Bloomberg: Ethiopia to sign peace treaty with Somali rebels

[Haatu]

How can the people of that region trust the Ethiopians? Weren't they not betrayed once already? I wouldn't mind peace but the people chose to fight and we should support them in that.

[Polanyi]

Originally posted by Haatu:

How can the people of that region trust the Ethiopians? Weren't they not betrayed once already? I wouldn't mind peace but the people chose to fight and we should support them in that.

But, isn't the admin the Somali region a legitimate Islamic regime which should be obeyed?

[Haatu]

^ Family interests badow yahow

 

Just kiddin. No. It's not a legitimate Islamic regime as the leader is Meles Zenawi, a Christian. But whether or not this resistance is allowed, allahu aclam.

[Polanyi]

Aside from minor discrepancies, fair enough.

[Haatu]

^ Just following millatu Ibraahiim sxb

[Kamaavi]

Xafladii Saxiixa Heshiiskii Ururka UWSLF iyo Dowlada Itoobiya oo Maanta si rasmi ah qalinka loogu duugay

 

 

Waxaa maanta saacaddu markey ahayd 11:30 aroornino ee geeska Afrika qalinka lagu duugey heshiiskii u dhaxeeyey dawladda Ethiopia iyo ururka UWSLF kaasoo muddooyinkii danbe la sugayay. Heshiiskan oo maanta lagu saxiixey shir caalami ah oo ay kasoo qaybgaleen safaaradaha kusugan waddanka Ingiriiska, hay�adaha aan dawliga ahayn ee ka hawlgala waddanka Ethiopia, masuuliyiinta ugu sareysa dalkan Ethiopia, Madaxda ururka UWSLF, Madaxda Dawlad deegaanka Soomaalida iyo Aqoonyahano iyo Qurbajoog ka yimid daafaha adduunka ayaa maanta ku dhamaadey sidii la qorsheeyey. Waxaa sidoo kale goob joog ka ahaa kulankan saxaafadda caalamka iyo midda Dawlad Deegaanka Soomaalida iyo waliba saxaafadda xorta ah ee ay maamulaan qurba joogta u dhashey deegaanka uguna horeyso warbaahinta Dhanaan.com Xaajo.com,Soomaaligalbeed.com iyo Shabkadda Caanka ah ee Somalimirror.com

 

Madashii maanta lagu saxiixey heshiiskan waxaa khudbado dhaadheer oo meelo badan taabtey ka jeediyey wasiiro ka tirsan dawladda Federaalka Ethiopia, Guddoomiyaha ururka UWSLF iyo Madaxweynaha DDS. Xafladdan oo ku baxeysey luuqado badan oo isugu jirey Ingiriis, Soomaali iyo Axmaari ayaa dhamaan dadkii joogey ay u fahmeen nuxurka shirka iyo heshiiska.

Waxaa kale goobtan joogey kana soo qaybgalay wafti kasocotey maamul goboleedka Puntland oo wakiil uga ahaa maamulkooda. Kadib markii uu dhacay heshiiska qalinkana lagu duugey ayaa waxaa goobtii shirka is qabsadey Sawaxan iyo codheer oo ahaa �Allaahu Akbar� iyo sacab ka imaanayay wufuuddii kala gaddisneyd ee goobta joogtey.

 

Waxaa saacad kadib oo ku aaddan 2:pm galabta loo ballansanyahay in saxaafadda lasiiyo press release kaasoo su aalo badan lagu weydiin doono labada dhinacba.

 

qoraalada iyo warbixinada Shirkaa ku saabsan dib ayaan Ilaahay Idankii idinka soo tabin doonaa

[Abtigiis]

LST,

There is no concessions from Meles apart from release of some prisnors (some of whom were not even UWSLF members).

 

This is not a new agreement. It is the formalisation of the UWSLF surrender which happened some months ago.

 

Wuxuu soo kordhinayaa ma jiro except propaganda like the one this thread is already serving up.

[NASSIR]

Originally posted by Haatu:

How can the people of that region trust the Ethiopians? Weren't they not betrayed once already? I wouldn't mind peace but the people chose to fight and we should support them in that.

There's a huge support for Sheikh Ibraahim Dheere's approach to seeking a comprehensive political solution through a non-violent means and it is having already a lot of positive impact. It's undeniable.

[xiinfaniin]

Originally posted by Abtigiis & Tusbax:

LST,

There is no concessions from Meles apart from release of some prisnors (some of whom were not even UWSLF members).

 

This is not a new agreement. It is the formalisation of the UWSLF surrender which happened some months ago.

 

Wuxuu soo kordhinayaa ma jiro except propaganda like the one this thread is already serving up.

Why would Ethiopia formalize a 'surrender' of fifty men ya A&T?

[The Zack]

^ propaganda. It is an attempt to confuse both the local and the international communities but it will not work.

[Kamaavi]

Originally posted by xiinfaniin:

quote:Originally posted by Abtigiis & Tusbax:

LST,

There is no concessions from Meles apart from release of some prisnors (some of whom were not even UWSLF members).

 

This is not a new agreement. It is the formalisation of the UWSLF surrender which happened some months ago.

 

Wuxuu soo kordhinayaa ma jiro except propaganda like the one this thread is already serving up.

Why would Ethiopia formalize a 'surrender' of fifty men ya A&T?

The fifty men are already on board. But why this event is organized is to put a lipstick to their ugly surrender.

 

 

One more pretender organization is eliminated from the real freedom-fighters' field.

[Kamaavi]

The Itihad on the termination of the state of insurgence ....

[Faafan]

Cynical and aimed at misleading the International Community but really who will buy this cheap propoganda?

 

The so-called UWSLF is a spine-less organisation that cannot make much difference in the region.

 

If Ethiopia is serious about peace why can they not accept the simple terms the ONLF has put forward in regards to a lasting peace process?Clearly they are not serious and continue to believe they can defeat the ONLF through Militaristic policies and Misleading Photo-shoots like this one.

 

Its a One-party state that wants absolute control, the sweet-taste of power means they will deny democratic law to prevail or opposition.Its grip on the O'gaden also means it can continue its designs for Somalia.There are huge geopolitical issues at stake so Ethiopia will go the long haul.But can it hang on or will common-sense prevail? Time will tell.

[Cowke]

Interesting but that agreement the UWSLF signed with ethiopia states that says that article 39 in ethiopian constitution allows for seccession of any region in ethiopia. However after reading the ethiopia constitution and article 39 it also says

 

Article 39 The Right of Nations, Nationalities and Peoples

 

1. Every nation, nationality or people in Ethiopia shall have the unrestricted right to self determination up to secession.

 

2. Every nation, nationality and people shall have the right to speak, write and develop its language and to promote its culture, help it grow and flourish, and preserve its historical heritage.

 

3. Every nation, nationality or people in Ethiopia shall have the unrestricted right to administer itself; and this shall include the right to establish government institutions within the territory it inhabits and the right to fair representation in the federal and state governments.

 

4. The right to self determination up to secession of nation, nationality and peoples may be exercised:-

 

(a) where the demand for secession is approved by a two thirds (2/3rds) majority of the legislature of the nation, nationality or people concerned.

 

(b) where the Federal Government within three years upon receipt of the decision of the legislature of the nation, nationality or people demanding secession, organises a referendum for the nation, nationality or people demanding secession.

 

© where the demand for secession is supported by a simple majority vote in the referendum.

 

(d) where the Federal Government transfers power to the parliament of the nation, nationality or people which has opted for secession.

Now firstly what I want verified is this section

 

where the demand for secession is approved by a two thirds (2/3rds) majority of the legislature of the nation, nationality or people concerned

What legislature do they mean? do they mean that they must secure 2/3 a 60% majority in the somali regional state legislature? or in the Federal legislature at addis ababa?

 

Also need verification on this section

 

where the Federal Government within three years upon receipt of the decision of the legislature of the nation, nationality or people demanding secession, organises a referendum for the nation, nationality or people demanding secession.

© where the demand for secession is supported by a simple majority vote in the referendum.

Do they mean a referendum must be held through-out all ethiopia? or do they mean a referendum within the somali-regional state?

 

My analysis on this would be if they need 2/3 majority in the ethiopian federal legislature and also majority vote in a ethiopia-wide referendum then the seccessionism stands no chance for the onlf guys.

 

However if they mean they that they need 2/3 majority in the somali regional legislature and majority vote in the somali regional state then yes they will get it.

 

However i am leaning towards thinking they mean you need 2/3 or 60% majority in the federal legislature in addis ababa and a majority vote in ethiopia wide referendum.

 

Thats just never going to happen. Getting 60% would require habashi parties would not just let it go when they see oil and gas in the onlf state.

 

Anyways if anyone can verifies this constitutional article it would be good.

 

Because when it says nation/people/nationality in ethiopia federalism context the somali regional state is viewed as nationality and people and thus a nation. But it can also mean ethiopia as a whole nation it's not very clear. Judging from history when eritrea separated they held a referendum inside eritrea however the 2/3 legislature was held in addis ababa legislature.

 

However that was different time because eritrea wasn't regional state nor did it have legislature and so forth. Today is different story in ethiopia where every region has parliament/legislature and is viewed in their own right as nation according to the ethiopia constitution

[Cowke]

Anyways here some pics of the historic signing.