1) When is Jihad geniune? 2) How is it implemented? Please explain with the necessary back-up (Quran and Sunnah) and not a so called xabashi shiekh!

^^weak saxib weak. I'm siding with the ICU because i hate your clan is your argument. If only you knew my extended family ps the 'why are Somalilanders talking of ethios etc when they got help from them' argument will prove to be a redundent one and you know that

Why don't I tell you then what the minister did. 1. He asked that the meeting not reach any conclusions and that time be given, intelligence agencies be available for questioning..etc. 2. After all this he still was not sure if he can make up his mind and reach a conclusion 3. He went to see a highly regarded scholar, an Immam, a few shieks he knew and trusted. 4. The conclusion he reached was that this group in Mugadishu that has called Jihad is not genuine and I shall not join them. Do you seriously expect me to buy that? I asked for your evidence that this is not a jihad and this is all you can come up with? A shiekh said and he said that and bingo this aint jihad. Simple way of thinking.

ps quoting a few so called shiekhs here and there does not prove anything!

We ethiopians are convinced, beyond any shadow of doubt that the Aweye/IndaCadde called Jihad is not legitimate. We are also sure that these peasons that called the Jihad and declared to march on Addis Ababa are not eligible to call Jihad (non-emergency). None of the process or procedure of calling Jihad was followed by the imposters in Mugadishu. I have challenged you many times to prove your above ascertians. You have failed.

Dukow, when you say there is no Jihad i expect some evidence not your word. Why do you think its not jihad when gaalo are bombing your brothers? ps are TFG supporters anti-Islamic for supporting a gaal to retake land through killing Muslims? lets have a debate here please

SF, you are running away from question posed to you which you cant answer. Give and go back to a xabashi forum!

You obviously dont understand what i asked of you in other threads.

We're not re-inventing the wheel here. There's established legal framework governing independent nation's right to self-defense. Ethiopia seems to be acting outside of established conventions. Socodow, the guy is blind to the facts. He tries to use 'policitcal processes' and quotes from so called shiekhs to defend Ethiopia's actions but is not inclined to consider your above statement as a counter argument against Ethiopian aggression.

I'm still waiting for you to answer and present your findings to my earlier questions. Therefore, before we continue any further please present your findings otherwise i will take it as you not being able to back-up your statements and disregard having any future discourse with you.

Elias Redman is vice president so he is not the Grand Mufti. I know that, i was refering to the organisation you have in xabash land (Supreme Islamic Council) which you some how think is wrong to have in Somalia. I think i have cleared that up for you. The rest of your post is just garbage! Flip flopping around my earlier questions shows your inability to: a) Understand the same quotes you have been posting all over this forum from so called shiekhs who live in a non-muslim country who seem to think the ICU's jihad call was wrong b) Offer anything in the way of support for your argument apart from the 'Aweys is a bad man' line. You are but a confused xabashi!

Ya xabashi, you said this: I have shown in at least 3 threads why the ICU call to Jihad on Negash was wrong. I have shown what clerics, teachers, shieks, followers and moslem politicians had to go through according to the proper process, validation and procedure of Jihad. I'm waiting for your evidence for the above. a) Show me how ICU's call was wrong b) Show me your 'proper process' of sheikh, politician etc for the above with tangible evidence. Dont avoid answering my questions. You ask: 2. A moslem member of ethiopian federal parliament. You have been informed your fellow moslem in Mugadishu (if it matters to you, but it shouldn't)has called for Jihad, holy war or any name, but Jihad. You are asked to support a resolution against him, presented by a cabinet of a secular government. what would you do. What ethiopian parliamentarians did is public information including the postponement by a week. As a Muslim i would follow what is stipulated in Islam but that would be impossible as its not a Muslim country i'm representing. But i would ask myself the following questions: Why is the ICU calling a jahid on me? Is it because i have been interfering in his affairs? Is it because i have been financing warlords that have kept the country in chaos for 16 years? Is it because i back a warlord government? Is it because i enjoy the chaos in Somalia? Now, as i represent a non-Muslim country in all of the above anti-Islamic ways of my government (Ethiopia) do i (as a Muslim) have a right to say to Somalia (a Muslim country) that it's Jihad call against the country i represent (Ethiopia) is wrong? You see SF, the same shiekhs you are quoting are WRONG!

SF says: I am not that important. BTW this picture and the editorial was written months ago as soon as the supreme leader (Grand Ayatollah -shiia version)was announced with so much fanfare. He also quotes this man in other threads: Elias Redman, vice president of the Ethiopian Islamic Affairs Supreme Council (EIASC) Therefore, isnt the president of the Ethiopian Islamic Affairs Supreme Council not the supreme Islamic leader (Grand Mufti) in Ethiopia? Now, from that I gather that Ethiopia can have a supreme council and Somalia cant. Is thats what your saying SF? There can be a supreme leader in Ethiopia but not one in Somalia or are you getting your wires crossed (again)? Ps supreme Islamic leaders in countries are know as Grand Muftis. Its perfectly permissible or didn’t your ‘shiekhs’ tell you that?

^^Dont you mean the Ethios are advancing?

^^Enlighten me. All i have seen are quotes from so called shiekhs! Let me break it down for you so you can save us from the sheikh quotes. "If for nothing else, ICU should be punished for making Islam as mcdonalds and cocacola comercial with actors fashioned in arab and pakistani garb. We did not become moslems and kept being moslems through the millenia by allowing imposters and fly by night "Mahdis" to play with our religion" A shiek from Afar state, Ethiopia The ‘shiekh’ doesn’t go into how the ICU have made Islam like McDonalds or Coke for wanting the Xabashi army out of Somalia. Now go back to your ‘shiekh’ and ask him about kafir armies occupying Muslim lands and if he supports it. What does he mean by fly by night mehdis? Is he saying is a better muslim? "Here, we were Muslims before the Mecca people, before the Medina people," he said. "We have the original books, and we are sharing the original Islam. They cannot tell us what Islam is." Elias Redman, vice president of the Ethiopian Islamic Affairs Supreme Council (EIASC) A brief history of this Elias Redman (what a name by the way). “Meles will soon begin to make claims of "Muslim fanatics" or "Jihadists" within Ethiopia's Muslim populace to scare all Ethiopians. He will also take advantage of the intolerant elements within the country to create a climate of suspicion and hostility between the the two religious communities”. AFP just ran a story in which Elias Redman, vice president of the Ethiopian Islamic Affairs Supreme Council (EIASC) is quoted as saying: Meles and EPRDF are ridiculously predictable. Elias Redman-by the way-was a member of the commission set up to investigate the post elections violence that occurred in 2005. Ethiopian Muslims (especially those overseas) were horrified when Associated Press quoted him with regard to the 193 unarmed civilians killed in Addis Ababa by the security forces: "I consider the motives of the protesters was to overthrow the government. I therefore fully support the action taken by the police." Elias has shown himself repeatedly to be a staunch EPRDF supporter and spokesman much like the infamous Bereket Simon, and any opinions he expresses should be seen in that light. read this "Deeply down in that criminal showbiz were also some side kickers, and floor dancers, Sheikh Aweys, an army colonel in the Al-Itihad destroyed late Somali Army, and his top lieutenants in the current top leadership of the ICU, were part of it, were they willfully wanted, and sacrificially desired the dark destruction of Somali people, and their land from bottom to top!" Radio Jijiga editorial Al-Ithad to make us good moslems- stranger than fiction Anyone can say things but its better when they make sense don you think?

Typical xabashi, run when the going gets tough. I hope this is repeated on the battlefield.

There are conflicting reports.

Originally posted by Somali_Friend: quote:Originally posted by Northerner: SF, ya xabashi, are your shiekhs 'holier' than the ICU memebers? Northerner, I think you know better than that, unless you are too angry to violate some basic decency. Its only the imposters of Mugadishu that claim and say things thats against the Religion. Lets leave whats in Allah's(SWT) domain to Allah(SWT). Somalia and ethiopia are both constructs of man, man made. Lets not mix things irresponsibly like the merchants of death and destruction in Mugadishu, who go by the name of ICU and are lead by "supreme islamic leader". Its only the imposters of Mugadishu that claim and say things thats against the Religion. Please give an example of what they have said that goes against Islam. Like i said before, you need to start backing up your statements. Lets not mix things irresponsibly like the merchants of death and destruction in Mugadishu, who go by the name of ICU and are lead by "supreme islamic leader". Are you not the one making statements without any back-up? Are you not the one saying the ICU are against what Islam preaches? Back it up ya xabashi! ps what have the ICU done wrong (islamically)? just wondering if you actually 'know' what your talking about or if you think quotes from so called shiekhs answer this. dont hide now

^^SF still thinks this is self defense. He keeps on quoting so called shiekhs when he doesnt even understand what they are saying or meaning. SF, ya xabashi, are your shiekhs 'holier' than the ICU memebers? I can quote the quran and sunnah if you want me to.

Ya Xabashi aka Somali 'Freind', i'm still waiting for your reply to my earlier post. You have been given an easy ride on this forum. Not anymore. So please answer my q's.

Like i said before (and on many times before) when the fire is douced and damage repaired (will take a while) then we may just have something to talk about. For now, lets rid Somalia of the xabash!

I (SL people) only wish i could help in putting out the fire with you. But due to circumstances out of my control my room is locked. I wish i had the key otherwise i would help. The landlord (Zenawi) has told the estate agent (Riyalle) to leave you be otherwise my room would burn aswell.

Originally posted by peacenow: We are the laughing stock of the world, a byword for failure and humulation. Now what are you do. Are you going to worry about the Somali orphan going to bed tonight without food, or so some fat hairy arab? The choice is yours. Now what is the way to help this orphan, is it modernity, trading with the world or going back to the 7th century life. You need to look at problems today with how they will present in the future. Instead of looking at, oh look at how those ethiopians are in somalia. Short term thinking is a Somali disease [/QB] I really did not understand what you are getting at. What are you talking about? First sort your own house in order. Allah has helped them because they helped themselves. Now how about you? OK. Good point but how do you propose it could be done? Give me something to chew on. Now what are you do. Are you going to worry about the Somali orphan going to bed tonight without food, or so some fat hairy arab? The choice is yours. Again i have no idea what your getting at. The orphan and the fat hairy arab have no connection in this thread. How are they connected to what i posted earlier? Now what is the way to help this orphan, is it modernity, trading with the world or going back to the 7th century life. Your lack of intellect is evident. You think if Sheria law is imposed in Somalia, Somalis will not be able to trade and become a prosporous country. Go and read something. You need to look at problems today with how they will present in the future. Instead of looking at, oh look at how those ethiopians are in somalia. Short term thinking is a Somali disease You say look at todays problems, then you say short term thinking is a disease. I give up! Me, when a room in house is on fire the priority to douce the fire then repairing the damage (today). When this is done you can open the doors to the rooms and talk to your room mates.

^^I see, when in need of a coherent post use the 'you are arabised' excuse even though you offer nothing in support of your stnace. What is your stance anyway (apart from i blame everything on arabs)?

^^I bet you will blame the ICU though wont ya?