bilan;701033 wrote: ^^^ oo goormaa la kala qaybiyey is la isku daro???? some people will never wake up i guess. He has a point to be fair. The current Somalia as the world knows it is only two of the five Somali regions thus we can't really call it Somaliweyn.

What is your opinion on this?

I never knew Al shabab was 100% filled with youths from the north. Learn something new everyday.

The State Department reasoned that Samantar was not qualified for immunity because there is no recognized government in Somalia that can request immunity on his behalf. Finally a confirmation that the TFG is practically worthless, with no power whatsoever.

Didn't Barre order his army to shoot people in the stadium he was at after they taunted him?

The majority of all of these Presidents and Prime Ministers that have come and gone were diaspora based and supported by specific somali communites therefore the diaspora are not divorced from what has happened in Somalia the last two decades.

The thing is Somalis do not all want the same thing, each group has taken their own path for what they believe is best for them. Forcing conformity will not end well.

Looks like he's showing the Italian their former protectorates which included Southern Somalia, Ehtiopia & Eritrea?

20yrs of civil war and you think Somalis would accept another Siyad Barre? Never in a million years.

Do as I say not as I do....

In that clip you posted, what are your views on what he says from the 3.40 mark onwards?

Lol at having to go to New York to ask whether you can rule your country.

The TFG is worthless mate. They have no legitimacy to conduct the affairs of Somalia, their mandate is given to them by the UN and it'll be the UN who will decide in August whether on not to extend their term or throw them out of Villa Somalia. What an Epic waste of time it would be to ask Mogadishu for something when Mogadishu itself is run by an office in the New York.

^Do you honestly believe the TFG is on par with the govts that granted Eritrea and South Sudan their referendums? Lol at the thought of there ever being any corridors of power in Mogadishu.

There's no link on the site

http://www.economist.com/blogs/baobab/2011/01/somaliland WITH South Sudan's referendum drawing international attention to the issue of secession in Africa, the quest for international recognition by Somaliland, the northern part of Somalia which declared independence in 1991, is back in the news. Since then, Somaliland has established a functioning state and held several elections—the latest, a presidential poll in mid-2010, saw Ahmed Mohamed Silanyo (pictured), once a minister in Somalia's government, defeat the incumbent. Yet the country remains unrecognised, with some leading African Union members, Somali's transitional government and terrorist groups in Somalia alike opposed to its breakaway ambitions. The new administration has had to deal with territorial tensions in its east and the presence of enemies of Ethiopia's rule over ethnic Somali regions. As the vote in South Sudan approached, Baobab spoke with Mr Silanyo and Somaliland's foreign minister, Mohamed Abdullahi Omar. Baobab: Why should the world care about Somaliland and its quest for recognition? Ahmed Mohamed Silanyo: Somaliland is in a part of the world where there is so much instability, with international piracy and international terrorism playing a role. The kind of things going on in our part of the world affect the whole world. It is important that Somaliland and the international community work together against these sorts of activities. As far as security is concerned, we have done more than anyone else to fight against insecurity in our region. That's not an easy job, and that's why we need the co-operation of the international community. We are co-operating with other countries, like Ethiopia, America and Britain, who are interested in security in the region. Baobab:What are the implications of the referendum in South Sudan for Somaliland's quest for recognition? AS: If the international community accepts South Sudan's independence, that opens the door for us as well. It would mean that the principle that African borders should remain where they were at the time of independence would change. It means that If Southern Sudan can go their way, that should open the door for Somaliland's independence as well and that the international position that Somaliland not be recognised separate from Somalia has changed. Baobab: How confident are you that a vote for change in South Sudan will see a higher priority be given to Somaliland's quest? AS: We are convinced it will and we are working very hard towards that. Baobab: Tensions exist in Somaliland's eastern regions, where clan authorities there do not recognise Somaliland's authority and Puntland [a region of Somalia which seeks autonomy under a federal system] lays claim to territory. Such tensions affected the conduct of the presidential election there. How are you addressing these? AS: We have opened a dialogue with elders and traditional leaders there. We have already sent a very high-level delegation there, and many of those leaders have responded positively. At the same time, we have begun development programmes there, in water supplies and other needs. But there is no doubt about it: we are strengthening our forces there. The borders are not something that can be negotiated, that is a matter of state security. But there is nothing to stop us holding talks with the elders and we are optimistic about these. Mohammed Abdullahi Omar: We are willing to work with Puntland on issues that affect all of us—piracy, terrorism, environmental issues. We are working with Puntland and other countries—Somalia, Uganda, Kenya and donor countries—to reduce the risk of piracy for the region. There is an international process for this, and we want to see these co-operations spreading to increase stability in the Horn of Africa. Baobab: How is your relationship with the transitional federal government in Somalia? MO: Our position has always been clear: we'd like the TFG and the local population to put their differences outside and work together to achieve peace and freedom in their country. That is in their interest; it is also in our interests, and in those of the region and the international community. We also support the African Union and international efforts to bring peace and government institutions back into Somalia, but we think it is for the Somalis to resolve, we don't think external influence or intervention will bring peace to Somalia. We are calling on our brothers in Somalia to sit down and make an arrangement to bring peace to Somalia. Baobab: Does your administration have any formal contact with the TFG? AS: No. Baobab: What are Somaliland's relations with the United Nations? MO: Previously there was a limited UN engagement with Somaliland, coming via the UN offices for Somalia, based in Nairobi. But since the election we have been informed that there are plans to open a UN office in Somaliland, and that other UN offices may move from Nairobi to Hargeisa [somaliland's capital]. We welcome that change in attitude from the UN and the opportunities it brings. The UN has evaluated the security level in Somaliland since the election, and we are now at the level which permits top officials to come to Somaliland. We welcome that very much. Baobab: Since the election, I've been coming across articles (such as this one) talking about Somaliland's tourism potential. Is the government doing anything to promote this? MO: We have a dedicated tourism ministry, and indeed historical sites, and the Red Sea. But these all require international and local investment and development. With increased business stability, we hope we will get that investment. AS: I have no doubt that Somaliland's stability will lead to terrorist groups trying to target Somaliland. But at the same time we are strengthening the groups that deal with terrorism, such as our police and security forces. We are giving them very high priority and more resources. But there is no doubt that we will be a target for terrorists.

There's a sports section on this forum bro, please stop flooding the the politics section especially with news concerning the spanish waiter.

General Duke;685424 wrote: Thats your opnion lad, the fact is they have not fooled anyone but themselves..As this thread and many other testifies. Lol, ok mate have a nice day.

General Duke;685409 wrote: The Hargaysa attacks were planned under the leadership of Cayrow, and where executed just as Godane was cementing his position at the top, since then its been mayhem on the south and coupld of fake insults towards Hargaysa. Godane, Afghani are the top two leaders of Al Shabaab. Even the son of Hargaysa's "Minister" of Justice and religious affairs joined Al Shabaab and his "uncles" as he claimed to wage Jihad on the people of the south, while his family are safe and sound in Hargaysa. As for Al Shabaab members from our region, Attam is an example and you see how treat them, dont you. Its you who then gives him shelter in Burco and treats his wounds and arms him. Hargaysa and the traingle will bring war on themselves, and when the bullets starts flying they will start crying. "Its 1988, its 1988".. With all the so called 'gaffes' that have been coming out of Hargeisa lately, how has the admin there managed to fool the world and hide its link with Al Shabab? Is the PIS and Puntland really that good in uncovering what the intels of the world have so far not noticed?

How do you reconcile the fact that Al Shabab has conducted coordinated attacks in Hargeisa, wounding an killing scores of civilians in the process. Are you suggesting that the Somaliland govt planned that with Godane to further enhance its status? Aren’t there high profile members in Shabab that are from your region btw?

Well then shouldn't you then learn from that and refrain for the repetiton of falsehood or do you think you'll be able to pull it off?

“Repetition does not transform a lie into a truth”

Abtigiis;685179 wrote: ^ no, when the south finally settles, the situation will change drastically and SL's , SNMites I mean, will break into groups like the rest of the Somalis. There is no natural law that makes them immune to division and self-interest. Everybody will follow what gives him bread. It is an established fact that at the end of the day politicians are about bread and butter. So, don't be surprised if you see Faysal Ali Waraabe in Mogadishu in 2012 seeking a Ministerial portfolio. Well that's your opinion. My opinion is basically if the SL project is doomed to failure because other clans won't allow it , I don't expect the I clan to joyfully embrace that which killed what they have been building for the past 20yrs.

So the gist of this article is that the sole reason Somaliland will not succeed is because other clans will not agree to it or want it. Would one then be wrong is assuming that the author's hope (and many others) of a Somalia with its current borders and with a stable govt will not succeed because of 2 or so million members of the I clan do not want it or will agree to it?

This change is confusing and unnecessary in my opinion.