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The Zack;882473 wrote: I think G.Duke raised good and fair points here. 15 out of 16 districts in Xamar are governed by one sub-clan. On the top of that, that same sub-clan has their son as the mayor and governor of both the city and the state. I think that is unfair because as all know, there are over 4 clans that reside in Banadir. That is unfairness at its best. Wonder why that is so much ignored by many? Well said zack, These issues needs to be adressed, Tarzan needs to go Though historically the Bantus do not reside in xamar, neither does the D/M, Xamar is the historical deegaan of the banaadiri groups (shanta banaadiri) The city has also been the historical deegan of unuka groups. But demographics change, WIth the arrival of the italian colonialists in the 1900 and their choice of Xamar as the provincial colonial capital made all somalis migrate to Xamar, With independence and then with Jen.Siyaads urbanization campaigns made more somalis come to the capital. Even Xaaji Xunjufs were forced to come to the capital for simple things like passport renewal. Hey, zack, even our fellow brothers from dhagaxbuur were airlifted to baraawe to become fisherman in the famines of 1970-ties. Some are still there.. I believe this change was a positive thing, A cosmopolitan city with all somalis, what can be better?. I still dream back to those day, where my neighbors were somalis from different background. Laakin there is some loop holes in this whole federal constitutiont I sometimes feel that is something that been forced upon us. (farta waxaan ku taagay itoobiya). There are those who want us to belive that Xamar (the deegan) was some kind of artificial capital created by the somali state.This not true, the city existed before the independence and before the arrival of the colonialists. So whats the future? First of all the loop holes in these federal maamul fulaan needs to be adressed. Clan federalism with outlined borders has to end, Thats the most simple way to say it, Xamar is for all somalis. as every other city needs to be for all somalis

General Duke;882381 wrote: Let me correct you, the Bantu Clan as well as those from Bay & Bakool today are a large segment of Mogadishu. 2. The Marka clan also lives in Mogadishu, so are clans from Hiiraan, and other parts of Somalia. Why complain about Kismayu distribution when their population does not even have adequite representation in Mogadishu? 3. No one is against the sharing of Bosaso admin or Puntland's, and the new clans that have moved into Puntland will with time have adequite representation. Its their State as well. 1- Duke, deegaanka taarikhdiisa waa la kasaa, if large groups of bantu-descent or those from Bay and Bakool fled to Xamar does that mean that its theire historical deegaan Nevertheless, large migrations of people has allways occured, I am not against somali brothers regardless of theire clan moving to Xamar, but whats important is to adress the issue in its political core. Federalism has been misunderstood by some, its time to see the grave loop holes in it.

Xamar cadeey belongs to two primary groups, it belongs to the Banaadiri, and some of the unuka subclans The bantu groups live in jowhar and afgooye, not in xamar. If then unuka groups wants to claim it by force, we are most welcome to share it with all somali clans Laakin Duke, Boosaaso is now a commerical city with many diffirent somali clans, why not share that too? If kismaayu can be shared why not other cities... Federalism has it loop-holes but this issue needs to be adressed.

I slam is a tolerant religion, before the arrival of the wahabiyya , islam with its blend of somali culture was seen as something bringing together Somalis from various clans, the first pan-somali non clan settlements were made by the xerta, for exampe in baardheere. D-block, H-block and various other clans were living in those sufi settlements and clan was made i-relevanat, My point is that islam was not polarising as some want it to be today. As for atheists being in somalia, I have to say that they have always existed and will probably continue to exist, Their will always be people like our howling friend Apophis. What we need to do is exactly what showqi said, we need to leave it to god and even protect them from intolerant extremists For why did God create hell and a after life Rabbigooda aaba la xisaabtamayee maxaa idinka niga galay ? As long as they respect the social harmony and do not spread in-tolerance and kufr why should we be bothered by them? As for gaalo somalis, I need to remind you guys that one of the most nationalist somalis, Mikalel Maryama was a gaal and that didnt make him a enemey.

Mash Allah yaa carafaat, alle haa ka aqbalo, be sure to visit madinaa and nagu salaan xabiibka!

I dont want to be a pessimist but a clear answer to the question above is NO! As Baashi said, the government institutions are guarded by foreign troops, their is no Somali national army that can be trusted by the public, and as for Al-Shabaab their leaders and chain of command is still in Somalia....No one has been captured and trialed, this shows that that their is no judiciary court in Somalia as we speak. To be honest sometimes I feel that the whole somali government is built by bunch of cards, once you blow on it it collapses. As for the upcoming years, the great war on terror has officaly ended with the death of OBL. The American support (financial) for somalia intervention through its african (amisom) client army will soon end, so the big questiony Carafaat is, what will happen to tthe somali government once this support ends I might even suggest that we are entering a new somali civil war phase in southern Somalia. The politicians that hastily agreed to to the federal system without considering the segmental clanism has is now full opportunists that have turned the clan agenda into land grabbing! Some segments of somalis are nomads with no defined clan boundaries, once we start to land grabbing by declaring clan.-based regional states who will be the mediator in making real clan-borders? The clans are even themselves are divided? which sub-clan will have greater rights? Their are many somali towns that host different clans? Yaa sheegan karo these towns?. The upcoming years will determine how Somalia will be!

Che -Guevara;880393 wrote: Our IDPs need systemic rehabilitation and repatriation to their towns and village or integration in whatever their current location. We can't condemn to the peripheries and hope no one sees them. Well Che How will they rehabilitated if they get a monthly supply of free food and clothes?, Some people are as we are speaking now making journeys from baadiyaha to the capital just so they could have this "free" monthly supplies. I cant blame them for doing that that but this creates socioeconomial problems. I am not a die-hard capitalist but I do believe that this creates a culture non-productivity. As someone else said before these NGO-groups love refugee camps.

Jacpher;880167 wrote: ^ . You can't say no to Ethiopia and then say yes to Kenyan army marching down to the Somali streets and expect people to not challenge you.e. 1+

The whole kismaayo thing seems to be 1991-1998 replayed but edited. Same tape but with different actors!

Libax your very correct, Why would they move or try to be productive?, They get their monthly ration of food and clothes and sometimes even cash. I do not think that these people will move back to the outbacks of Somalia. This reminds me why Dhadhaab is one of the most biggest refugee camps. Every somali in those camps get a monthly ration of food, cooking oil and other basic stuff and a chance of relocation to europe/USA. But hey I dont blame them, I probably would have done the same lol:D

Walle, Obama must do it tonight, He must succeed in convincing the nation about his plans. If the debate ends up with how he performed last time Obama will loose the race. The man was a smooth talker what happend to him in the last debate?

Leezu I dont know what you are on, laakin ummadaas masakiinta ka har, They are Somalis and I consider them to be one of the most productive!, They work hard and are the bread basket of Somalia. Without them who could be beeraleey.?

Alle ha ku xafido Paragon, laakin Abtigiis is right on this, africa internet waa ka isticmaali kartaa;) Best of whishes!

oba, what do do? tarzan snatched those posts!:eek:

The Banaadiri people have allways been the most nationalistic somalis, they were the religious clerics and the diplmats, Why not the PM for them? They did not fir e a single shot during these 20 years!, and by banaadiri, i meaan the beelaha bandiiriga (from xamar to baraawe), Waa waqtigii qof reer banaadir u dhashay laga dhigi lahay R’iisul wasaaraha soomaaliya By Maxamed Cusman Cumar Qore Maxamed Cusman Cumar September 14, 2012 Somalia waxay u jeesatay dhanka aqoonta iyo oggolaashaha awooddii Odeyaasha Dhaqanka oo in muddo ah la aasay. Runtii isma lahayn si fudud ayaa looga dhaadhici karaa in ay ka tanasulaan xubin-nimadooda nuskii la go’aamiyay in laga saaro Baarlamaankii 500 ka badan xubin lahaa, inkastoo nuska haray loo qorsheeyay Aqalka Odeyaasha. Wax kasta waxaa sahal ka dhiga aqoonta la addegsanaayo, halkii qoriga la adeegdsan lahay. Maanta Baarlamaanka waxaa ku jira tiro badan ee Qurba Joogga Soomaaliyeed oo diyaar u ah in ay ka qayb qaataan dib-u-dhiska dalka. Inkastoo ay guusha Madaxweynenimada Soomaaliya ay raacday qof dalka deggan, haddana, Qurba-joog waaween oo sumcad ku leh dalalka Europe iyo Marakanka ayaa ka qayb qaatay doorashada Madaxweynaha dalka oo lagu qabtay Muqdisho maalintii 10 September 2012. Hawshaas si fiican ayay ku dhamaatay, waxaanna la doortay Mudane Xasan Shaikh Maxamuud in uu noqdo madaxweynaha afarta sano ee soo socota. Doorashadaan waxaa ka horeysay doorashada Guddoomiyaha iyo Guddoomiye ku-xigeenada Baarlamaanka oo iyagana si demoqradi ah loo doortay. Intii sano ee la soo dhaafay ma dhicin in Soomaaliya ay yeelatay hoggaan heerkooda aqooneed sidaan u sareeya. Sidaas darteed rajada ummadda Soomaaliyeed ay qabaan waxay tahay in halkii ay qabiil iyo quursi u addegsan jireen ay u adeegsadaan aqoon iyo is-tixgelin. Dawlad nimada intii nala siiyay waxaa laga joogaa 52 sano - 1960-2012 -. Nus qarnigaas, dalka waxaa maamulkiisa soo haayay qabaa’ilka lagu tilmaamo inay yihiin kuwa sar-sare, ama ha noqdeen Madaxweyne ama Ra’iisul Wasaare. Calaamadaha aan arkeyno waxay muujinaayaan in qaranka Soomaaliyeed uu u bislaaday is beddel xagga siyaasada in uu sameeyo. Runtii marar badan ayan maqlay Soomaalida qaar ka mid ah oo leh in ay fiicnaan lahayd hoggaanka dalka in loo dhibo Reer Banaadir, oo wax dad kale leeyahay damac ka galaynin, iskaba daa, wax dawlad leedahay oo ummadda oo dhan ka dhexeeyo oo ishooda ku soo haayaan. Wax kasto mar ayuu bilaawdaa, is-beddelna, si lama filaan ama si kale ayay ku yimaadaan. Madaxweynaha cusub, Guddoonka Baarlamaanka cusub, Xubnaha cusub oo barlaamaankaan hadda furmay ku soo biiray oo ay u badan yihiin dad aqoon leh oo ku soo barbaaray; wax ku soo bartay waxna ku baraayo mujtamac aan is takoor lahayn oo runtii bogga ay maanta u fureen is-beddelka taariikhiga ah in Ilahay ka dhigo mid ku sajilan bilawgii dhammaadka dhibaatadii ay ummadda Soomaaliyeed soo martay lixdankii sano ee la soo dhaafay. Si is-beddelka taariikhiga ah u dhameystirmo waxaa loo baahanyahay in Ra’iisul Wasaaraha cusub laga dhigo qof “u dhashay” Reer Banaadir – dadka loo yaqaan – Asligii. Si waxaan oo wada cusub loo soo dhoweeyay, ayaa loo soo dhoweyn lahay Ra’iisul Wasaare oo laga magacaabo qowmiyadda Reer Banaadir. Iyagoo ay iga mudan yihiin ixtiraam iyo sharaf weyn, waxay ila tahay, iyadoo la dar-yeelaayo danta guud ee dalka iyo dadka Soomaaliyeed, oo xaqana ay wada gaarto dhammaan Soomaalida in markaan mansabka ama xilka Ra’iisul Wasaaraha aan loo dhiibin qof ka mid ah dadkii horey u soo qabtay. Waa hubaal haddii qof Reer Banaadir ah lagu aamino hawshaas in si habsami ah uu u gudan doono waajibkiisa qaran dalkana ku maamuli doono sinnaan iyo cadaalad. Lixdan sano ku dhowaad ayaa laga joogaa inta aan sheeganayno dawladnimo. Ma jiraan, haba yaraatee, wax lagu amaani karo dadkii ilaa hadda dalka soo maamulay? Sababaha waxay u badan yihiin in dadka loo magacaabay Ra’iisul Wasare aysan lahayn awood uu xitaa booqasho hawleed ugu tago meelo ka mid ah dalka gudahiisa iyadoo loo aaneynaayo xiriirka ka dhexeeyo qabiilkiisa iyo qabaa’ilka deggan meelaha kale oo aan fiicneen. Reer Baanaadir waa wadani, waa daacad iyo in uu wax dhiso ma ahee, wax ma dumiyo. Soomaalida kale cid aan lagu dayin hawshaas ma jiraan ilaa hadda oo waxii ay dalka u soo qabteen natiijadiisa ma qarsana, micnaa waa “Eber” ama “Zero”. Dhanka nabaddana, Reer Banaadir cid ay cadaw la yihiin ama col ka yihiin ma jiraan. Sidaas darteed, madaama uu qof kasta wada hadal la yeelan karo Ra’iisul Wasaare reer Banaadir ah sida ugu sahlan ayuu u keeni karaa nabadda uu shacabweynaha Soomaaliya u baahanyahay si uu noolashiisa u hor-mariyo iyo ilmahiisa u korsado. Madaama uu dalkenna maraayo duruufo adag, suurto gal ma aha in hoggaanka uu ku dhex wareego isla dadkii lixdan sano wax natiijo wax-ku-ool ah ummadda tusi waayay. Waxaan Mudane Madaxweyne Xasan Shaikh Maxamuud u soo jeedinaayaa in uu siiyo tixgelin gaar ah fikraddaan ah in uu Ra’iisul Wasaaraha cusub ka dhigo qof Reer Banaadir u dhashay. Waa hubaal in 100% qaranka Soomaaliyeed, gaar ahaan wakiiladooda ku jira Baarlamaanka ay gacmo furan ku soo dhoweynaayaan go’aan noocaan ah oo noqon doono mid taariikhi ah. Waxaan rajeynaa in boggaan cusub oo bilawday 10kii Sebtember 2012 uusan noqon boggii kowaad ee 20ka sano soo socda oo sida kuwii hore oo burbur ma ahee aan barwaaqo u keenin dalka iyo dadka Soomaaliyeed. Laga soo bilaabo 1949 waxaa ii soo baxay in 20 sano walba ama ku dhowaad, in dalka lala degay oo dumis ma ahee aan daryeel dhicin: 1950-1969 (19 sano) siyaasadda Soomaaliyeed waxaa faraha ku haayay AFIS/SYL. Laga soo bilaabo 1969-1991 (22 sano) Maamulkii Military ayaa gacanta ku haayay. Sannadahii 1991-2012 (21 sano) Dagaal Oogeyaal iyo Dawlado kmg ayaa soo haayay. Bishaan Sebtember 12, 2012, waxaa bilawday 20kii sano oo magaca iyo sumcadda Soomaaliyeed dib loogu soo celin lahay, haddii Shacabka Soomaaliyeed uu helo hoggaan wax garad ah oo ugu shaqeeyo si haggar la’aan. Madaxweynaha cusub Mudane Xasan Shaikh Maxamuud waa in uu noqdaa nin geesi ah oo u daneenayno ummadda iyo dalka Soomaaliyeed si ay gaaraan bash-bash iyo barwaaqo asiga oo miiska soo saaraayo Card-ka aan weli la isticmaalin oo ah in uu Magacaabo Ra’iisil Wasaare oo Reer Banaadir u dhashay.

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Congrats Narnia!

Qalad qof ma ka dhicikaro ? Come on macsuumin yaanan lis ka dhigin Ednas clannish remarks were sad and I hope that the lady doesnt sink into those murky waters, her remarks made me really go" meeshaas ha tagin,,, and made me some what confused, why would an respcted old somali lady go publick and trash her own somali brothers infront of eurpoeans? But many thousands of somali children have been nourished through her materinity hospital I think no somali is hidden from the green clan-monster we have in our selves , sometimes it jumps and hurls its monsterish green remarks, I am the first to say that I sometimes train this green monster to be quit in some situations. Marka Habartaaani ha liska dhaafo.

Alle ha u naxariisto, I remember seing him in 2003 in Sweden, very polite and funny man! I

I should have clarified the meaning "gaalo", It does have some religious meaning , but I mean it more in a cultural way. Apohis- They probably do have some opinions regarding me, but I am not so blunt to ask them that, most of them are nice but they do have a terrible aspects. Waxaan soo xasuusta when I was new to the workplace and broke some un-known social traits, After a few weeks on the job a swedish co-worker came to and started to backbite her fellow co-worker whom she had worked with for more then 15 years! Shocked by it I said to her "why are you backbiting your fellow co-worker that you have known so many years". The lady stared at me finished her cigarette and went away! Sanad xataa ilama hadlin, Alpha--- regarding your categories of whites I must agree with you, the most ignoranty ones are those who come from the working class and can not accept a black guy being their boss/team leader or more knowledgeable Jacaylbaro, shukaansiga ha dambeeye habro pension gaaray maxaa u sheege?

How do you interact with your gaalo-co workers? I am the kind of person in my work-place that says nothing and just smiles and gives short answers when interacting with my gaalo-co workers. They say that your workplace is a second marriage and your co-workers your second wives So have you had an annoying co-worker that you just wanted to slap in the face? I usually shunn away conflicts and that has worked for me. The only thing that bothers me in my work-place is that I have worked with same people for 4-5 years. We all know everything about each other and no one has nothing to say.

I dont know, but why would a starving nation buy airplanes for millions of dollars, Should you not do it back ways? Feed the people and then if they can sustain themselves buy airplanes. Sheekadi Angola camal waaye, chinese building high buildings while the people are living in poverty.

Think about the CHILDREN! For gods sake think about the CHILDREN! As usall the discussion about intra-racial marriages comes to existense, My personal opinon is, why complicate things, Some think that marriage is two persons joining each other into a single unit, but in our cultures it's actually two families being a unit If I would i have been married to a white lady, Could I expect her to care of my aging mother?, the second thing is ofcourse from a religous perspective, Let's say a a guy converts to islam and in a few months turns into a bearded taliban and marries a somali woman. They are married for three years and then gets divorced, Yaa og in uu ninka gaalinimadiisa ku noqonkarin They guy might end back to his gaalo days, and voila! You have children that visit his gaal father every sunday and saturday and eats bacon with him. The child then comes back to you on normal days and eats halal meat? These examples might be the worst ones, But atleast if someones gets divorced his/her children has cultural religous family units to count on.! Marka dhalinyaro ha fududaanina Guursada waxaad taqaantid and wax ku yaqaano.

Okey! 3:38 minutes of my life was wasted, though it was funny;)