Paragon: Lol I applauded your effort, I seriously do, but do you honestly believe that warfare is only fought on the battle field? You must be kidding me right? In any case, there are multiple factors and difference that are involved which I don’t have the energy to go into, just to mention a few, the Lebanese side is use to taking heavy human losses, while the Israel can not sustain any kind of loss, the balance of power usual allows them to avoid any loss, but even the threat of the possibility is enough to politically paralyze them or make them act irrational. Israel had aims and objectives to achieve and the missed it by miles, in the end, not only did they look like the aggressors, the perception of their military power was also trashed. In this system of international relations messing up your deterrence is probably the worse thing that can happen to you. As for creating diversion from the casualties ( other being impossible) and I assume you only know the casualties via some sort of media channel? Loosing is in the mind, if you think you are losing no point of you fighting, you already lost. And I agree it is a realist world to a certain extent, but some old and outdated info can get you lost in the dust, so don’t get left behind my dear p.s. it was the 6day war (now compare that to the last one and tell me there is a difference in lossing and lossing!

^^ That is not romantic, that is ultimate nacasnimo, or better still shaaqo laan everything has limits and so does romance :rolleyes: Everything and anything is waali me thinks, especially as love is a temporary and passing emotion, to hook everything and anything on that one person is suicidal. And Romance has nothing to do with a Love factor, people can be romantic (or participate in romantic actions) without necessarily being in Love (NB: i'm not advocating for anything haram befor ey'lll jump me) :rolleyes:

I think we’ll just have to agree to disagree in that case, I think you look at life in general and events in a black and white, and we simply don’ have that simplicity in life, too many contributors can only mean too many conclusions. I’ll leave you with this: Consider the Israeli attack again, would I be correct in stating that although they may have “won” militarily, they lost he media and propaganda war, which in this day and society is as important as military strength. If you look at the political scene of the Jewish society (especially here in the UK) before the war and currently, you will notice many heads rolled due to this loss, which caused them to pull out and unnecessary grieve. As I already said a winner can only be determined after the total destruction of one (beyond repair/ recovery), everything else is chasing shadows for a day lool @kitkat.

Paragon Yes it is true that men and women distinguish things differently and the priority in determining things take different roots, but the end results and comprehension of situations are not too far from each other, If I follow your line of thought I can go as far as saying that since I can “put myself in their shoes” I am in a better position to understand, but I wills top short of that claim. You are only out of depth of understanding them, if you believe so, yes I “might” be more advantaged or equipped to understand them initially, but of course where there is a way there is a will and inevitable you will understand them. Your saying is not exclusive to men in Somali tradition either, it is a form of news gathering rather than a decoding sentence as you claim. War is the most effective tool to achieve results, if by results you mean total destruction and change then yes I agree, the results do not necessarily mean success, and if there is no success what is this “effectivity” you speak of? Impact yes, effective no, otherwise we would not have been witnessing some of the current events. Again you are wrong to assume someone must win? Really? Yes in the old days when one army totally destroyed the other and took over their land, enslaved them and started a whole new social society and breed, you can argue that, but people no longer fight the frontal assaults, where there had to be a winner. Now it is hard to distinguish who won and who lost, especially seen as there are so many things outside of weapons that contribute to it. For example in the recent Lebanon V Israel, there was two winners, from different perspectives: would you not agree? and you saw the consequences that followed!

Paragon Making the assumption that my eyes see things womanly is undermining my ability to rationally look at something and make decision on it, It is like me saying that a man cannot grasp his kids emotions because he looks at them with a male eyes, or that guys are not able to maintain friendship with females because they look at relationship in one dimensional view, I’m sure you will agree that both of these views are retarded to some extent. Theoretically, practically and physically it can be called anything but moving in harmony! Because politics is not concerned with harmony, but rather in discord. Yes war and peace are a factory of life, and sometimes war is need to achieve peace, while other times it is suitable to have war at the expensive of peace, I’m not an idealist nor do I think perpetual peace is possible, but spinning the hold realist vision is not without major gaping holes either. Historians documents can barley be considered as capturing the beauty of anything, if anything the spoil and distort based on their narrow views and defining cultures. I agree that the events are not beautiful, but nor are the result of politics, as those events are the direct result of politics.

loool NGong Bangladesh I hope not, I've lived with them all my life, I spent many years hating them! Paragon, I think maybe you are being a bit too natured to assume people declare enemies because of honour, Ideological yes it is different, you can even respect their perspective. But You know real life is different it is not a game, nor is it beauty, you should run for cover or hit back. All you have to do is look around the world, point out one conflict that reflects the beauty that you speak of? I don't think it takes courage to declare someone your enemy, in fact I can successfully argue that it is a cowardly thing to do, it reflects the lack of reason or conviction what you are proposing

^^In debates it can be entertaining to watch and challenging to participate in. However there will always be a need for closure or a middle ground, normal this becomes a new face of the argument which endorses arguments from both sides. In real life it kills a lot of people unnecessarily, people get carried away and forget all regard & consideration for life. I guess it comes down to what you are willing to die for. I'm suprised anyone will admire that let alone like it?

1-Ma naag aad adiga qabto ama guursatooo kuu og ninnimadaada, mise; 2-Naag aad iska qabtaan ama is guursataan oo dooneysa talada reerka in aad wada qaybsataan? That cracked me up! I say marry the one you get one with and adds something to your life.

Well it depends on how far you believe your argument can carry you, most people know whether their argument holds water or not, and they also know the strength & weakness of their arguments and the opposing argument, so they will not give you the opportunity to destroy them totally, you will always be head locked, but obviously one ideology is always more popular than the other depending on the era. If someone takes their Political views as their believes you will never convince them, rather like banging your head on a brick wall. But the solution is to find a middle ground and compromise (even amongst enemies) rather than push back into two extremes.

no more comment on you The Planet Pluto females (thats what i meant as well, what did you think... oh no you did not! :eek: On the issue of bullying females in politics into tears, I mean, it is politics. Ideational bullying is part and parcel of the game called debate, if you know what I mean . Sometimes, the art of politics involves the employment of many tools to defeat someone's point. A psychology and a great attention to detail can the opponents. You just have to place each word of your opponent is a context that is assured that make them sweat, in the middle of winter. Some females, instead of sweating, they cry, thats all. Nothing wrong with that. I kinda like seeing re-afirmation of human nature . Men fret when cought between a rock and a hard place and sweat Not necessarily one can always prove their argument logically without employing dirty tricks (assuming the person is not in the debate to con people in the first place) (Yes i know politics is the art of deception, but even so) You can employ as many tools as you want as long as they are necessary and relevant to the task, manipulation and psychological games only work for a miller second you throw the person of guard, once the person recovers and is on form, you will need something more solid for them to clutch their teeth on to if you are to convince them of your point of view. Cambaaro is going to kill me when she comes back.

^^NOPE I’m make sure no one discuss pointless topics, and speak randomly, just so you know how others feel when post all over their threads about something that is not related to it at all. And i was not asking about your age old man, you already said your age in Jac thread "how old are you" 51 something if i remember correctly Man_in_ Yaro they are not sick, in fact i have a funny feeling you understand where they are coming from perfectly fine In fact This is perfect example of jealousy

^^lool^ I clicked on it by mistake and was amazed when i read it (i thought my english was bad!) You reminded me i need to send you something!

^^^lool^ I'm sure they are, Bit too round I heard: In any case, emotional debates yes, I myself remember throwing a chair at a Nigerian guy in my second year on the onset of the Iraq war. So I can understand emotional charged debates but tears is another story, I suspect you bullied them into crying and I will stand by this! I agree with you on the Sunni/ Iranian issue, all Arabs seem to be paranoid about Iranians in general, I think it is deeply rooted in their shared/ hostile history, which even the younger generations seem to carry around. Bit like the Somali and Ethiopian, but a lot worse in many ways.

^^It must have been the seminar boring them to death then, if not the politics, I remember I use to get bored to tears in my British Politics class, by the third year it became sleep lecture. I still doubt you made then cry with a simple discussion about Politics :rolleyes: but then I can't comment on women in Planet Pluto

While men get frustrated, if you would call certain reactions I’ve seen acting frustrating then good luck to you. I've seen women that are band from speak to other male, and can't even go out with their female friends because of obsessive/ jealous man they had the misfortunate to get involved with :rolleyes: Hunguri, niinwaan miiyaad aahani, ciiyaal suuqniimad isska taa, maaxa kaa shaan iyo tooban aah, who is more jealous, everyone is different and reacts differently to diferrent situations.

^^what the hell did you tell them that made them cry? are you sure it was Politics?

^^YES: why have you posted this damn topic two times?? :rolleyes:

I Guess rudy is the only one left from this lot lool,

And they Say SOL has got worse, yeah right, loool

I gave up walahi, bt ofcourse I do make du'a for things to get better,,,and lets just wait and see how things turn out. But, lets not bother with all these debates as there is end to it, and certainly we can do more productive things w/ our time. I was not implying that people simply give up, i mean action and words should go together, there is no point in empty dua, Allah is not going to sort your problems out for you simple because everyone decided to give up, it does nto amek sense, everyone needs to find someway or another as well as make dua.

Originally posted by mantra: to the people who've answered so far, are we talking about how much money we're actually worth or how much we think we are worth, if someone could clarify that for me before I start pm'ing a few members, thank you looooooooooooool Kindly send me some please

You two have no shame, you even hijacked the SOL Awards 2007 POLL!!, what the hell :rolleyes:

^^^ Castro certainly but MMA normally speaks sentence-yaal la is daba dhigay

Yeah i found that as well a while back and lool i was wondering who said this That’s not Somenglish sxbow. You want inaa ku speakgareysid Somenglish? Waa inaad isku mix gareysaa, haddii kale it becomes sentence-yaal la is daba dhigay.” Ironically, all seem to be enjoying this discussion.

loooooooooooooooooooooooool that was som funny *shid* lool. I hope they are not really like that! loool or i'll have a hard time.