“Laas-Caanood hadaynaan tagin waxay noqonaysaa God laynaga Dilo

[Sophist]

"NN stop insulting the people in Woqooyi Galbeed and people in Burco and Las Caanod have much more in common than with you"

 

Like the people of Burco and LasAnod have more in common than Hargeisa people right?

[Abu-Salman]

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[Abu-Salman]

Unfortunately, we all too readily associate clans or localities with a particular ideology.

 

Everyone is supposed to know that outright secessionism is opposed by a sizeable portion of each and every clan although many may have given a different impression as a way of pressuring our Southern brothers towards major compromises.

 

For instance, although our family was heavily involved with the SNM struggle at their own peril, I've never ever contemplated a definitive secession of "Somaliland" for obvious reasons.

 

In fact, many of the SNM's founders were pious Somalis who wanted to implement Shariah througut Somalia and many others simply wanted to overthrow Syad in favour of a more liberal and capitalist regime, more attractive to Western educated "elites" or the influent Businessmen who funded the organization from every corner of the country.

 

Having failed to cooperate with the SSDF and deserted by the founders of the USC, the SNM progressively took, albeit unwillingly, a clanish dimension (clanic rethoric also helped to mobiluize the masses).

 

Naturally, the hasty unilateral declaration of a new dubious "governement" by Ali Mahdi enraged the grieving masses who lost everything in the atrocities campaigns.

 

Consequently, foot soldiers forced a reluctant leadership to declare the new "independence" during Burco's meeting in May 1991.

 

Naturally, the increasing chaos in the South combined with ruthless political opportunism further consolidated the support for secessionism.

 

At any rate, the new reality in Somalia has prompted a new paradigm shift and we can no longer decently use secessionism as a bargaining tool...

[RedSea]

Could have and Should have!

 

However,one must realize that just because one politician says it,doesnt' necessarily mean it will go into effect.Faisal Ali Warabe has no authority to declare war,therefore in order to be concern we would have to have Riyale Kahin state it..so calm down,nothing bad will happen Insha Allah.

 

Soo maal,note that there are two different Sharmarkes in this forum,maybe you have mixed them up.

 

Faisal Cali Waraabe iyo hadaladiisa waa layaaqaan,laakin waxaa iga yaabisay qaar idinka mida oo nacayd ka dhex muuqdo,idinkuun bal isjira.

[RedSea]

Originally posted by Djib-Somali:

 

 

Having failed to cooperate with the SSDF and deserted by the founders of the USC, the SNM progressively took, albeit unwillingly, a clanish dimension (clanic rethoric also helped to mobiluize the masses).

The SSDF didn't have much agenda to cooperate,political turmoil existed within it,the USC didn't have the slightest influence on SNM just so you know.

[Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar]

The SSDF didn't have much agenda to cooperate,political turmoil existed within it,the USC didn't have the slightest influence on SNM just so you know.

Little information for you. The later founders of USC did partcipate the creation of SNM and were initially full-fledged members of it. They may have had a little influence or not, but men such as Shabeel were part that organization, who later found their own group -- USC. That is what the article you quoted talks about.

[Sharif_seylaci]

Faysal cali waraabe is a great guy

or his read name faysal cali xusseyn

He is decented of the sultan of guleed sultan of all the tribes once that live in somaliland

 

soo there for he should lead us

[RedSea]

Originally posted by Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar:

quote:The SSDF didn't have much agenda to cooperate,political turmoil existed within it,the USC didn't have the slightest influence on SNM just so you know.

Little information for you. The later founders of USC did partcipate the creation of SNM and were initially full-fledged members of it. They may have had a little influence or not, but men such as Shabeel were part that organization, who later found their own group -- USC. That is what the article you quoted talks about.

true,however,the USC didnt' have much influence on SNM,it's rather other way around(SNM being the older movement).As for the SSDF,well,I think the SSDF should have cooperated better with the SNM.I read articles that talked about how the SSDF's leadership had many differences and suffered political turmoil within it,thus causing the SNM to do things in their own,to which I disagree that the SSDF presented good political and military strategy for the SNM to cooperate with.

[Taleexi]

Originally posted by Sharif_seylaci:

Faysal cali waraabe is a great guy

or his read name faysal cali xusseyn

He is decented of the sultan of guleed sultan of all the tribes once that live in somaliland

 

soo there for he should lead us

Waraabe proved himself time and again to be harmless, less-intelligent, visionless and forgetful. His rhetorics are futile and driven by emotions. Let it be remembered that Somali nation made him who he is, she educated, shaltered and guided him..guess what! he betrayed it... and now he and the likes have hijacked the cause of a major clan in the north. The irony to that is, he has a handful of audience but what I don't know is whether these people like his humor portions of his remarks (like the once of Jay Leo and Letterman), or are truely believers of him as if he will make the impossible mission reality. If the later is the case I think is the end of the civilization at least in that part of the country.

[Libaax-Sankataabte]

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PS: question mark = possibilities in the near future.

[General Duke]

Talk is cheap, the fantasies of a mad man should not bother anyone. Least of all the brave people of SSC...

[Liibaan]

Its clear that most nomads from woqooyi galbeed didn’t condemn faysal's hate speech, with the exception of good Djib-somali

 

Originally posted by Mr. Red Sea:

Faisal Cali Waraabe iyo hadaladiisa waa layaaqaan,laakin waxaa iga yaabisay qaar idinka mida oo nacayd ka dhex muuqdo,idinkuun bal isjira.

Red sea, inta aadan ka yabin nacaybka dadka kale "others" maxaad iskaga indha tiri nacaybka kuwiina idinka mid ah, idinku meydan isjirtaan!!!

 

Faysal hadaladiisa wa layaqaana is not exuse, express your opinnion, do you support yes or no?

 

Halkan dad reer woqooyi galbeed ah oo ugu duceenaya inuu burburiyo Laascaanood ayaa jooga!!!

 

 

Originally posted by Qudhac:

faysal increases in good by the day may alaah and potect against his enemies and will be president.

Your adeer, faysal waa daalim gaboobey, illaaheyne daalimiinta ha ciqaabo

 

Faysal is just a warlord, and all he knows is to insult other tribes, and call wars agianst

neighbor regoins like Sool

[Liibaan]

Dear Djib- somali

Originally posted by Djib-Somali:

Obviously, such indecent warmongering has very little support among mainstream society; he's merely trying to be in the limelight again.

Good news, faysal’s lack of support in Heergeysa and Burco will only strength the brotherhood between the people northwest and north central

 

Although, Dijib you are from northwest, you criticized Faysal’s call for a war against Laascaanood, that’s something encouraging, and positive

 

 

Originally posted by Djib-Somali:

The dream of war between Muslims brothers won't come true

Amiin Amiin May Allah bless Somalia and Somali people with peace and prosperity

 

 

Originally posted by Djib-Somali:

although many may have given a different impression as a way of pressuring our Southern brothers towards major compromises.

If people of northwest wish to pressure southern brothers, does people of north central have to pay the price? Can’t the people of north west pressure south without forcing people of north-central into Somaliland or “irrelevant colonial borders”?

 

And why pressure only southern brothers? Why not brothers from central, Eastern, north-eastern, north-central, or north-western regions?

 

Why discrimination? When we are all Somali people (the most homogenous people in world)

I hope you talking about here tribalism or irrelevant European colonies or borders that’s doesn’t concern Somali people of presently

 

Originally posted by Djib-Somali:

For instance, although our family was heavily involved with the SNM struggle at their own peril,

The problem of most Somali is “our family”, so how many families there in Somalia? You the problem is between these mysterious families !!!

 

The Somali conflict was never between non-existent south and non-existent north, or unreal north and unreal south

 

Although President Siyaad was from south, but at the same time there was a strong alliance between opposition tribal factions snm, ssdf, and usc

 

 

Originally posted by Djib-Somali:

Consequently, foot soldiers forced a reluctant leadership to declare the new "independence" during Burco's meeting in May 1991. ,

Only a one-clan faction (snm) declared secession,

 

Tuur later backed down from secession

 

Originally posted by Djib-Somali:

 

Naturally, the increasing chaos in the South combined with ruthless political opportunism further consolidated the support for secessionism.

You mean only in northwest region right

 

Originally posted by Djib-Somali:

 

At any rate, the new reality in Somalia has prompted a new paradigm shift and we can no longer decently use secessionism as a bargaining tool...

Secession is a failed policy like Iraq

 

Secession only isolated people of northwest from people from rest of Somali regions

 

 

Note: we only discussing issues, nothing personal

[Liibaan]

Red Sea

 

Originally posted by Mr. Red Sea:

However,one must realize that just because one politician says it,doesnt' necessarily mean it will go into effect.Faisal Ali Warabe has no authority to declare war,therefore in order to be concern we would have to have Riyale Kahin state it..so calm down,nothing bad will happen Insha Allah.

Insha Allah noting bad will happen

 

It will not benefit anyone to downplay faysal’s comment

 

Faysal is one of the three leaders of Somaliland’s regime, Faysal is like John Kerry in United States

 

Faysal’s comments should set off alarm bells even in streets of Hergeysa, because is war is not something anyone can enjoy

 

I will appreciate if you denounce faysal’s comments, and not join seylici and qudhac hate campaign

[SOO MAAL]

Originally posted by Mr. Red Sea:

 

Soo maal,note that there are two different Sharmarkes in this forum,maybe you have mixed them up.

 

Faisal Cali Waraabe iyo hadaladiisa waa layaaqaan,laakin waxaa iga yaabisay qaar idinka mida oo nacayd ka dhex muuqdo,idinkuun bal isjira.

Red Sea

 

I hope the there are two different sharmarks in this forum

 

Walaal, waxna yeenan kaa yaabin dadka naceyb ka wada waayo gobol kasta wala ga helayaa

 

mida kale

 

adinka haa iila hadlin

 

anagu is camp baanu nahay say anaga, haa ka yeelin faysal iyo wixii la mid ah inay na kala qeybiyaan insha allah

 

Anuu hada kuwan u duceenaya faysal lama yaabin waayo dhibaatada dalkeenii ka jirta ayeey ka tarjumayaan