Cilmi Bodheri --- Love or Lust??

[Faheema.]

Ma is tidhi, the thread has become a spot where Cilmi’s poems are recited…

Laakiin, horta ma fahmaysaa idhe kalmadaha uu tiriyey? :confused: Those of you who know the meaning please enlighten us, it would help us (at least me) to get a clear idea of his situation at the time. Take is paragraph for instance…

 

Inta uu hadhuudhlaha kudaray ama hed soo gooyey

hal-hal tirada waan lagu heleyn an-iyo Haabiile

Anigana haduu igu shakalay hadimadiisiiye

Imikuu u hees yidhi gab'dhaa taan hanteen rabaye

Aniguna hensii kaama lumin u halgankiisiiye

Sounds foreign to me :confused: :confused: Bikoos afsoomaligaygu waa isku dex'jir, it consist of, wax new ah, wax la soo amaaneystay iyo wax aan jirin

[Hebel]

Those poems are all about Booty-dance you should get permission from yar parents and finish yar milk first, before we enlighten you with lust and lots booty issues

[Faheema.]

Hebel

Thank you for your contribution :rolleyes: , but these days age has nothing to do with how knowledgeable one is when it comes to Somali Literature.

[pearl]

thought i share one of my favorite poem by cilmi bodheri with u'll

 

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A Vain Love

 

By: cilmi bodheri

 

 

when the camels come back thirsty

from many nights of grazing in the hawd,

they are brought to a halt just short of the well

while a youth sings, trying to keep them calm.

but they want to press forward, for already they hear the "hoobay! hoobay!" of the watering-chant.

 

i am like that when i hear you say "hodan"!

her name seems to you so simple

but to me it brings grief and woe.

i shall never give her up,

not till the day they tread earth into her grave.

 

rapt in a deceitful trance

i thought i was sleeping by her side,

but it was a jinn, not she herself,

a jinn made in the image of her sister.

i tried to catch her by the hand

but the place by my side was empty

i found i was striving in vain

for there was on one there.

i tossed from side to side, then suddenly awoke

i rumpled by bed like a prowling lion,

i attacked the bedclothes and pounded them,

as if it were they that had caused my loss.

 

like a hero against whom men have combined

i covered my face, all but my defiant eyes.

i was humbled, like a boy who could not save from robbers, the herd entrusted to his care.

i felt disgraced, as a woman does

when the words "i divorce you" are said to her.

 

it is degrading to yearn for what you cannot have.

alas, alas, what a disaster has befallen me!

[Baashi]

Many thanks pearl_shyte for posting English translation of Cilmi's poems.

[Beerlula]

Definately love!!!

[Starlight]

I love this piece and how he describes her beauty

 

Sida hogol kaliishii da'doo milicdu ay hayso

Ama lebiga Hawdoo gugii ubaxu heeryeeyey

Oo haadku dhaafoo shimbiro cimilo goor heesa

Aadmigu ma hilayee dhakhsuu ugu hiloobaaye

ANNA XIISAHAAN KUU HAYAA KABA HANNAAN DHEERE

 

Ninba tuu ka helay buu gabdhaha Hodan ku sheegaaye

Oon heer-kastay qurux katahay hawlin taa kale e

Anna dookhu adiguu huwadey kuna hareer yaale

Qaar buu gabdhaa hilibku iyo hugu cusleeyaaye

Adna inaanad haabkaa ahayn hubiyey dhawr-jeere

 

Naasahan sidii hooto waran hore u soo taagan

Dibnahaagan hiifkaba aqoon hadal san mooyaane

Gudub halacsi daymada indhahan hibada loo siiyey

Qosol hanaqa soo taabayoo caashaq hurinaaya

Ilko aan hoggoodii ka lumin kalana hoosaynin

 

Sankaagaa hanaankiyo qorshaa hadiyed loo siiyey

Dhabannada hareeraha wejiga halalac nuuraaya

Suuniyaha haabkoodan wacan hadal dhamayn waaye

Luquntii habkii geri lahaa halal wax dhaafsiisay

Timo hoos garbaha uga degoo sinaha haab-haabtay

Heega iyo laafyaha gamcahan hibada loo siiyey

Dhexdan aan hareeraha u fidin horena soo taagmin

Hannaan quruxsan waataa luguu ka haqab beeleen

 

 

Ma samaynin waayahan tixdii saaniga ahayde

2. Waataan ka saahiday tan iyo sebenkii dayreede

3. Xaluun ba saqdii dhexe hurdada wax i salaameene

4. Aan sifeeyo inantii tiriig saxan la moodaayay

 

5. Ilkaa sadaf la moodiyo wajiga lagu saruureeyey

6. Timaha basari baan subkine saaran garabkeeda

7. Sanka iyo indhaha iyo afka sida sabiibeed ah

8. Suniyaal madoobey qalbigu saakin kaa noqoye

9. Soomaali, Carab iyo Hindiga sooyo laga keenay

10. Inta sabada joogtiyo khalqiga waad u sidataaye

11. Soo soco sidciyo qaaliyey saanad baad tahaye

 

 

I dont know about you i think he was deeply in love i wish someone wrote me a poem like this or the others he wrote for her.

[Warmoog]

Love or lust? Well, I think the story of Cilmi Boodhari and Hodan is kind of complex and I find it difficult to classify it as this or that without taking various factors into account. Of those two options, I'm leaning towards love (and even that is arguable) but I don't believe his tragic life was motivated by lust. His poetry evokes the feelings of a man who was wallowing in a deeply troubled state. So we have to keep in mind that he suffered considerably, both emotionally and physically (lack of sleep and bad eating habits over a long period of time), even though his suffering was largely self-induced. People don't normally put themselves through so much pain and hardship for lust. As well, his affection for her was apparently long-term. And I could be wrong but I'm assuming lust is a short-term thing, which is rather fleeting when compared to genuine or even endless love. So in my view, lust had little (if anything) to do with it. It was "love". That his affection was not reciprocated doesn't make it any less real, but love of what nature is what I'm wondering.

 

Salaamz.

[Som@li]

i guess Celmi Bodhari was talented man ,as can be seen in his literature which is still alive, i think it was love,,not lust which is more physical intimate.

 

bodhari died of love which is hard to comprehend for many of us,,"deep obsession with Hodon"...we could only psychoanalyze him if we had a genuine domumented story of his life.

 

Any way, upto today thousands visit his burriel site at Berbara for admiration , and to pay their tribute to this great unfortunate legend.

 

one of my all time fav poem by him

Sidii geel horwayno wax badan hawdka miranaayey

Oo haro la soo joojiyo kuraygu heegaayo

Oo hoobay loo qaaday iyo hadal walwaaleedka

Kolkaad Hodan tidhaahdaanba waan soo hinqanayaaye

Haday hawlyaraan idin latahay aniga way hooge

Ayadoon xabaal lagu hamsiin waanaan ka hadhayne

Hammada beenah marbaan is idha waad la hurudaaye

Jin uun bay haddoodilay miday habar wadaageene

Hareertayda madhan baan is idhi haadso gacanteeda

Kolki aan hubsaday meel cidla ah inaan ku hawshooday

(Ruqruqaansigaygii) dambaan soo hambaabiraye

U haylhaylay gogoshii sidii halablihii aare

Siday iga haleeyeen maryihii hiifay oo tumaye

U hagoogtay sidii geesi ay niman ka hiisheene

U hiloobay sidii wiil la dhacay kadin ay haysteene

U hiqleeyey sidii naag layidhi huray dalaaqdaaye

Wax aanad haynin oo haabsataa habartii weeyaane

Hoheey iyo hoheey maxaa hadimo lay gaystay

 

wasalaam

[rudy-Diiriye]

did this homie ever got that xaliimo! or did he tanked! i mean, how come he never hit a home run!! ou ee la problemo!!

[Warmoog]

lol @ rudy,

It's wasn't a happy ending that's for sure. You never heard of how he ended up? Let's just say he suffered a lot and died very unhappy. People say he died of love or heart-break, but in reality I think his body just wore out cause he was starving himself.

 

As far as why he never "scored", well her parents got in the way. He asked them for her hand in marriage... and they refused! Cause he was a baker and they thought he was too poor for their standards (I guess they were kinda well-off). Instead, they married her to some guy who worked for the British colonialists (they lived in Burco).

 

Salaamz.

[Dhagax-Tuur]

Assl All Wr Wb

 

Cilmi's love was definitely a true love. And the evidence is in his poetry, specifically this one: (dont remember it all)

 

The scenario goes that his people (tribe etc) gathered a selection of beautiful women, just to make him forget Hodan, instead Cilmi's response was:

 

 

.....(only remember the last few)

...Qosolkaa yar yari waa waxaad nagu qaldaysaane, inaan Eebahay idin qatalin, qariya laabtiina!

 

How could a man with lust say to a selection of beautiful women to such words? Dont think so.

 

Cilmi loved his women and his was not a lust. And was a perfect symbol for the saying: IT IS BETTER TO HAVE LOVED AND LOST THAN NEVER TO HAVE LOVED AT ALL (some hate this saying, but I like it).

 

That is all, folks.

Salaam.

[Nasir]

iLmi was one of the greatest somali lovers ever, to fall in love you don't need that woman you love to be holding your hand, the only thing you need is your heart accepting her and wanting her. surely boodheri was going through the samething. For those of you who are calling him crazy get a freakin life and stop insulting the dead man for some reason you have hatered for the man and i wish i could read your mind like avant for want reason that is so.

 

maca salama

[SomeAlien]

good beeble ove esss oh ehll,

 

i want to find out more about this guy, do you mind telling me where i can get a copy of his published poems (maybe one of you kind nomads lend it), or point me to the direction as to where to find it as well as the versions turned into songs. itd be very appreciated, thanks in advance. pm if you can help.

[Faheema.]

Originally posted by Nasir:

For those of you who are calling him crazy get a freakin life and stop insulting the dead man for some reason you have hatered for the man and i wish i could read your mind like avant for want reason that is so.

Walalo, calm yourself down....It's just a difference of opinion, there is no hatered here. Besides, can't people express their views without others accusing them of being "haters" :rolleyes: