Originally posted by sheherazade: Did u not witness tension @ Taraawiix. The Somalis squish toes! The Pakis leave a gap! The Bengalis... Those Asians love their bit of space. Somaliduna think squashing someone's toe is the way to go. Bal warama. Daallo Airlines is a joke. Don't ever get on one.

^Naden is a believer (she has already stated as such). Originally posted by Naden: Norfsky, I am not really sure what sort of answer you're searching for when you haven't examined some of the evolutionary evidence yourself. Even a wiki and some googling maybe better than nothing at this stage. Since we share nearly 95% of our DNA with present day chimpanzees, is it so far fetched that we would have a common ancestor? There is evidence of the genus, Homo , across several continents, and it is thought to have branched off from a common ancestor approximately 5-7 million years ago. I'll give you an example of a debate that has been raging among muslim scholars in the face of this evidence. Abdel-Saboor Shaheen, a Muslim Scholar and well-known Daciya, waged a war of sorts in the early 90s against some Muslim scientists who agreed that early versions existed of today's man. He argued that these theories contradicted religious texts' conception of Adam (much like what his Christian counterparts do). In 1998, he did a turnabout and published a book called 'My Father Adam' where he contends that Adam, the first creature, may NOT be Adam, the nabi, mentioned in the Quran. I read the book when it came out and it is very thin on science. And there is a strong suspicion that a seminal part is lifted directly from a more learned Syrian scholar. Nonetheless, Shaheen essentially agrees that present man evolved from 'less-formed' series of ancestors. This complete turnabout earned him the expected wrath of other muslim scholars and daciya. Fortunately for him, the very writers he was accusing of kufr and testifying against in courts came to his aid with support. Curiously, he continues to wage his takfeeri war against anyone with whom he disagrees. One or two Muslim scholars are now postulating that the appearance of Homo Sapiens (sapien is Latin for intelligent) is nafkh el-roh into the less intelligent ancestor. They argue that this is how God preferred Adam's lineage over others. Frankly, Norf, and please don't take offense with this but I'm not sure what you can gain from engaging in evolution discussions when you're so woefully misinformed. I say use this passion that you have to gain some insights based on knowledge. Others may learn something from you as well. Naden, Unfortunately you seem to have adopted the very same tactics being employed by the other evolutionists in this thread. I was hoping for a more fruitful discussion even if I what I have read is solely from the net. What you have done there is state that you believe Humans have a common ancestor with Chimps. You’re entitled to that opinion. However, what I was looking for here is answers to the questions raised by creationists. None on this forum have attempted that yet. Requesting me to read and research around the topic is not what debating is about. What I would expect as a minimum is some sort of rebuttal to the following from your favourite Turk. The Imaginary Family Tree of Man The Darwinist claim holds that modern man evolved from some kind of ape-like creature. During this alleged evolutionary process, which is supposed to have started from 4 to 5 million years ago, it is claimed that there existed some "transitional forms" between modern man and his ancestors. According to this completely imaginary scenario, the following four basic "categories" are listed: 1. Australopithecines (any of the various forms belonging to the genus Australopithecus) 2. Homo habilis 3. Homo erectus 4. Homo sapiens Evolutionists call the genus to which the alleged ape-like ancestors of man belonged "Australopithecus", which means "southern ape". Australopithecus, which is nothing but an old type of ape that has become extinct, is found in various different forms. Some of them are larger and strongly built (robust), while others are smaller and delicate (gracile). Evolutionists classify the next stage of human evolution as the genus Homo, that is "man". According to the evolutionist claim, the living things in the Homo series are more developed than Australopithecus, and not very much different from modern man. The modern man of our day, that is, the species Homo sapiens, is said to have formed at the latest stage of the evolution of this genus Homo. Fossils like "Java Man", "Pekin Man", and "Lucy", which appear in the media from time to time and are to be found in evolutionist publications and textbooks, are included in one of the four groups listed above. Each of these groupings is also assumed to branch into species and sub-species, as the case may be. Some suggested transitional forms of the past, such as Ramapithecus, had to be excluded from the imaginary human family tree after it was realised that they were ordinary apes.69 By outlining the links in the chain as "australopithecines > Homo habilis > Homo erectus > Homo sapiens", the evolutionists imply that each of these types is the ancestor of the next. However, recent findings by paleoanthropologists have revealed that australopithecines, Homo habilis and Homo erectus existed in different parts of the world at the same time. Moreover, some of those humans classified as Homo erectus probably lived up until very recent times. In an article titled "Latest Homo erectus of Java: Potential Contemporaneity with Homo sapiens in Southeast Asia", it was reported in the journal Science that Homo erectus fossils found in Java had "mean ages of 27 ± 2 to 53.3 ± 4 thousand years ago" and this "raise the possibility that H. erectus overlapped in time with anatomically modern humans (H. sapiens) in Southeast Asia" 70 Furthermore, Homo sapiens neandarthalensis and Homo sapiens sapiens (modern man) also clearly co-existed. This situation apparently indicates the invalidity of the claim that one is the ancestor of the other. Intrinsically, all findings and scientific research have revealed that the fossil record does not suggest an evolutionary process as evolutionists propose. The fossils, which evolutionists claim to be the ancestors of humans, in fact belong either to different human races, or else to species of ape. Then which fossils are human and which ones are apes? Is it ever possible for any one of them to be considered a transitional form? In order to find the answers, let us have a closer look at each category. evolutiondeceit.com

All Somalis should have the name of their clan as their last names like the Arabs do.

^Bal u kaadi ninyow. The discussion on God will follow (in another thread). Will you take part?

Apart from Adam we have: A&T who will build a football stadium in Harar with all the aid money (biggest game will be Harar Stars vs Ethiopian B team). Ngonge who will build himself a Khaliij royalty like palace in Jaamac Qabar (not sure if the tuulo is big enough). JB who would build the tallest building in the world in Sheikh calling it 'Daartii Jacalka'(forget about the roads that lead up to it). So my vote goes to AZ

Naden, One will read-up when time permits. In the meantime I would still like some sort of response from you and others on the Human/Ape argument. Are you in the same camp as Raamsade?

*eating kimis sprinkled with sugar and spread over with honey and washing it down with a strong cup of PG* (I should have fasted) Hey Ibti. Juxa forget responsibilities and go home!

^Saxiib meesha waa la iibsaday. Tourism is the idea. Expect a small Dubai like fun and frolics destination.

LoL@JB's edited salaan. Show dadkuu hoosta ka caayaa marku salaamayo

Way bilaabantay,,,,,, http://www.kempinski -mea.com/en/start/99 47/89678.htm?

Last day off. What shall I do???? Hmmmm,,,,,, Bal warama

A&T, anaynu meel iska soo galno ma ogtahay horta?

We've got both Chelsea and Manure soon

Originally posted by Che -Guevara: My clan is as good as my next fix! quote: 'family' (immediate and extended in kasta oo ay intaasiba badantahay). N that's your clan No. I'm from a very large family but my subclan is bigger than Nngonges.

^UK, Canada iyo Mongolia.

Originally posted by NGONGE: ^^ As if I know. Lakin you still know quite a bit and you're a person that spent almost all of his life outside the country. As for everything: How many people from your clan know what job you do. How many know the number of kids you have. How many know how much you earn. How many know things that, in the normal workings of the rest of the world, only your family should know? You see how clan is everything in the qurbo by looking at single mothers. Note how many 'abtis' their kids suddenly acquire. You see it in the way schools, mosques, the needy and even the workings of government are viewed or helped. Clan is EVERYWHERE. Clan is everything. I don't know 'quite a bit' saxib. What I do know I only recently learned. Not many know about my life apart from mostly 'family' (immediate and extended in kasta oo ay intaasiba badantahay). Clan is a natural fall back position for Somalis yes but only in places aynu ku badannahay.

^True.

What is 'everything'? Personally it doesn't mean much to me. I hardly know lafaha aan u kala baxno let alone any other clans. Sayid, Burco iyo Qhardo ha isu keenin'e compare it with it's tuulo equivalent Jaamac Qabar

Originally posted by Jacaylbaro: quote: Ahmad-Magnoon Mischief maker baad tahay ninyow

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Hello Ngonge Anyone seen the banner at top of this page?

^Enlighten me. Naden, I do intend to read up on the subject from all sides (easier said than done though). However, naturally, arguments AGAINST evolution have attracted my attention. These arguments sound well reasoned to a science layman such as myself. What has not been easy to find is well reasoned counter arguments hence my battle here with evolutionist nomads. The Human was an Ape argument for example. This has so many holes in it with well reasoned scientific arguments against it I'm surprised this is actually still being debated. Is there something I'm missing? The Masri and the Turk have done their bit. It's easy to claim they are mistaken without much in the of a write up against their views (maybe you can point out a website that does this).

Naden, I haven't read the book nor have I read any others on evolution nor was I particularly attentive in biology. I thought it was a waste of time as I will go on to make millions as a banker. Then I got bored of that as well. Anyway, x years later and a million dollars less, I'm putting evolution under the microscope (pun intended). What I haven't seen yet is a concise response from it's SOL champions to questions posed. What I'm trying to do is highlight the fact the if there are questions with no or inconsistent answers, sitting on one side of the fence rather than 'on it' can only be perceived as erroneous. As for HY and the old Egyptian professor they are doing something they believe to be correct with what look like sincere intentions. It isn't healthy to second guess another's intentions. Lets have that discussion. Might be best to narrow it down to say 3 or 4 areas to be discussed otherwise we will go in sorts of directions. Have a think.

Pilgrim, any idea who is insuring them and what the policy covers?