^ I don't know what your contention is or what circle you are going on but for clarification sake. Anti TFG piece published by Hiiraan Anti TFG piece published by Hiiraan 2 Anti TFG piece published by Hiiraan 3 Anti TFG published by Hiiraan 4 Anti TFG published piece by Hiiraan 5 Anti TFG piece published by Hiiraan 6 This is just the opinion pieces. The rest are either neutral or are discussing another area of interest like the North western region of Somaliland.

^ The fact that hiraan online displayes many anti-tfg pieces through their opinion and news related pieces drops the allegation that the TFG owns Hiraan.com.

Aren't the people on both sides like cousins? Where are the elders?

The thing is, when the authorities in the North try to prevent them from boarding on their ports, the smugglers move to a smaller location on one of the many dozens of small coastal towns off the red sea.

^ Even Better then pictures...VIDEO.

Mashallah. The academy looks fantastic.

The new york yankees are richer then Real. It was two year ago and it is today.

Originally posted by EboniQue: quote:Originally posted by Taako Man: Ayan Hersi is a sick individual. She needs to be censored. Your uncle is the sick criminal and he must be brougt to justice and hunged. Ayan did not bring Axmaaar in to our Somali soil, she did not killed so many inoccent young ppl including my own cousin. Down to Abdilaahi Axmaar IA. What do Uncles and Ayan Hersi have to do with me?

I heard the Grand Canyon was purchased by the TFG a year ago and manchester United will be purchased in the second quarter of the year. If you look at hiraan online today just simply click on their opinion pieces. The top 3 or four are criticizing the TFG. But I guess if they have one thing good to say about the TFG then they must have been bought?

If Riyaale wins again all I can say is WOOOOOOW.

Some people here think they are malakiil maut. His time may come after yours.

Originally posted by Shucayb: Taako man, I am not saying the TFG was based in Pland, Abdulllahi yusuf, and his close kins are no longer in Pland to be holding almost every important spot in the government. Col. Carays was the commander of the Pland army, now he is with the TFG holding high post. That is what I am refering to here. The 12 members you speak are from the same sub clan aren't they? You still aren't able to refute the facts put forth which is that yey's closest and I mean ones from his own sub clan who hold high posts. Those are facts you can't prove them wrong. Tell me any other Qabiil or sub clan rather that holds that many important posts, other than suprise suprise Abdullahi' Yusuf kinsmen. It's no suprise he appoints them one by one. As for those who are from Hargeysa? You only have Buubaa and who else, I think kaluun and Sifir are no longer part of the TFG, the last I heard about them was in Baydhabo. I am not sure. But those are pretty much it. They were looking for job anywhere, so they went to the TFG. If they ever showed up in hargeysa, they could possibly get beheaded. Talk about representing Hargeysa, let us be realistic. The fact still stands, can you prove it wrong? So far, you are doing the same old, sugar coating and making it look all nice and sweet. Kamalu Diin, I admire Cumar Arte Ghalib, he was highly educated fellow, what is wrong with being like him? Garaad Canood? you have fallen what melez said. The ICU was threat to our existance therefore we must fight them in their own territory before they come to attack our home land. All the ICU wanted was for the Ethios to withdraw from the country, then peace would be struck on that spot. Ethiopia didn't want that to happen. They admit when the war started that they had troops in the country. No question, Melez is the biggest liar in Africa, and you believed him, how sad mr. daraawish. Firstly there are hundreds of positions of which other clans share. Those post are neither ministerial nor deputy minsterial. Highlighting them is like me highlighting every position that is under say Geedi's sub clan. It is frugal and pointless. The only other person of significance in yeys 'family' is hassan abshir and he is minister of fisheries. Otherwise their are more ministers from Geedi's sub clan. That is a fact. Careys was needed for his expertise. Surely you know that when the TFG had nobody willing to be commanders careys was willing and able. I doubt many northwesterners would want to command the TFG army. Maybe they would have their 'heads chopped off' Secondly, I don't know where sifir is or that other character. However I can assure you that When the TFG switches portfolios they do it in two fashions. a) to a person of the same clan. b) to a person of equal or higher quality. As you can see Gacmodheere switched Aideed, Madoobe to Shariif Hassan etc Again Somaliland.org didn't get two positions correct there from my personal knowledge. Who is to say they are credible, realiable and not mallicious in intent?

D/P

^ Bush Had 50+ million Americans vote for him in 2000. It's quite possible a few skinny men voted for him then. Not knowing what would be the outcome.

^ Prince waleed is a Saudi who just wants money. He has absolutely no say in Fox. It's rupert murdoch and his crony jews. Ayan is broadcasted because of her hate message towards islam. If someobody like Tim Hardaway who criticizes homosexual lifestyles is censored, but not Ayan towards islam it really shows you where the news is going. BTW there are plenty of challengers. George Galloway has already karbaashed Sky news in the UK and the whole Uk parliament . He needs to stick it to this trick.

Ayan Hersi is a sick individual. She needs to be censored.

Nice ban. Hopefully it sticks.

Borama looks nice. It's got this European mountainy look to it.

^ The Courts would have banned Movies. Bank on it. If they banned soccer matches, and cinemas and khat why not, unhajibified women and men seeking them?

Originally posted by Shucayb: ^ I am sure that would change if the ICU extended to Xamar wouldnt it? The TFG was based is based in Baidoa and Jowhar and Kenya before it. But it wasn't just reer Jowhar or Baidoa in its figure heads? ICU never said they represented all somali qabiils, but their cause represented us all. Get it? Why would they not represent all somali clans if they were a somali movement? How can a cause reflect its population when it isolates it's population? Surely Xamar a city of 2 million by some, has 100's of thousands of somalis from outside the ICU's frame. The TFG on the hand claims to represent all somalis from every region, so with that being said, what is this family runing around every corner of villa somalia, maye reerihii kale ee family gu xataa? The TFG does represent Somalis from a far and wide. It has 275 members of parliament. Of which 12 members hail from the 'family' you speak of. The TFG has a foreign affairs minister from Hargeiysa and a Finance Minister from Baidoa and a Interior Minister from Cadaado and a Defense Minister from Gedo/Cabuudwaaq and a Prime Minister from Xamar and I can go on and on. Where is this family in high positions? There are many ambassadors such as that of Kenya and Yemen and Oman (which off the top of my head), have nothing to do with the presidents 'family'. They isolated a couple of individuals from the 'family' who by some way are supposedly rampant corruption? The TFG is in Xamar and its no longer in Pland, so somethings should change. Another one of your ignorant comments. The TFG was never based in Pland. It was always based in the either Jowhar or baidoa if any place in Somalia. Buubaa, is from Hargeysa, I am realistic guy, I dont' sugar coat nor will I deny the facts such as the fact posted by Somaliland.org. [/ Yes and I know that. But somaliland.org doesn't even know that the army commander they supposedly said was from President Yusuf clan is from a minority clan who trace their descent to ibb in yemem. He is from the minority clan. So that means one of two things 1) Somaliland.org doesn't even know their facts so who is to say the rest of their list isn't a lie? 2) Somaliland.org is not reliable.

Red Sea Aweys, Cadani, Indhacadde, Ceyroow, Shariif, Cadoow etc were all from the same clan. But you'll have us believe that Buuba is really from Garoowe. LOOOOOOL

Originally posted by Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar: Baddacase, odeygaan markuu afkiisa furaba qashin ayaa ka dareera. Waligaa haka sugin wax qeyr qaba. There is something about this Father of Stooge ah that is well-known. To those who have personally met him, what they unanimously say: First thing he asks people are qoladee yihiin. Runtii, that is not been. Salaantiisa waa 'qolomaa tahay.' And if you start from the top clan, he still wants to know the sub-clan until he recognizes some people from that sub-sub-sub clan, be them foes or friends, whose subsequent judgements he rationally tries to base. To him what your fellow clan members did to him from 25 years ago, good or not, is what he will base how he will treat you. Computer miyaa oo wixii la feed gareeyo only yaqaano, nothing else. The qashin from this Codka Mareykanka [VOA] interview? quote: Madaxweyne Yuusuf oo wareysi kooban siinayey laanta afka Soomaaliga Idaacadda VOA oo habeenkii xalay ahaa markii ugu horeysay laga dhegeystay geeska Afrika mudo sanadood ka badan ayaa intaa mar la weydiiyey sida uu arko idaacada VOA-da oo hadda bilowday barnaamijyo af-Soomaali ah ayaa yiri: "Anigu hadda ka hor ma dhegeysan Idaacadaan waxaase laga maarmaan ah iney sheegto warar sugan oo xaqiiqada ku fadhiya, haddeyse sida BBC-da been sheegto ama qabiil taageerto, Maraykanka ayeynu warqad u qoreynaa waxaynuna leenahay ha la xiro. Xigasho That is his mentality. Only hala xiro yaqaano kii ama tii wax ka sheegtaba uu jecleysan, nothing dimuqraadiyad iyo xoriyad warbaahin waligiis kusoo dhicin. Why are you making stuff up? Have you personally met him? I can now see why some here you are blantantly bias and conjure up nonsense from thin air. The president if he were to remember what somebodies clan did to him it would be that of hiraale. He would literally despise him. But you know that is not true. He is a man of forgiveness and he easily forgets the past. Your blantant nonsense is down right despicable and your defermation of the president is allowed but if I were to insult Saransoor you would edit me.

Speaker of the Parliament for the TFG= Adan Madoobe Speaker of the ICU= 'Sheik' clan insert LOOL

Originally posted by Shucayb: As far as I know those are all important positions? Let us not twist the facts now, leave Somaliland.org is just a news outlet, they have given you full proof, do you have anything to dispute that. When the president and all his cabinet members are from teh same qabiil, including the commander of the army, what does that say about this TFG? ICU created peace and tranquilty in Xamar, which you are still can't manage to do so. and yes do explain the corruption you are speaking of? the only corruption I see here, is ina Yey and his close kins holding important posts of the daba dhilif so called governmetn, he brought shame to the family hasn't he? shame on him Taako man, shame on him. Your confused. Firstly some of those men are from the minority clans in puntland. Stop the lying. Secondly, WHAT CABINET OF THE PRESIDENT? Cabinet= Ministerial portfolio holders Lets do a basic comparison President of the TFG=A/Y President of the ICU= Aweys Prime Minister of TFG= Geedi Prime Minister of ICU= Shariif Foreign Affairs Minister of TFG= Buuba Foreign Affairs Minister of ICU= Caddow Defense Minister of TFG= Hiraale Defense Minister of ICU= Indhacadde Commander of Army= Naaji/ Ina Libaax Sankataabte (Not the real Libaax from Sol) Commander of ICU= Ceyroow Finance Minister of TFG= Shatigaduud Finance Minster of ICU= Cadani Interior Minister of TFG= Gacmadheere Interior Minister of ICU= Not sure but there is a trend Now lets see..... THE ICU TOP Cabinet are all from one clan most from one sub sub clan THE TFG I see so spread out that it encompasses many clans from nearly all somali walks including the minority/ non ethnic somalis.

Originally posted by Shucayb: lol....the ICU was successful to say the least, the TFG not so much, which even makes the fact the people that are listed in the article stick our like sort thumb. As for those who want for the return of the ICU...I think you didnt' mean some, but majority of Southern Somalia misses them dearly. My evidence the ever increasing violence, the return of the warlords, the occupation of Xamar by foreing enemy. After all this, who wouldnt' vow for their return. But then again, you can't grasp the reality on the ground. You always seem to be so delusional with everything. Even you once stated that there were more Oromos and Eritreans and military armor than the Ethiopians? are you still standing by that statement Genaral? Again, TFG most 'important' post are held by men from same sub clan, what do you have to say about that? Taako Man, it doesnt' matter what Somaliland.org hasn't highlighted, all I know those are important posts, and are held by group from the same sub clans. Isn't that so? ehem, go head, sing for us... Dude there are many hundred of important positions which have nothing to do with the President's clan or sub clan. Somaliland.org is even equating Minority clans which live in Puntland with the President. Smear campaign is what these websites are trying to portray. The ICU's top 5 positions were all from the same clan and with the exception of Sheik Shariif from the same sub sub clan. That is rampant corruption.