^Arsenal could have won that game even when 4-2 down you had a least 3 very chances. Southern fairies don't like up norf The Prem is back!

Originally posted by The_Siren: Nadan- Aaah! *points a finger in the air* now I understand your meaning... So what you and Johnny boy were saying is that if let us say generally the responsibility of proving ones faith lies with the original claimers surely if they are unable to prove anything (qauntifiable)would it be a rationally reasonable option (at that precise time) to not accept their word until further evidence is provided? Hmmm...Now I see what you mean it doesn seems a rather reasonable enough attempt to simplify things I suppose if not a little closed off and compartmentalised. I mean there are things within this universe that are unexplained-would it truly be that bad to listen to all views, assess them individually and if there is no clear answer leave a question mark on it instead of boxing it into the skeptical "bollocks" category Otherwise we become subject to not only a culturally acceptable arroagance but ignorance in the face of unaswered gaps. An example of such a rationality led to the idea that the earth was flat-until proven otherwise, that genetics does not occur via a system of "blending~" infact but mendelian genetics. So you see if they (the scientific ie somewhat rational community) can be wrong? Then so can you... All I propose is that people keep an open mind and leave aside any presumptuous notions without either the evidence to support or negate it. Its rather simple. I guess people in general are not happy with leaving questions marks all over the place and wish instead to fill the gaps within their understing-for what purpose I don't know.In pursuit or the truth? Or as a result of the basic forms of human self preservation? *Shrugs* Perhaps? Who knows.. Ps GG LOL-Sister if you'll permit me to give you one piece of advice try not to provide religious answers to those who are not "religous" in the form of I.e telling them of the maricles within the Quran when they most likely don't accept the Quran as a historically acceptible document anyway. Right or wong...it would save you a lot of time arguing. Try to find a common ground for which discussions can commense without it coming to blows-with another person sprouting verses from the quran. Wonderful and rather lovely do I find these verses yes... but others? I doubt it would be of relevance to them. Ps 2. I didn't even get to watch District 9-Totally pissed. Perhaps this eve? But should the claimer be required to provide proof to an Atheist??? An Agnostic maybe, but to someone who has gone past that stage and is a full blown Atheist (who says there in NO God)? I don't think so. The onus is on the Atheist.

I FASTED AND PRAYED FOR THREE DAYS BEFORE I CONTACT YOU TO BE MY PARTNER.

Yemen is facing a refugee tide SANA'A // It took Ibida Abdi Abdullah two months to make the journey from her home in Mogadishu through the hostile terrain of north Somalia into Djibouti, and then onto a fishing boat that took her across the Gulf of Aden to Yemen. She had arrived three days earlier but the exhaustion was still written on her face and she could barely speak more than a few words as she lay on a mattress in a cramped room in Sana’a which she shares with two other women from her tribe. Ms Abdullah, 30, is among the first trickle of a tidal wave of refugees who are expected in the next few months to wash up on Yemen’s shores from the Gulf of Aden as the annual smuggling season begins again. “The fighting was very bad and I left my five-month-old daughter with my mother,” she said. “She is penniless. I feared we would all die. One of us had to leave to save the others.” Somalia is in the grip of the worst humanitarian crisis it has experienced in the past 18 years, during which time the country has been in a state of continuous fighting. In May, two heavily armed insurgent groups began shelling Mogadishu, the capital, as part of a major operation to drive out the internationally backed government of the president Sheikh Sharif Ahmed. Since then approximately 250,000 civilians have lost their homes. Tens of thousands have made their way to the northern port city of Bossaso, staying in cardboard shacks as they wait for the seasonal tide to fall and the sea to become more accessible to smugglers who can take them to Yemen in metal boats for US$100 (Dh368) a ticket. The smugglers, who moonlight as pirates, tell frightened passengers they are going to Dubai and when they reach Yemen they tell them Dubai lies just beyond the mountain ranges. Yemen is braced for an arrival of up to 20,000 refugees in the coming months. The United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) has opened a transit centre in Mayfa’a Hajar near the coast and established a presence through partners near the Bab al Mandab strait on the Red Sea. “We’re expecting a lot of them because things are deteriorating more and more in Somalia,” said Hisham Sharaf Abdalla, the vice minister of planning and international co-operation. “It’s a big burden on our social services and security services. We don’t get anything ... to spend on refugees. In the last five years the foreign minister has asked for direct support but nothing has been given. There is pressure on electricity and water which is scarce.” Yemen gives Somali refugees the right to attend state schools and receive medical attention at public hospitals. The estimates of how many Somalis are in Yemen vary wildly from 150,000, which is the official figure, to 800,000. Last year, 50,000 arrived, a 70 per cent increase from the previous year. Many do not stay for more than a few nights in refugee camps, the largest of which is in Kharaz, west of Aden, run by the UN. “Most are using Yemen as a transit centre to other countries. The majority go to Saudi Arabia,” said Yasser Mubarak of Oxfam. “They collect money and send it back. Most don’t want to stay in refugee camps because they are running from war and if they go to a camp they will only get food.” The vast majority of refugees end up in the urban centres, Sana’a in particular, to find jobs and send remittances home to relatives who are stranded with little help from aid organisations that are refusing to work in Somalia because of the violence. “The refugee camps won’t give me money so I arrived in Sana’a,” said Ms Abdullah. “My little daughter is waiting for me, I must send her remittances so she can stay alive. I’m relying on Allah. I have nothing else. My husband divorced me.” She hoped to get a job as a maid earning about $100 a month. The women do better than men who typically work as car washers or porters earning a few dollars a day. There are very few organisations in Yemen to help the vulnerable but in July, a group of Somali community leaders opened a small centre in Sana’a, the first of its kind. “We don’t have any budget, no wages,” said Shuayb Sheikh Ibrahim, a volunteer, speaking by candlelight because there was no money for electricity. “It is desperate but we are happy to help our people whatever way we can. Right now we can only direct them to their own tribes to help them. And hope that they will.” Nearly every day since the beginning of September, Mohammed Ali Hersi, a Somali tribal elder, has received a knock on the steel gate of his house from refugees, most of them young people in search of food and shelter. During Ramadan the burden on Mr Hersi has been even greater as he has been providing the refugees with iftar and sohour meals. “The majority you see here live on money sent from their relatives living abroad in European countries and America. But I am also responsible for them and cannot send them away.” Half a dozen young men crowded around the tablecloth on the floor breaking the fast with spicy beef samosas and fruit juice as the maghreb call to prayer rang out. “I was a student back home and came here to continue my high school,” said Mohammed Abdel Rahman, 26. “If I had the chance I would go to a western country; I don’t want to stay here, I can’t find a job.” His friend Abdel Razak, 26, agreed. “It is hard in the West but I’d like to struggle and bring myself up,” said Mr Razak, who is waiting for a smuggler to bring him to Europe. “I will come back with a western passport and be respected. They will say, ‘You are British? A westerner?’ And I will be an important person.” These young men and women like Ms Abdullah are the lucky ones. The cargoes of human misery that wash up on the long and lawless coast of Yemen have uncomfortable echoes of the slave ships, with men and women piled up on top of each other on two-metre long boats fitted with small engines. Many women are raped while others are thrown overboard by ruthless smugglers before reaching the coast to avoid being detected by Yemeni patrol boats. In the last week of August two small vessels that tried to get a head start on the season were caught in high waves and capsized, killing 16 passengers. Yemen’s coastguard cannot do much. It has about eight boats to patrol 2,500km of shoreline. “The smugglers are criminals in the full definition of the word criminal,” said Samer Haddadin, a UNHCR protection officer. “A woman told the story of her child crying and the smuggler had a headache so he took the child and threw him into the sea. A man next to the woman said ‘haram’ [forbidden] and he was executed on the spot.” Many of the smugglers are the same pirates who attack the ships that traverse the Gulf of Aden, one of the world’s busiest shipping corridors now protected by Operation Atalanta, the European Union’s new antipiracy naval force, which is expanding every month. Switzerland is the latest country to join the operations. The European and American ships which are protecting commercial vessels from pirates – there have been 138 attacks so far this year of which 33 were successful – do not have a mandate to help the refugees. Instead they escort the World Food Programme ships on their way to Somalia to feed 1.5 million people there who are in need of food aid. Sadat Yousef Ghaish, a long-term refugee in Yemen, said he had learnt to expect nothing from the international community. “There are three cases of pirating and the international community is angry for one sake, to protect its economic interests. But thousands of Somalis will die in the Gulf of Aden.” Mr Hersi had a more cynical assessment of why more assistance was not forthcoming to Yemen. “In the Horn of Africa there are people starving. If they heard there is good assistance in Yemen by the UN, the government, whoever, that Red Sea would become a black sea, do you know what I mean? There would be a rush here. Millions will come, I know that. It is like a lock that cannot be opened.” hghafour@thenational .ae http://www.thenation al.ae/apps/pbcs.dll/ article?AID=/2009091 2/FOREIGN/709119775

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Originally posted by NGONGE: quote:Originally posted by Norfsky: quote: Originally posted by *Ibtisam: LOOOOL @ Ngonge. I posted a picture of your home town Ngonge and North noticed, while you missed it instead commenting on my feet :eek: so you really cannot talk. Ma Jaamac Qamar? Actually it's Qabar not Qamar. And this girl's memory is rubbish anyway. It was I who pointed it out to you.

Habeenkiiba dambaba meher ayaa qac laga siiyey

^Is it 23 at ELM?

Originally posted by *Ibtisam: LOOOOL @ Ngonge. I posted a picture of your home town Ngonge and North noticed, while you missed it instead commenting on my feet :eek: so you really cannot talk. Ma Jaamac Qamar?

Originally posted by Legend of Zu: quote:Originally posted by Thierry.: I have got to tip my hat to the Emirates, from dust to skyscrapers in less than 20 years. Yeah and the last 20 years Somalis were killing each other, duke and his counterparts were arguing about whose uncle has killed more than the others PS: I remember when I went to Dubia early this year the Met was under construction and I was wondering when are they gonna complete it Salaamatun There is a station close to where you was staying [Al Rigga].

^We won a big job this week to work on NYU's Abu Dhabi Campus (hope they don't try and send me there). ps who was Haruun El Rasheed?

^The place is less than 40 years old saxib. They have out-done many developed nations in that space of time.

Why stay away?? Why not do a protest against them?

Man City 1 Arsenal 1 Spurs 0 Man Utd 1

^Japanese made. Did some walking inside stations and along platforms as well standing for 30 mins. Forgot what it was like. Still tired!

^Apologies for my bluntness which got you sulking. Didn't realise I had to be nice for you to only give us your 'rational' argument again. Johnny: I don't believe in God. Norf: Why? J: Because it's unprovable. N: So how did you come to live? J: Erm, evolution. N: That hasn't been proven yet. In fact, there are a number of holes in that argument. J: I know but I'm being rational in my argument. :confused: Where is Raamsade?

SZR

Burj Al Arab Burj Dubai

^Just goes to show how much it has developed over the years. Shuuf shuuf ya Ngonge. This pm's pics All aboard DXB Landscpe Twisted building Shiekh Zayed Road Buildings Safa Park (footy base) New Mosque

^Dhagaxaan baa meesha yaali jirey miya? Let me post today's metro ride bal,,,

^No. Their choice.

^Women only section included.

^Taken last night. Today

Meel waalan! CAIRO // Police were reported to have arrested more than 150 people on charges they were not fasting during the day – even though eating, drinking or smoking publicly during Ramadan is not a punishable offence under Egyptian law. Egypt’s interior ministry has not confirmed the reports published in several local newspapers in the past few days, but the reported arrests have been roundly condemned by both Christians and Muslims. At least 155 people were arrested in Aswan, in upper Egypt. On Tuesday, Mamdouh Ramzi, a Coptic lawyer, submitted an appeal to the interior ministry demanding an investigation into reports that police officers in Aswan, Hurghada – a tourist resort on the Red Sea – and Dakahliya province have been chasing and arresting people suspected of not abiding by Ramadan fasting. He urged the ministry “to send those police officers to a fair trial before Egypt becomes another Taliban”. An estimated 10 per cent of Egypt’s 80 million population is Christian, the majority of them Orthodox Copts. Many Muslims have also raised concern over the report. “These people don’t know that there are non-Muslims in Egypt? They have the right to eat and drink wherever they want without being afraid of being arrested and questioned,” said Islam Hamed, 35, an accountant with an oil company. “Why force people to fast? Fasting is a special relationship between the individual and his God,” said Malika Hassan, 20, a psychology student. Rights groups accused the authorities of pandering to Islamists. “This is competing with other Islamic groups in society and reveals that extremism has reached some policemen,” said Gamal Eid, a lawyer and director of the Arab Network for Human Rights. “Citizens have the right to observe Ramadan or not, even taking into accounts the feelings of others. “It’s up to each individual. There is no penal code for these things, and no one has the right to enforce it on others or punish them for not doing so.” Novelist Sahar el Mougy, in a column in the independent Masry al Youm newspaper, said the authorities had no mandate over moral issues. “There is no legal basis for this bizarre behaviour, and no logic can justify these practices that are scaring Egyptians,” she wrote. “Those arrests pose questions: have the Egyptian police finished arresting criminals and now are dedicated to the inquisition of good morals, similar to the inquisition in Europe in the Dark Ages?” Another columnist said the arrests smacked of religious policing. “There is no specialised police force in Egypt to implement hodoud [islamic legal punishments] like other countries,” Mohammed Hamdi wrote in the state-owned daily Rose el-Youssef on Monday. “The big problem is that those policemen are violating the law by such arrests instead of enforcing it, which could eventually lead to the collapse of the rule of law.” Clerics at Al Azhar, Sunni Islam’s highest seat of learning, and with the religious affairs ministry, supported the campaign of detaining and punishing those who eat, drink and smoke in public during fasting hours and demanded the government issue a law to this effect. They condemned criticism by secular writers and human rights groups. “People are free not to fast, but privately; doing so in public is not a matter of personal freedom, but it reveals contempt for those who are fasting, for Ramadan and for the fasting as an obligatory religious duty,” said Sheikh Abdel Moati Bayoumi, a member of the Islamic Research Centre, the highest legal branch of Al Azhar. “We believe in the freedom of worship and rituals and that no one should be forced to practise them. However, going public by not fasting is a sin, therefore, they should be punished,” said Sheikh Salem Abdel Gelil, the deputy of the ministry. “There should be a law to criminalise breaking the fast publicly in Ramadan in Egypt.” http://www.thenation al.ae/apps/pbcs.dll/ article?AID=/2009091 0/FOREIGN/709099831

Looking forward to some good views of the city later on IA :cool: