^Silly me - the Somali nation is truly an endangered species suffocating under a brutal colonization by those dastardly am-xaar-os. ONWARD SOMALI SOLDIER!!! I am right behind you - Ubahane - er me.

Originally posted by Cambarro: Somalipride "They definitely do, like I’ve been saying for a long time. The people living there don't have the luxuries that we living abroad do. They need to start generating jobs and exploring their resources. Extracting the oil is another story, but they can't just keep waiting and waiting." If only this was the case. Surely you cant be that naive. History shows that they are lucky if the average somali sees a penny of that money. Odeyaasha magaalada will line their pocket. This is happening all over Africa. When there is no proper regulations in place, corruption is rife with no process of accountability and transparency, average Cali on the street wont get a penny. Even in places where corruption is rife - the local ppl do benefit, however small. It seems to me your attitude is if it is not gonna be perfect or damn close to it - let's all sit on our hands.

^^Yes Amxaaro have a special lock on evil-doing God damn those evil-doers

^I don't think they should be arresting anyone for announcing or calling for a court. Pluralism is important. At any rate - if those ppl want to announce a court of their own - how is this a victory for the UIC as Paragon seems to be implying? Hmmm - and here I was thinking only one version - that of the UIC - was halaal.

Originally posted by Alle-ubaahne: quote:Originally posted by Cara: What is clear is the tragedy looming for us if the UIC abandons what worked for them (social services, local enforcement of law within a willling and desperate population) for grandiose expansionist "Jihad" on fellow Somalis. fellow somalis! Do you mean that the ethiopians had become our own fellow Somalis? You hatred for the concept/practise of Jihad against the aggressors had really shocked me, indeed. May you die in the Jihad against the Melez Regime, Aameen! Is nobody man(or woman) enough to administer the medicine to him????? Fine - I'll do it - Cara hold him down

Originally posted by Nayruus: Mr. Reality Check, check the reality of the NEW SOMALIA. If we Somalis have gained any thing from the civil war, most of us are realizing that this qabiil label have no more weight in the polical discourse. Every child in streets of Gaalkacyo, Qardho , Hargeisa, Borama, Kismaayo, Beledwey, Baidhama and from all other Somali cities and villages, knows that it is not going to work for Mele Zanawi and Mr. Kebaki to divide Somalis along qabiil lines No more weight for qabiil and no more division amongst Somalis. That's very funny, wallahi.

^I simply can't get into Mr. Farah's fiction - some of the stuff leaves you aghast - his non-fiction is more palatable.

^Somali-weyn??? Have we made much progress on Somali-yer? Is there the trust that is needed to unite the various groups in Somalia proper - let alone other areas? Can't we learn to crawl and stand before looking to fly? This sort of grandiose, self-deluding chatter is, unfortunately, far too common for Somalis.

^I think you guys need to take it easy - industrial accidents, things blowing up, ppl dying from chemical waste happens everywhere, even in the developed countries As to the UN etc - please - after decades in the country they have acheived little. Somalis coming back from short sojourns abroad have been able to do much, much more for the country. "This land of poverty, oppression, sweltering heat, droughts, dust storms, famine, deforestation, monsoon floods, soil erosion, and desertification, now suffers industrialism’s most deadly waste and the world’s indifference." What melodramatic, self-serving bull-shit

DAMASCUS, 29 October (IRIN) - Since her mother was shot dead in front of her 14 years ago, Maka Mahamoud Kashi says she has been unable to cure the pain inside her head. "The Syrian doctor said I have two nerves fused together and that I need surgery," said the Somali mother-of-eight. Kashi suffered a nervous breakdown in the Somali capital Mogadishu after armed thieves opened fire on her family. Thirteen years later, she decided to save up for an air ticket to Damascus, hoping for a better life. Though she left five of her children in Mogadishu with her sister, Kashi is finding it increasingly difficult to make ends meet in Syria. "I receive around $80 a month from a cousin who works as a waiter in South Africa," she said. "But after I have paid rent and provided for my children, I don't have enough to save up for the $300 surgery." Somali refugees, like Iraqis, have access to public schools and healthcare in Syria and say they have been welcomed by the government and the Syrian people. Two of her children -Mohammed, 10, and Hannah, 9 - attend primary school in Damascus while she takes care of her two-month-old infant. However, Kashi's surgery would need to be done privately, and with no job of her own, she simply can't afford it. Kashi says she would be unable to pay rent on her single room in Berze, a suburb of the capital that is home to an estimated 6,000 Somalis, were it not for the contribution she receives from abroad. Like an increasing number of Somalis in Syria, Kashi hopes for assistance from the United Nations refugee agency (UNHCR) in Damascus. "I went to the UNHCR two weeks after arriving last November," said Kashi. "They told me to come back after five months. Then I waited another four months. I showed them the doctor's report and they saw that I was pregnant, but they were unable to do anything to help me." Money only for the most needy The UNHCR offers limited financial support to the neediest Somali refugees. This amounts to around $80 per month for a family and $50 per month for a single person - but as Kashi receives money from abroad, she does not qualify for the assistance. "We can only give financial assistance to the most needy cases," said Dietrun Gunther, senior protection officer at UNHCR Damascus. "Those who receive money from abroad tend not to qualify, unless there is an urgent need in which case they can receive $100." Under current UNHCR rules, all Somalis originating from Mogadishu and the south of the country who arrive in Syria are granted automatic refugee status. This means they are protected under international law from being repatriated because of the dangers they would face back home, but it also limits them from being resettled in a third country as they must claim asylum on the basis of being individually persecuted. Syria has not ratified the 1951 UN Refugee Convention that protects refugees from deportation. Gunther said UNHCR Damascus has witnessed an increase in the number of Somalis registering as refugees over the past six months. This coincides with the rise to power in Mogadishu of the Islamic Courts Union (ICU), a new religious movement which drove out earlier this year the warring militias who had ravaged Somalia since the collapse of former President Siad Barre's government in 1991. The UN's refugee agency, which is drastically under-funded and struggling to meet the growing needs of refugee communities in the Middle East region, is unable to provide financial support to the rapidly increasing number of Somalis registering for refugee status. In 2003, UNHCR Damascus registered 272 Somali refugees, with 22 cases - usually a family averaging four to five members - recognised for resettlement to a third country. In 2006, that figure has increased to 1,278 registered up to 26 October, with 236 cases so far recognised for resettlement to a third country. "We are stretched every way in terms of finances. We are relying on a minimum now, which is totally insufficient," said Gunther. "We need at least twice the budget of last year." Instead, according to senior UNHCR officials, the Damascus office budget for 2007 is set to halve. Somali receive some help thanks to the Somali Community Centre in Damascus, headed by Fuad Mohsen and run on donations from wealthier Somalis. Since 1992, the centre has been a focal point for the Somali refugee community, helping newcomers find homes, jobs and schools for their children and providing entertainment and cheap meals for those already settled. With the numbers of Somalis living in Damascus doubling from 4,000 to 8,000 between 2000 and early 2006, according to estimates by Mohsen, the centre now sees hundreds of people coming through its doors each day. Somalis being turned away Since June this year, however, there has been a noticeable decline in the rate of new arrivals. "There are more Somalis being turned away now than are being let into Syria," said Mohsen. "The government has put more restrictions on Somalis entering the country. They know if they opened the door too wide, all Somalis would come here," he added. Those that are fortunate enough to have escaped war-torn Somalia find themselves fighting a different battle in Syria. Faisal Jemali is a 27-year-old father-of-four who saw his father killed by an armed gang that arrived to ransack his family farm 30km south of Mogadishu. He was shot in the arm during the tragic incident. Jemali then sold his house, paid an agency $3,000 for travel arrangements and arrived in Damascus in October last year with nothing. "I was earning up to $40 a day as a taxi driver in Mogadishu, but you can't live there. You could be hit by a stray bullet just walking down the street," said Jemali. His son Mohammed needs surgery to correct a urinary tract disorder, he said, but on his earnings of $50 a month helping out in the community centre kitchen, Jemali simply can not afford it. "I don't have relatives sending me money," said Jemali, "but I am young and I want to work and support my family. But I have no official papers and even if I did there are no jobs going." Source

^We?!!! Sweetie, what makes you think he will share with you?

^Good job, congratulations. Perhaps you could go back to Somalia and help our politicians transition to the Middle Childhood stage.

Originally posted by sheherazade: ^ the lone Somali parents are the fathers generally. Think about it. LOL - no wonder they made you moderator - such razor wit er - what has happened to the saga of your battle against the British courts? SOL was promised the details of that David Vs Goliath epsiode. Or have I missed it? I personally am tired of all the politics.

Originally posted by Red Sea: Dude why are confusing yourself.How might you be free if you don't fight for it,you must die or work for anything to be accomplished? these people are reluctant to suceed,but they can't reach success if they are oppressed denied their rights to be successful.That is the current regime in Ethiopia's,they must be dealt with,then all good can come after. I'm not confused. Nor would I confuse myself. You might become free if your captor chooses to set you free - as in slavery in the early Muslim period. Or more recently like France giving Djibouti independance with little fighting. Now to your second paragraph. Now THAT is really confusing. The ppl in Somali Galbeed are reluctant to succeed yet they can't succeed because of occupation??? If they are reluctant to succeed then it doesn't matter whether they're free or not. Your other point is that when they become free then goodness will start to pour forth. Because they are so shackled and brutalized now and can't do anything good? I think not. Let's face it the average Amhara is almost as poorly off as the average Somali or Oromo. There is no particular brutal oppression directed at Somalis or Oromos as far as I know. Thus, these ppl could get going on proper governance. Originally posted by Red Sea: "the former is ALWAYS better than later". That is just cheap statement which doesn't have much evidence to its existance.If that were the case,what makes Germany and Japan rank #2 and #3 in the world in economic power.If we were to apply that statement to this situation,Hitler and the Japan's emperor would have been better for their respective people right? Once again you have me confused. What point are you making here in regard to what I said before. Germany and Japan attacked other soveriegn countries and then were attacked back and defeated. Then there was an occupation and then the occupiers left after a period of time. Where the occupation is relatively benign as in Somali Galbeed or Native lands in North America - the occupied people must act to improve their lot and not wait for the occupation to end before attempting to improve their lot. That is really backward. And that is the point I was making with my quote. Ansar Al oromi is right on this,and The Point knows little to really understand the situation. Do tell me what you have to offer on the basis of your self proclaimed superior knowledge.

Originally posted by Socod_badne: Whether they may or may not have links to unsavoury characters or illegal business is for courts to decide. All I'm saying is if someone is suspected of being at a stage where the available evidence warrants their arrest, then by all means yes. There is no arrest - the courts have yet to rule. They have been barred from work BEFORE any court has ruled. In essence, they have been deprived of their livelihood on the basis of speculation and hearsay. And for this there is no legal basis - and yet you agree with it.

^Perhaps a stay at the Wiilo Benevolence Center is called for

Originally posted by Socod_badne: Of course, duh! If you're in cahoots with nefarious posse who are incessantly planning new deadlier ways to maim and terrorize people That remains unproven. And the terms 'cahoots' and 'nefarious' have to be well defined if this is to pass resonable-ness tests let alone stick up in court. if you're under the spell of diabolical imams, not only should you be fired from your work but apprehended and sequestered for your own good. Another unproven point - all we have so far is from the interior miniser and that is 'radical practices'. So I wonder - if you were suspected of being 'under the spell of diabolical' violent anti-abortionists - would interior minister SB have me barred from my job. I can tell you I have heard of no such case in North America. But then SB, you would want to be the right of righwing Americans. So in essence, SB supports ppl being barred from their work because they may have links to ppl who may be in the process of committing terrorist acts. Or they may also be barred because they may be under the spell of imams who may be planning something diabolical. So much common sense let alone legal principles. And throw in basic human decency and fair play. :rolleyes:

^1 - As regards stability and governance - a huge amount needs to be done yet. Do you agree with that? 2 - The ICU is in a much stronger position than TFG - and there is no viable threat to their rule in Mogadishu, the most populous city in Somalia. Do you agree with that? 3 - If you agree to the above 2 questions - then you must agree that there is little excuse for not doing more on the governance front in Mogadishu at the very least. Do we have agreement? This is my argument at its most basic - no dancing and prancing needed from you saaxib to get to the bottom of this

^that should read 'the TFG won't leave them in peace' rather than ICU!

^Adeer, once again, you are missing the point. We were talking about governance earlier and you made the point that the ICU can't focus on governance because the ICU won't leave them in peace. I'm saying there is no evidence of that. And here you admit that they have an 'agressive' posture. Precisely. The ICU has the upper hand and has had it for some time. There is no excuse for not focusing on governance. PS - I never agrued for TFG's innocence. Whatever level of guilt they have - I don't see them taking Mog anytime soon - so let's get going on governance. PPS - Could I BE more clear and to the point

Originally posted by Socod_badne: quote:Originally posted by Cambarro: Whatever next? Start being honest. This just fell out of the sky look of false indignation doesn't wash anymore. It's old broken record. In the article you posted above is mentioned the closure of SEVEN mosques in Charles De Gaule and other airports in Paris allegedly involved in suspicious activities. I did further digging into this story and what did I find? Since January this year, 18 imams have been expelled from France for inciting violence and spewing vile hatred. Do you also feel indignant about their expulsion as well? All this doesn't prove these muslim men are guilty of any crime but it does compellingly suggest what was done to them wasn't solely on the basis of their faith and not anything they might have done. Waryaa - where you at in O-town so I can slap you silly! This is the basis of the expulsions: "Security officials fear they may be linked to radical groups. Saturday, the French interior minister defended the decision to bar the workers, saying he could not accept people with radical practices working at the airport." So it's not anything they have planned out or conspired about or anything they actually did - these men were barred because the French interior minister felt they had 'radical practices' - whatever that means. Do you believe that is a good enough basis to deny ppl the right to work? It really becomes as simple as that. As Oodweyne might say, over to you now, dear boy

^o deh maxaa ka rabta - Xoogsade and friends will bring the TRUE diin to the cawaan and munafiqs of Mudug - just you wait and see:D

Originally posted by xiinfaniin: The Point; a little correction---courts are not confined in ‘the vicinity of Mogadishu’ . That is precisely the point Adeer! Any entity that is well and truly outside its power base and has taken over many territories in a short period of time can hardly claim to be frightened and cowering in fear from the thugs they had recently defeated. Yet this is the argument you are presenting to me. For now, the ICU has little to worry about from the TFG - on the contrary it is the TFG that should be cowering in fear. Much to your delight I know

Originally posted by Paragon: ^^^ Adeer, ma waxaad leedahay, chase away the hyena but let it surround you and consume you bit by bit, slowly, little by little . Adeer - I don't see the TFG consuming anyone - in fact they are barely getting scraps. If there is anyone consuming anything - oh you get the drift. Surround you, kulaha!

Originally posted by Rahima: quote: new Taliban State in Somalia How i hate somalis who speak in such a way, uff, next they'll sell their souls to the devil since the American administration isn't far off. Yes agreed Such sweeping a indictment is a transparent attempt to get funding for the so called 'war on terror' :rolleyes: