Johnny, all I want is for you to prove to me human evolution led to your existance. Leave out the usual exess baggage (irrelevance)you are only too willing to throw into your debates. If you can't prove anything then Raamsade try. I'm confident he can at least give us more to chew on.

^ah. Welcome Johnny. I knew the repeated requests for proof would bring you out sometime. Are you saying your money is counterfeit? Are you saying you can't prove anything to me????? Are you up to it this time around or should we expect more theory dolled up as fact? The floor is yours gents.

^So what did people before mukayifs? Not fast? LooL

Ngonge, lol. I'm on my to Safa park for a quick game. Shall I seek a fatwa for me to avoid dehydration?? Originally posted by NGONGE: Do you have airconditioning in your office, warya? Yes. It gets so cold I have a jumper in there

Meel waalan! Fasting exemption for football team kicks off debate in Egypt CAIRO // A surprising fatwa from one of Egypt’s top religious institution allowing the national football team to abstain from fasting before a decisive match tomorrow has generated debate about the role of religious edicts in the minutiae of daily life. The president of the Egyptian Football Association, Samir Zaher, said in a press statement that the players apparently had agreed not to fast on match day after Dar al-Iftaa issued religious edicts before Ramadan on the subject. “If the player has no choice but to play matches in Ramadan, and thinks that fasting will influence his performance, he has a licence to break his fast in this case,” said the fatwa posted on Dar al-Iftaa’s website. “This is concerning matches that the player has to play, but training sessions should be at night, so the player can fast,” added the statement. Equally respected clerics have loudly opposed the ruling. “This is rude,” said Sheikh Farahat el-Mongy, a senior scholar at the prestigious al Azhar university in Cairo, in a lecture earlier this week at al-Rawad sport club, east of Cairo. “God allowed the sick, pregnant, breast feeding or menstruating women to break their fast,” continued Sheikh Mongy in the lecture, which was posted on the internet, “God said nothing about allowing football players to break their fast.” “I totally oppose this fatwa, as most religious leaders are against it,” said Khaled Tawhid, a deputy editor of Al-Ahram el-Riyadi, the sports magazine of the oldest and largest state-owned daily. “I wish Dar al-Iftaa hadn’t involved itself in issuing this fatwa, as superfluous fatwas are adding to people’s confusion...,” said Karam Gabr, the board chairman of Roselyoussef, a state-owned and pro-government daily. “This fatwa opens the door to many questions: Does it apply to all matches or only the upcoming match? Does it apply to handball and basketball matches as well? What happens if, God forbid, the national team lost while its players are not fasting?” Mohammed Aboutrika, the star midfielder of the team, who is known to be very religious, has insisted he will continue fasting, even on the match day against Rwanda. The team’s director, Hassan Shehata, also told local papers that many players were intending to fast. Egyptians are obsessed with football, and wining international matches can seem a matter of life or death. “This is a ****** fatwa, why would football players break their fast to play 90 minutes match, while Egyptians fought Israelis and crossed the Suez Canal while they were fasting in 1973 war,” said Mohamoud Awad, 25, who is a staunch fan of the national team. “Besides, there is no need to break their fast, as they are not going to make it to the finals anyway, so they shouldn’t use fasting as a pretext or excuse,” he added. Egypt is three points behind Algeria in their qualifying group after three rounds of matches. Egypt must win in order to have a chance to qualify for the World Cup finals in South Africa next year. Prominent cartoonist Amr Selim, in Al Masry Al Youm, drew two sheikhs from Dar al-Iftaa, one of them telling the other that this fatwa “is better of two evils: When 11 players break their fast is better than 80 million losing their faith while watching the match”. Dar al-Iftaa and senior clerics from other institutions are also involved in a controversial fatwa exhorting Muslims not to listen to recordings of the Quran in public. Sheikh Gamal Qutb, who led a fatwa committee at al Azhar, said: “Listening to the Quran in public and crowded places is dealing chaotically with the holy book and implies lack of respect.” Sheikh Qutb complained that Muslims who play the Quran loudly on microphones at funerals or from taxis are imposing on other people by forcing those who are doing other things to choose between listening to the Quran or ignoring it. Dar al-Iftaa announced its rejection of this fatwa by reposting on its website an opposite fatwa that it had issued five years ago. “If some Muslims played the Quran while they are busy with their work without intentionally meaning to ... distract other Muslims from listening, there is nothing religiously wrong with that,” said the fatwa. Many commentators in the press have taken issue with the proliferation of small scope fatwas. Mr Gabr, of the Roselyoussef daily, complained that “the machines of issuing fatwas are working day and night non-stop and are surrounding people while they are awake or asleep”. http://www.thenation al.ae/apps/pbcs.dll/ article?AID=/2009090 4/FOREIGN/709039882

^On top of that, how do those in approval of Siyaad's actions see inheritance laws in Islam? I doubt we will get any reasoning.

^Let us exhaust your proof of evolution first. Show me the money!

When did Sharif become Prez and when did Aweys start the fighting and what happened in between? Our AS supporters waxba lama socdaan.

Did I???? LooooL By bad Let me change it

Didn't know that Yaad ka dhumanaysaa anyway?

Ibti, why BCC?

Ibti, why?

Ilaahayow kan oo kale ha naga dhigin. Amin.

^Didn't know that!! Will look out for it. ps International qualifiers are generally boring.

^a little indulgence doesn't hurt anyone dear

Khayr, how was the food at the royal tent? This is the first time I'm going to one of these tents. Ngonge, I'll send you the same email. Heh.

^iyo bariis of course, plus salad, humous, khubs bread, water melon, sambusa etc :cool: JB, get the email?

JB, I have lost it. ba i yara sug

^I will not over do it. Just got an invite to the company 'Iftar event' on the beach. Should be good. Also, if anyone wants a good ramadan guide for non-muslim colleagues on powerpoint let me kow and i will email it. It's really good.

why?

^indeed. Might go to one the iftar tents tonight.

Boring International week!!

The Public Resists Capitulation In The Face Of Arrests, Intimidation Police in Somaliland sought to detain Abiib Diriye Nur, a former minister and prominent SNM veteran, but his private security prevented the police from entering his house. This most likely is part of ongoing intimidation of the opposition political parties by increasingly confrontational Riyale administration. But will Riyale win concession through harassment or will the opposition withstand the threats for the sake of restoring democracy in Somaliland? The attempted arrest of Mr. Nur, who served as the Aviation Minister before resigning from the president Riyale’s administration in July 2005, is the latest of numerous ill advised threats by Riyale administration to achieve political concession from the opposition. In his resignation, just months before parliamentary elections were held in 2005, Mr. Nur cited Riyale’s take over of the selection process of UDUB candidates for the parliament as the main reason for stepping down from his post. He later joined the opposition KULMIYE party. The actual reason for the attempted arrest of Mr. Nur, late in the evening on Tuesday, was not publicized but the police has been taking orders to arrest opposition figures. No other legitimate reasons are believed to exist for the attempted arrest. Somaliland’s police chief, Mohamed Saqadhi Dubad, denied a widely held view that the arrest order came directly from or with the knowledge of Mr. Riyale. However, less than a week ago the police chief led a heavily armed force composed of regular police and the presidential guards which stormed the Parliament building in violation of the law and the integrity of the Parliament. Mr. Dubad then told the MPs who protested the presence of the armed police in the parliament building, that he had orders from his superiors even thought he refused to divulge any information that may incriminate Mr. Riyale as the person ordering the invasion. The order came from the Interior Minister Abdillahi Ismail Ali (Cirro) or from president Riyale or his vice-president Ahmed Yusuf Yassin. In any case an order given to the police chief by any of these individuals is politically motivated one. It is well known that several informal meetings were taking place at the presidential palace chaired by Riyale and participated by his most loyal ministers. Mr. Dubad is frequently summoned by the president to his palace specially to be given specific instructions. The order to storm the Parliament came as a result of instructions the police chief received the previous night at the presidential palace if not directly from Riyale then certainly with his blessing. Mr. Riyale whose 5-year elected term ended in May 2008, used the Upper House of parliament to controversially extend his tenure twice. It is however unlikely that he will get anymore extensions this time since the Upper House of parliament expressly stated that it will not give him anymore extensions beyond October 2009 when their most recent six-month-term-exten sion comes to an end. The current roadblock to democracy started in July, barely 60 days prior to the date of the presidential election, when Riyale unilaterally declared that the voter registration list is to be shelved and will not be used for the upcoming election. A move that is unlawful and undoubtedly stands on flimsy legal grounds, contravenes the Electoral Law and breaks an agreement which all parties reached last year. The very reason the election was postponed on numerous previous occasions was because Somaliland needed to register illegible citizens as the Electoral Laws required to avoid vote-rigging and to protect the integrity of the election. Barring a meltdown of the entire political system or other unforeseen catastrophic event occurring, with his ever declining popularity Riyale faces a certain landslide defeat at the ballot box . The only way he possibly can avert such a defeat is to adopt a strategy from which only he stands to gain and everyone else loses, that is to open the door for vote-rigging and election manipulation by utilizing the entire government machinery and resources in his favor. Should Riyale have it his way and voter registration list be dropped altogether, with the way Riyale already micro-manages the political activities of the regional administrations across the country, and by experience from previous elections, it is not unthinkable that huge numbers of untraceable votes in favor of his party turn up at the close of the polls. It is certain that a massive vote-rigging in favor of Riyale will take place if voter registration list is dropped, in which case the neither the opposition nor the public has any confidence in the discredited Supreme Court (which also acts as the Constitutional Court) for recourse. Even with massive rigging if Riyale can not offset the overwhelming popularity of the two opposition parties which will also be competing against one another, he will involve the Courts asking them to annul the election. The Courts have never ruled against Riyale even when his position directly contravened the constitution. Any court decision will be a repetition of its 2003 decision for which the judges (all appointed by Riyale) never gave any explanation of how they mysteriously arrived at their verdict which increased Riyale’s margin from 80 to 217 votes. Riyale believes that by applying a constant pressure including arrests of opposition figures and supporters, the opposition will eventually capitulate and fall in line with his demand for an election that is open to fraud and manipulation, or at least even if the opposition withstands the pressure he will stay on in power with or without another term extension thus buying few more months. In the meantime the arrests and the intimidation continue across the country. A court in the eastern region of Sool sentenced Awil Ismail Farah, UCID party’s Secretary in the region to six months in jail. Mr. Farah who was held in prison for two weeks prior to the sentence, was accused by the governor of Sool region, Ali Mohamed Hassan (Ali-sandulle), of having planed and executed a peaceful public gathering that was held in Las Anod in conjunction with demonstrations held nationwide by the supporters of the two opposition parties three weeks ago. Somaliland Globe

One minute they complain about AMISOM being 'foreign' and the next they don't want Djib boys down there. Will they also be seen as outsiders?? Might be a good move if they are to replace AMISOM.

Originally posted by Poker: Norf, Do they really need a train in Dubai or they just have to have one in place to feel modern? Badly needed saxib. When every family has 2 cars and more you get big problems on the roads. There is nothing like Dubai traffic and you don't want to experience it on a hot day!!!