Men of honour don't start fighting among women and children only to have them razed to dust by an air force and then use it as a pretext for secession. :eek:

If people cared, they'd find it themselves, all I need to do is type it in Google and it pops up. This shows that people don't care, but they care about impeding peace. Thanks for proving me right again.

Not the 2010 one. The constitution is basically not in one form yet, it's in different stages right now, but a draft of the official one has been released, not the final.

A draft has already been released so calm down.

I'm starting to worry about your mental health.

The game being played by Somaliland regarding getting support from sympathetic clans is too late, they should have done this at the latest in 2009. The international community has set its foot behind Puntland instead of Somaliland when it comes to the politics of Mogadishu which was one of the great failures of their icon Egal who wanted isolationism.

There could be but they are either occupied by Al-Shabaab and Somaliland or they can't unite. Don't blame Puntland, the fact that the TFG has survived is a miracle, which other entity has devoted this much to the federal government? Ilaahi in aad ka baqdid baa fiican, xaasidnimada adiga la kaa arko waa mid aan wiligey arkin.

Mukulaalow;825047 wrote: after 21 years waxay aheyd inaad tiraahdaan waxaa na aqoonsatay UN, NATO, ARAB LEAGUE, AFRICAN UNION, ISLAMIC CONFERENCE, EU. instead I am hearing waxaa na aqoonsatay ASWJ, XimanXeeb, Malaaq Yaanyuuow, iwm. I see SL back peddling. Exactly! @Xaaji, Galmudug is not recognized yet, it is recognized when it fulfils the requirements of the Garowe Principles which has said it will give it the capacity to fulfil it. Get your facts straight as usual.

Give me one of these "dozens" of arguments.

^^ Rich you are the one accusing others of impeding development and progress when you are against the constitution. How the hell is Puntland blocking your progress, because you are absolute failures in bringing peace to that region it is Puntland's fault? No one is going to teach you how to do politics and tying yourself with a known thief and opportunist will be your pitfall, just don't blame others for your failures.

Actually it's just 1 clan that has taken different names, Ximan and Xeeb, Galmudug and ASWJ do not even make up a federal state. That's like me announcing I support Somaliland region...

No, this is the tribe of Hassan Dahir Aweys, the Al-Shabaab member and former leader of Islamist Group Al-Itihad. For more information on Hassan Dahir Aweys go to his Wikipedia page. He is believed to have been involved in the 1998 embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania.

uchi;825018 wrote: I don't get it, what is his job exactly? Where was he when they made it? This is embarrassing~ He's a walking moron. This is the same man that met with one that said that the man in Dire Dawa is closer to him than the one in Mogadishu.

Mario B;825014 wrote: Then Puntland should amend their constitutions, i have had enough of this double speak. They don't need to amend it when this one overrides it. Do you need me to speak in another language for you to understand?

Mario B;825005 wrote: That's why the south are refusing the draft consitution. Puntland have there own constitution that will keeps out other Somalis and the 100m Chinese...unless they are migrant workers This constitution overrides that of Puntland, get your facts straight.

Mukulaalow, there will be assassinations across Mogadishu when it is being ratified, it is very predictable and it will be blamed on Al-Shabaab. Just watch.

Loooool, Yalaxow, one of the great minds of the country. They are picking and choosing nonsense arguments. Anyone who tries and argue a point similar to this should get his head examined.

Faarah, the problem isn't with the constitution, their real problem is the road map. However, they can't object to it seeing as various factions have endorsed it and the international community has gone to support it. This is their way of objecting to the whole notion of federalism since they can't unite on the ground.

I don't even get it. However, Che, do you not feel that it is sad that people are holding back a piece of paper without knowing what it means? I bet they don't even know that the future will depend on the original 18 states. If men like Indhacade and others make a maamul, let them make a maamul but these men who are not even capable of uniting a couple of cities want to hold back the rest of Somalis without even telling us which part of the constitution they object to, is not right. We aren't living by the gun anymore, it's the brain now. And what it shows us is that the spoilers to their core do not want peace because peace means the restoration of order, the reallocation of stolen properties and end to the illegal activities.

kingofkings;824868 wrote: ^^^ @ these two people Khaatumo is angry Maakhir rejected them.

If we look at this in the best context we still end up with the same conclusion, we are dealing with can only be described as a primitive people. A set of fundamental principles is nothing more than how a state should be governed. Instead of debating how it should be govern, we have been cursed with a people who outright reject rule of law. Who rejects a constitution without reading it, without even knowing what it is? The rejection stems out of the illegal and immoral lifestyle some of these people have become used to. It is out of nothing more than self interest by which they want to drag the country down with them. Today we learn what we always knew that the constitution which so many warlords and thieves have rejected hasn't even been released. The meaning of 'we reject it' is we don't want peace. Lets look at one of the distinguished people who have rejected this to form a conclusion of their motives. 1. Yusuf Indhacade. The UN report emphasizes that Mr. Indha Cadde uses modern techniques of crop production to produce the drug, and employs skilled agriculturists to grow high yielding and potent marijuana which he then exports to the local and international markets. Worst he confiscated these farms from their rightful owners who used to grow and export crops such as bananas and grape fruits that were providing employment and earning hard currency for the nation. http://wardheernews.com/Editorial/editorial_26.htm As for the ones that claim the 1960s one is good, we aren't living in the 1960s, we are in the year 2012. Let me get a calender for you. We have a Transitional Federal Government, the key word in their is federal, and this constitution will be adjusted to coincide with it. If you actually listen to the people editing it who released a similar one in 2010, it's based on the 1960s which you can compare to it. So in conclusion if this isn't passed it means we don't want peace and I believe it is in the interest of the Somali people to just part waya since peace won't come any time soon. Just think for a minute, a child who was 9 years old then is now 30 years old and people are still attempting to spoil peace. Waa wax laga yaabo.

^^ Yes, nice comeback, Faroole doesn't deal with the 21st century even though he has moved on and established peace and prosperity for his people, now that he extends it to you, you slap the hand that wants to feed you. Liibaan, when is Laascaanood coming back?

^^ This is what we are dealing with in the 21st century.

^^ LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL attack on freedom of speech.. Based on what statistics have the "majority" rejected this? Just because Khaliif Galayr and the moryaan companions have rejected it doesn't mean it won't get passed. In fact, Liibaan, tell us what you and your thief reject, which articles?

If this fails, his presidency has failed. This two time hypocrite only has the road map left.