Originally posted by OG_Girl: ^^About the topic I don't know why Somalis making a big deal? My mom and also my grandma got their pre-Islam exist Tribe names as a family name...As every one in Arabian Gulf does. Never seen people killing each other or insulting each other... ^^^ OG_GIRL ... Sooner or later we gonna beat up with the Arabs , the other day , a Somalilander was swearing at that his Somali Clan descends from the arabs but mine descends from the niggaz .. In appearance i´ get the Typical skinny looks, while he got that Afro n the darker skin. I need the ARABS to confirm and approve my arabness. I need that VERY bad, WOL .... don´t you worry .. your girl has survived the Kuwait war 1st and the 2nd Dont you wonder if she is related somehow to Bush?

~~ WOL ... I love the Name .. "WOL SUjui Najua". it is so you . sometimes you just are too bright for me The Kikuyas Are Juma and co , The Clan that hates your Clan Beleive me .. in no time you´ll master it . we did it b4 you. Just look at OG_GIRL , she was typical Sujui ..using He when she meant She .. well.. nowadays we " QUOTE" her . " JB, adeka chaqo mhasato? "

Originally posted by Salaxuddiin: conquer your Nafs and you've conquered the World So to Take over the World Pinky and the Brain needed to Only conquer themselves? How can one conquer one´s self? and where are You when you´re doing it? How do you FEEL when you´re doing it? before you attack will you take yourself off? I´m an ***** , so tell me how do you do it? If despite this , it is possible to conquer your own self ,how can you feel conquering and beeing conquered at the same time ? Are we talking about DUAL personality ? if not ? please elaborate.

WOL .. do you feel soo lonely ..sick n tired of this clan thing ? well don´t. Your Clan Is called Sujui , the Clan Suji is a great Clan so your sub Clan is Tangaika- Suju,.i.e we call you WOL Sujui The TangaiKa Sujuis are BRAVE ppl,they have been dominating the Safari Sujuis for so many years , they fought many wars , won most of them , but lost the last battle against the KUKUYO. so watchout for the Safari Sujuis , payback time

Originally posted by 7 of Nine: Any woman who thinks the way to a man's heart is through his stomach is aiming just a little too high. and any Man who thinks he can make his Woman feel like a real woman by opening his wallet is aiming way too low. rip your shirt off n give her the pleasure of IRONING it.

Ditto !!

لي مده طويله ما كتبت بالعربي, Ùاعذريني لو اسلوبي ردئ بعض الشيئ. بيت الشعر اللي كتبته ÙŠÙسر كل مقصدي بكلمتين. لو قتل الابرياء علي يد المسلمين غير مقبول بس غضبنا Ùˆ غير قبولنا لم يسمع دوي Ùاعذريني لويÙسر كل مقصدي بكلمتين OG_GIRL .. Gotcha !!

Originally posted by Jumatatu: Ubaxi Kacanki Doofarey'... Kox kix kix ... this one goes straight to the history books .. Ubaxi Kacanki Doofarey

Originally posted by nomadic activist: So don't be gready now USC badiyo bandit....share the GREAT ACHIEVEMENT of the Somali dowfall with SSDF mediocre mahbars who co-deserve the tittle Somali Parasitic Leech Award along with you. :cool: Oooooh mama .... that hurted. Aight , you´re right , lemme put you too in the chip . according to my USC bible, SSDF may have been the 1st to revolt against "Father" Barre ( alaha u naxristo) but SSDF desolved into nothingness while HE was around.DUH so i won´t share the glory of kicking "Father" Barre out , cause if i do , that´ll mean SSDF beeing Bandits, occupiers,rapists etc etc, ( names n nouns that are copyrighted ONLY for the USC ). --> I´m very comfortable with ya direct addressing , just watch out .. i wanna you to b around for long time to come .

Originally posted by Major-General Cawad: Just go with the flow Juma, if the presidents aspirations have changed why are you stuck in your position change with the president. Very convincing i might say !! What is Next? Blind, if Yey kills in the name of Nation restoration ? You see, the diffrence between you ( steaming cheeks )n We ( "Sbaro" hunks ) is that we descend from the ppl who made the change. Tell Your Wife n father story to the thousands of Puntlanders whose relatives n beloved ones were killed by YEY. Before you convince the world and Juma ,try a TREE. For us ,Yey is not the right man for Somalia at these testing times, period . It is not about his clan, it is the persona, so if u got a better commodity, bring it on Johnny B stands for " Anti Yey " in a hippie way

It seems that the first bullet between Puntland malitias and USC militias have been fired in a USC town of Beledweyn Time to redraw the SOMALI ETHNIC MAP ?

Well.. After a long manouvering , 1st to Djibouti, Qatar, Yamen, Bosasso, Galcaio...admitted ..Col Yey admitted it. I´m going to operate from here >( JOWHAR ) What happened to the Government decision to operate temporarily from Jowhar AND Baidao ? I woulden´t get surprised if Yey sneaks in Mogadishu´s night clubs late at nights n drives back to Jowhar. Now is the time to tell .. either we´re reconciled or not ,( i beleive the later ) the comming days are decisive for the government of the WARLORDS I´m not optimistic about Col YEY.

Farah, challenge me in chick chasing ,not in theology Before i answer ,again i repeat , Either of the 2 options i answer to this question will NOT address Mutakalim´s question , as it won´t and can´t assign the use of " 'how' is UNKNOWN" to Muslims and deny the Christians . Xiin took the challenge !! Fisrt it was Logic and Reason not beeing enuf to validate a Revealed Truth , then it was questioning the fundmentality of Reason compared to Revelation in beeing the source of knowledge. Now you ask the ultimacy of Reason compared to Revelation in beeing the source of this time a specefic knowledge "Metaphysical knowledge". Wonder if Xiin agrees with the way you stated the question , Reveling in my unaccustomed leisure.,let me tell ya that logic is a wonderful thing.and not a MERE tool If NGONGE is pretierr than JB and JB is pretierr than Xiin then i got the metaphysical knowledge that NGONGE is pretierr than Xiin , and vice versa . Since you haven´t asked for Logical knowledge , Sementic knowledge, Systemic knowledge ,Empircal knowledge or Tacit knowledge,ONLY heaven knows what you´re looking for . Answer is Both . and the reason is, Reason and Revelation can both be the ultimate source of metaphysical knowledge.depending on who is getting the knowledge and what type of knowledge is beein received and through what senses is the knowledge been received. To widen the gap , i don´t see any clash between the two.,both are channels in which knowledge is delivered: D We carry knowledge that is revealed to us ,and a knowledge that is gained through other means like logic . KNOWLEDGE does imply a Belief.,but Belief does not Imply Knowledge. Wherever we claim to know that something is true we believe that it is so, but when we claim to believe that something is so, we don’t always claim to know that it is so. This is the last time i answer that evolving question. I shall now pen and show that accepting the literal meaning of Allah’s attributes is the correct theology and that logic is not applicable to validate how these attributes are! sure n pigs fly !! You seem to have missed the point of my argument (I am not arguing against reason per se) and created a dummy arguer instead I rest my case !!

Duke (Abti), don´t worry , he´s not even close to how you run headlines , i swear he dosen´t work for Mogadishu. But then hey ,, " he dosen´t make the NEWS" , he just presented what was written . Abti , am gonna tell him to stay away from ya Job, cutting n pasting , rubish headlines is just for YOU P.S He hasen´t mentioned RADIO Voice of Peace in Galcaio getting shut, closed and equipments confiscated.

I think Edna got what she came for !! To extensively use the term SOMALILAND where applicable and even sometimes go off subject to name SOMALILAND few more times . Though this is ONLY a panel in popular TV program ,aired from a Democracy , It´s a great acheivement for Somaliland in the eyes of those who so dearly want it recognized. Now I dnt think attacking the Persona Edna or pointing out how she was off track will help. Where is Somalia´s foreign minster? and What is he doing regarding the Somaliland issue?

Boyz or Galz , who is doing better in life? hmmmmmmmmm , who is doing better , hmmmmmmmmmm Mizz_Lander .. Do i´ve a choice? No?, Just what i´d in mind : of course Galz are doing much better in the bedstead

Every incident that takes place in Mogadishu is a propoganda opportunity for Yey cheerleaders to materialize on , while the killings and militia disorders that take place in Puntland is of no importance ,i.e less relevant. and any puntlander who tries to talk about it is silenced , any Puntland website that writes about is closed, journalists jailed Duke ( abti) you´re falling short to call it an "Uproar against the leader of that Area in sympathy for col Yey" Tell us about the Presidents´s FAKE power instead

Huba Huba !! I got you a birthday present ....me! wanna know how much i missed ya ? lemme borrow ya ears ...... Nice to have you back girl .

[QOUTE] It’s as if you revel in your coarseness. Very true my dear NGONGE, I wanted to deny any involvement in her loosing virginity, but i feel caught red handed You know what my idol said when accused of lacking in delicacy . "Lsiten mister, maybe you can be nice and sweet all the time , but THAT ain´t my style " On a serious note NGONGE, I´ve deliberately avoided any sort of finement or delicacy in my texture for the simple reason that , earlier Xiin warned for a rough ride for those immature pseudo intellectuals. Pretty daring , kina superheroing ,slightly flaunting ,woulden´t you say ? i.e The vulagar style is called for I don´t think Xiin peeled the Banana as presented by Mutakalim , he rather questioned the concept on diffrent grounds ,no thunder no lightnings . And as long as you almost agree with me , i don´t mind revelting in my OWN coarseness.

Xiin Jikartanku ha no dambeyo sxb Have i elevated it too high ? lemme break it down as you seem to prefer it shallow? Mr Muta´s point as i understood it was reason was used and logic was applied ,disproving Christians n trinity by some Muslims "scholars",but abandoned when it comes to Islam n Allah´s attributes, i.e " 'how' is UNKNOWN" comes into scene. That precieved ,Your angle of view was accepting Allah´s attributes literally is the correct theology. in another words " 'how' is UNKNOWN " is justified according to you ,i.e Muslims are entitled to take the attributes "as is "and not question by reasoning or applying logic becouse true knowledge can ONLY be acheived through "revelation, and logic is not applicable there" By penning down the peeks of some schools of thoughs ,you shallowed it even more , you canceled logic as a mere tool ,n put reason on trail , even though that per se was a questionable approach ,as it won´t entitle the " 'how' is unknown " to Muslims only I found "reason" NOT guilty of all charges , by providing 2 "incoherent" simple examples , n i´ve proved that reason (known or unknown) is merely the tool to justify an action or an event .and it´s irrelevant or relative if that given reasom is correct,true,etc etc 1 X 3 = 3 ----(reason)-----> becouse 1+1+1 = 3 . 1 X 3 = 3-----( reason) ----> becouse NGONGE revealed it to me ( very far from a divine revelation ) Now you are leading us into a narrow bath by asking : Which is more fundmental "Reason or Revelation" as a source of knowledge(knowledge a totally diffrent term) If you think any of the 2 offered options i choose ( i´ll answer) will address Mutakalim´s point , then you´re falling far behind the expectations. Now let me answer your question. First , the Key word in the question is fundmental , which presumes that both terms are somehow applicable but one is a MUST,more important , more correct or more suitable than the other. Second, The term Knowledge is not synonymous to TRUTH, revealed or not. Nonetheless, let me answer the question as stated , i say BOTH becouse ( and this time i demand a lil more effort to understand my "incoherent" example abouve. The first statement teachs me that the result is 3 becouse of the reason given( 1+1+1= 3) The 2nd statement teachs me that the result is 3 becouse Ngonge says so remember, it is irrelevant and relative for that matter if NGONGE revealed the wrong or right result ,as long as i gained the knowledge( true or not ), neither will it´ll be less correct JUST becouse Ngonge revealed it ( divine revelation is of diffrent and higher level but still a revelation ). Hence , i carry my umbrella as it rains heavenly in Georgia and enjoy my intellectual lawlessness on sunny days as rational bikini babes get loose. Now, can we woe Mutakalim back to the scene and ask if any of us have presuaded him to use his umbrella? P/S , what does "miqyaaska" mean? horse boi , coulden´t find in the dictionary

Girl logic is weird , It took me lots of brain cells to figure out that they´re suffering of a prolonged childhood syndrome. , They Can go through life asking themselves: He loves me , He loves me NOT I Once told a chick that she smelled kina pretty , and asked if she wanted to smell me? I got slapped !! Hold it right there Huston!! It is scientifically proven that they smell their way to the eventual partners( spouses). Now , Would i get slapped if i just took off my shirt n AIR the audor contents of my armbits, n go "HOWDY? My advice to the boiz: If you wanna get chicks NEVER use a deo, cause they use their noses instead of brains.

Dear Xiin , before i dive into the subject and find "reason" NOT GUILTY , i´d like to clarify a concept that i found fundmental to keep the debate on this level and maybe heighten ( or degrade, depending on how you see it ) it a little bit, ofcourse without loosing the thread . I find few un-chewed concepts in your accusations against "reason". Fisrt, you make it clear that "Reason" is on trail becouse of it´s FUNCTION and DEGREE as it relates to FAITH Hence , you defined the rule of engagement , regardless how relevant THAT is. It is so tempteing to STOP right there and ask you " What reasons have you, to put (REASON) on trail ?" Anyhow, let us roll down on that path and folllow it all the way. Now diving into it .( oooooooooh mama , somebody STOP me ) As you concluded, after the philosophical stand points of some schools of thoughts, your arguments backbone seems to be (Reason is not the tool to validate or verify a truth (FAITH)obtained through revelation ) If my assumption is wrong , everything i type from here down is nothing but misplaced REASON . and hopefully by this you meant Logic is not applicable here becouse that is supposed to be the trigger . Now dear mine , Human beeings are at the top of the chain of food for a good reason , 1: 1 X( times) 3 = 3 is TRUE becouse 1+1+1 = 3 -----> rationalist theologians 2: 1 X(times) 3 = 3 is TRUE becouse it is revealed ------> science of Fiqh and Qur’an Both of the abouve statements actually STRENGTHEN the importance of reasoning,NOT degrade it to a mere tool of conformation to the 2nd revealing statement. But then which of the statement st TRUE,right ,correct,acuurate or divine TRUTH is simply irrelevant as far as "REASON" is concerned therefore "REASON" is not guilty . al-Maturiti ´s point , that "REASON is subject for internal and external influences so it can therefore be easily obscured. and as a result , REASON fails to give us true knowledge of things" actually underlines the fact that "reason" is the SOLE engine we drive to reach knowledge and it´s number of horses and cylinders are simply irrelivant. What is TRUE for you is not necceserily TRUE for others becouse of influences ,--> becouse of OTHER "reasons ",. To wrap it, there may be diffrent reasons, good ones , bad ones and last but not least UNKNOWN ones , but there are ALWAYS reasons,i,e --------> LOGIC is applicable.--> i argue Call it intellectual lawlessness or structured intellegence, naming is of trivality here Now back to the Red thread. Faith is not against reason as it may seem to some , Faith is the ULTIMATE truth gained trough relevant or irrelevant reasoning, disclosure or revelation. You have FAITH in Allah becouse you are convinced (through reasoning ) that he is cabable of doing anything., including talking , sitting etc tec . Now reasoning against the christians and trinity and proving them wrong rationally requires nothing less than having FAITH .and a solid ground to stand on, applying the same rationality on your religion requires a deep knowledge of your religion based on logic . And so I can safely argue that faith is based on revelation. Revelation is the source of truth. A Muslim who believes in the literal meaning of Allah’s attributes without delving how is not irrational at all. To equate this article of faith with that of trinity is ridiculously wrong. Very TRUE , But that Muslim is neither less rational nor is he more rational than the Christian who has faith in trinity. It is not a matter of comparision , As i see it , it is a matter of reasoning . If your Muslim can use the "how' is unknown" as a Rational base for Allah having hands etc etc , denying the christian the same right to bleed "how is unknown" when challenged in trinity is theologically unholding .

Originally posted by Aux: quote: I am currently accepting applications for my fan club. Walaalo is that an Ad for marriage prospects? I thought I link the topic at hand with your signature. Huba Huba !! You just put the razz in the razzmatazz!

Four-eyed chicks are nothing but trouble !!

Originally posted by Zephyrine: JB , LoL. Your advice should come with a ' Hazardous to your health ' type of warning. Zephyrine , Sweet thing , i´ve happily accepted my role as "that single guy who is the preferred squeeze for all those miserably married girls", and i´ve to admit as a MALE beeing i´m beeing envyed for such a previlege. Now what says girls shoulden´t have such a previlege?