Originally posted by Cali_Gaab: Cowke, dhiig kar ayaa kugu dhacay miyaa? How can a mere 'opposition party leader' and his 'foreign minister' from an unrecognized country have a meeting with Donald Payne, the same man you held in the upmost regard when meeting with your 'president' . Bet your approval rating of Donald Payne has drastically fallen, Friday the 13th has come early for you Maad naga daysid saxib. He won't sleep for a week now

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Is Donald Payne black?

Please join me on this tour of UK universities and communities. Lectures include the existence of God, responding to new atheism, demystifying and explaining Islam and much more. The seven big debates include topics related to religion, morality, Islam and God. Open Discussion - Newcastle 26/01/2010 Debate "Does God Exist?" - Sussex University 27/01/2010 Open Panel Discussion - University College London (UCL) 28/01/2010 Debate "God - Delusion or Truth?" - QM University 29/01/2010 "Why I Converted to Islam?" - QM University 01/02/2010 Debate "Does God Exist & Can We Live Better Lives Without Him?" - UCL 04/02/2010 "If God is Good why is there so much Evil in the World?" - Kings College 05/02/2010 "Does God Exist?" - University of Essex 06/02/2010, 9am - 5pm. Ivor Crewe Hall, Wivenhoe Park, CO4 3SQ, Colchester. "Can We Live Better Lives Without Religion?" - QM University (Medics) 08/02/2010 "Why Islam?" - Bristol University 09/02/2010 Debate "Does God Exist?" - Warwick University 10/02/2010 "Is God a Delusion?" - Lancaster University 11/02/2010 "The Miracle of the Qur'an" - London School of Economics (LSE) 12/02/2010 "Does God Exist?" - University of Sheffield 15/02/2010 Debate "Islamic Law: Barbaric or Misunderstood?" - Bradford University 17/02/2010 "Does God Exist? The Muslim Reponse to Neo-Atheism" - Bath University 18/02/2010, 6:30pm - 8:30pm. Room 8W1.1 "Why I Became a Muslim?" - Brunel University 19/02/2010 "Why Islam?" - University of Kent 22/02/2010 "Does God Exist & Can We Live Better Lives Without Religion?" - University of Birmingham 23/02/2010 "Does God Exist?" - St. Georges University 25/02/2010, 6:30pm - 8:30pm. Michael Heron Lecture Theatre. Debate "Does God Exist?" - Sussex University 27/02/2010 "Does God Exist?" - Loughborough U niversity 01/03/2010 Debate "Is God a Delusion?" - Kingston University 04/03/2010, 5:30pm - 7:45pm. Clattern Lecture Hall, Penrhyn Road, Surrey KT1 2EE. Open Questions - Cardiff University 04/03/2010 "Why Islam?" - Southampton University 11/03/2010 More

Sheh, is it far? I.e more than 4 hrs away?

^They probably have a party every week. Cake iyo xalwa consumed as usual.

^Is she OK? Sheh, weyn ruux?? My ankle is alot better. Still waiting on the appointment. Afternoon all. McDonald's for lunch

NB, they are a bunch of attention seekers who I don't agree with but the govnt isn't being fair here. In fact they have reconised most people including most Muslims don't agree with them hence the talk of a ban. This group is less of a danger than the BNP and EDL who are allowed to protest and have not been cautioned with a ban yet. A level playing field for all I say.

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1. Malcom X 2. Do the right thing 3. He got game (I got game, who got game, wheres the game? and life behind the game - Public Enemy)

And as for brother North, Geeljire and everyone else, if I may ask of you to not engage in personalities, instead engage the subject, Burka in full swing. North, your previous arguments were unsatisfactory, thats why I went to the Guru, Sheikh Nur to directly engage him but he promised to address it in good time and I told him to take his time. You can dig up the brief exchange in the Islamic Section. As for the subject, I would love nothing more than to simplify the debate for everyone. LayZieG says: Burka is not obligatory, therefore its irrelevant and should not be forced in women's throat. In addition, Burka is a middle east phenomena and therefore it should be dismissed, unless the few women who wear it feel that they need to continue supporting the material as a way of life, an attire that identifies the woman within the confinement of her society, other than that, total ban should be called on the attire. Furthermore, LayZieG feels that dressing modestly is necessity, and every Muslim women should dress according to the Sunna, as suggested of men as well. The onus is on you folks. Failure to agree with the above position will automatically result in the person showing Qur'anic verses that will support one's position against banishment on the bases that the attire is in fact a religious obligation, one that all Muslim women must adhere to. Otherwise, please refrain from commenting. North, the ball is in your court. You have a third or was it fourth chance? dazzle, will ya? I’ll keep this simple. 1. My previous argument was on point hence you scurrying for cover (don’t let me find that thread). 2. Women who wear the niqaab believe it is obligatory. Many scholars have differed on it for many years. Do try and furnish us with some of the scholars whose opinions will back up your stance (that’s if you really do want to debate the subject from an Islamic perspective). 3. Women who wear the niqaab especially in the west CHOOSE to wear it. You haven't used any research to suggest otherwise. You seem to believe that repeating the same lines will win you arguments. In the previous thread someone posted articles from Niqaab wearing intelligent women which you brushed aside (don’t let me search for the thread). 4. Those women who wear the niqaab believe they are carrying out a religious obligation. Now, the question is not if the niqaab is required or not. The question is what is religious freedom? At least try to understand what the debate is about first. Cicero, Opinions opinions

Originally posted by Johnny B: ^Championing the core principles of freedoms is one thing,defending that demeaning Tent as an act of freedom-expression is like defending suicide as an act of freedom-expression, it simply defeats the purpose. Muslim women DO the Burka thing (in the belief of satisfying their God ), despite Islam not 'officially' demanding it or distancing it. period. Now,don't you dare start all over again and go " Aren't they are free to shoose so ?" , cause then, the risk of me believing that you're actually an Alien will be overhanging. Tut, tut. Such a defeatist post Johnny boy There is only one FACT here and that is, wait for it, women are FREE to choose what they wear. Because she CHOOSES to wear something you’re not in agreement with doesn’t negate the fact that she is FREE to do so. A bitter pill to swallow I know hence the lesson by a leaver of the faith on what is, according to him, not prescribed in Islam. Give me a break mate.

Scareface, since the Pool are out of it (Ngonge is still adament we can win it my April ) I'm rooting for City.

Man City squad vs Blackburn Monday 11th Jan 2010 01 Given 02 Richards 05 Zabaleta yellow card 15 Garrido 33 Kompany 17 Petrov (Boyata 87) 18 Barry 34 De Jong 27 Mwaruwari (Santa Cruz 81) 32 Tevez 39 Bellamy (Robinho 69) Substitutes 12 Taylor, 16 Sylvinho, 44 Boyata, 08 Wright-Phillips, 10 Robinho, 14 Santa Cruz, 48 Ibrahim Well done :cool: City for the Prem!

The SOL rules should be dispensed with. It should state banning anyone is at the discretion of the Admin only. Clearly that is what has been happening.

Originally posted by *Ibtisam: JUXa’s phone will be ringing off the hook with old ladies and men saying waan dacey. Afternoon Weather forecasters can get it wrong. Michael Fish was the worst.

^Really? I think Juxa's firm will have a field day this 1st quarter with people suing councils left right and centre for falls on untreated pavements and roads. Afternoon

So let me get this right. In one breath you’re championing the ‘core principles of freedom of conscience and religion’ and in another you’re educating Muslims on the practice of their faith whilst at the same time mocking it. On top that you’re adamant Muslim women who wear the Burka are ill educated without any basis and you’re doing all this as a leaver of the faith (correct me if I’m wrong there). How do you suggest we ‘faith-heads’ take you’re OPINION (ill informed at that) seriously?

Egyptians are clinical! The other African teams miss too many good chances and don't the composure. Egypt get 3 chances and score all three :rolleyes:

The fact that some muslim women - mostly ill-educated- in the West freely choose to wear the Burka Thank you for that FACT. Everything else is your opinion

^Are you admitting living in Italy is like living in jail?

DP

Originally posted by General Duke: Sorry adeer, I rather take the words of learned western scholars to a self hating Somali. True

I have been to Italy and the blatant racism is there for all to see which is why I'm not surprised here. Peacenow, do you say 'Yes Sir/Maam' 'Right away Sir/Maam' etc when replying to your masters erm erm I mean your Italian friends?