The newest trend - xaliimos marrying chinese

[Hawdian]

Safferz;982329 wrote:

I don't "follow" anyone and I don't owe you a response, Hawdian. Go back to your boys' club.

I See Well Maybe You could Answer Classified Who has Rephrased My Question and I will go back to my So-called "Boy's Club".

[Safferz]

Wadani;982334 wrote:

That's not right. He was a slave, but not black. He was an ethnic Arab.

Yeah, it is. Being born into an Arab society and to Arab lineage doesn't mean you don't have black skin.

[Wadani]

Safferz;982338 wrote:

Yeah, it is. Being born into an Arab society and to Arab lineage doesn't mean you don't have black skin.

Ur smarter than this Saffz. U know the issue is race/ethnicity and not skin complexion. It's well known that Zaid was an Arab of the Kalb tribe from Najd. So his marriage to a fellow Arab is no different than a dark skinned Faarax marrying a light skinned Xaliimo, and thus cannot be used as an example of an inter-racial/ethnic marriage.

[Safferz]

lol, what's well known is that Zaid ibn Harithah was black. Why are you so invested in denying this? Bilal ibn Rabah's father was Arab, which also gives him an Arab tribe and lineage, yet that doesn't take away from his blackness. So pointing out that Zaid was born to banu Kalb doesn't signify anything about his race.

[Khayr]

Oiler;982308 wrote:

The 2nd question has been answered:

 

She's entitled to her opinions.

There is no absolute right of entitlement to opinions. You can't tweet every ignoramus idea e.g. gay and muslim is ok?

[Wadani]

Safferz;982347 wrote:

So pointing out that Zaid was born to banu Kalb doesn't signify anything about his race.

Exactly...so why did u use his marriage as an example of an inter-racial marriage? It just doesn't make sense.

[Safferz]

Wadani;982354 wrote:

Exactly...so why did u use his marriage as an example of an inter-racial marriage? It just doesn't make sense.

I used it as an example because he was black, and the Prophet encouraged marriage between him and his cousin Zaynab. Her family's opposition to the marriage is why those verses in Al-Ahzab were revealed, and why he's the only Sahaba mentioned by name in the Quran.

 

Anyway, I feel like I'm repeating myself a lot and I'm tired of this thread, so I'm gonna call it a night.

[Ibtisam]

LOOL @ this thread- Regardless of how many generations we go- the issue of controlling Somali women options in marriage will remain important to our brothers. Mainly because Somali men think they OWN Somali women and no one else should mess with their stock. Cavemen mentality. Of course nin can do what he likes- because wa nin uu. I am always glad to see that Somali women continue to live their life as they see fit regardless of what their men folks say/do. People often comment oo "nin Somali aha miyaad weyed?" or like one of the poster said they think you married a foreign as a last resort" lol

 

BUT lets be honest- the majority of young Somali women are incompatible with Somali men of their age or even few years older- so they will better fit with people who share the ideals and the same internationalist view point. If young Somali men want to retain the majority of Somali girls in marriage who were born/ grew up in the west- a shift in both ideas and mentality is required. Otherwise both can purse different options- girls with finding what they want in others and men can return home and purchase a traditional marriage.

 

 

P.s. Regarding Somaliland Nationality- anyone living/ father born/living in Somaliland in 1960 can apply for Somaliland nationality- Including a heap of white British folks, Pakistanis and Indians. Also even kids with Somalilander mothers can have a Somaliland nationality so long as you can find a minister or elder to vouch for the mother. Naag daaya waaliid everything and anything is possible.

 

 

Congrats to the happy couple- looks like an amazing wedding- humans celebrating happiness- none of this colour, clan, race shiiid Somali warereisey

[DoctorKenney]

Safferz;982304 wrote:

Why do you ask me things you can

Google

?

 

Bear in mind that Al-Turabi is a political leader who is concerned with Sudan's legal system, that he believes consuming alcohol is not something that should be in the purview of the state (especially one like Sudan, which has Christians too) is not a big deal. Very few countries prohibit alcohol. And the

than the question of interfaith marriage, but you can do your own research on that and I'm not interested in getting into that discussion in this thread.

Please don't change Islam, by referencing the quotes of ONE obscure modern-day scholar. You sound ridiculous here.

 

It is well known that drinking alcohol (publicly that is), is indeed within the purview of the State, as the 4 Righteous Caliphs (Umar, Abu Bakr, Ali and Uthman) were known to punish alcoholics and they did so after the death of the Noble Prophet.

 

It is well known that Muslim women CANNOT marry Non-Muslims at all. Under no circumstances, and there are no exceptions to this rule. But a Muslim man can marry a chaste Jewish or Christian woman, but this is discouraged. And it would be preferable to marry a Muslim woman instead. I, as a Muslim man, am forbidden to marry an Atheist woman, or a Hindu woman, or a Buddhist woman. I'm ONLY allowed to marry a Christian or Jewish woman under very limited circumstances (she has to be religious, she has to be chaste) and many scholars even say that you would have to be living in an Islamic State for the marriage to be valid. That it wouldn't be valid if you were doing the marriage in the USA or Canada or Europe.

[DoctorKenney]

Safferz;982312 wrote:

^^ lol!

 

 

 

Well no, not quite, unless you conflate civil law with religious law. Classified also conflates behaviour (what Islam and religions in general try to regulate) with feelings, desires, thoughts, etc. He seems the type to tell a gay Muslim not to bother praying, because "you can't be gay and Muslim," but wouldn't say that to his friend with a girlfriend, or a Muslim who drinks and parties.

 

And I can't stand Irshad Manji.

You can be gay and Muslim, correct. You can even commit homosexual acts and still be Muslim, although you would be sinning. The same way how an alcoholic Muslim or a fornicating Muslim is still a Muslim, even though he's committing major sins. That's not the issue here.

 

The issue is: People who claim to be Muslim but then claim that homosexuality is fine. That there's nothing wrong with it. That homosexual acts are all good. Once you do that, you've left the fold of Islam and this is major kufr.

 

I have Muslim friends who drink alcohol while knowing that they're committing a sin and what they're doing is wrong. They are major sinners, but that doesn't make them Kafir. What would make them a Kafir is if they drank alcohol and attempted to justify it and claim that it's totally fine. There's a huge difference here.

 

That's the criteria. That's where the border-lines are drawn.

[Khayr]

There is a distinction between committing a sinful act and the endorsement of that act.

So saying that you Tariq admitted to committing zina and liked it is vastly different

from Tariq saying that he is of his free choice to do as he pleases and that there is no such thing as Zina.

In the latter, Tariq is endorsing in having pre-marital sex and says that it is acceptable.

 

So therefor; you can't endorse anything openly that goes against the ijma/consensus of pre-21st century ulamaa/Scholars.

As the ayat says for those that don't govern/judge by what Allah has revealed, then they are wrong doers.

[Safferz]

^^ look, like I said I have nothing invested in this debate and I don't care where people's opinions fall on this. If you have been reading this thread in context and read my responses to the semi-literate Classified, you would know that everything I've said is simply to point out that every matter that is ambiguous in the Quran is part of centuries of scholarly debate in Islamic intellectual history, and that everything that isn't explicitly stated to be haram in the Quran has been subject to scholarly inquiry. I'm sorry if it offends some of you fundamentalists that THIS is the Islamic tradition, and you can't change that. Ibn Taymiyyah said women can lead men in prayer, for instance. That was his scholarly opinion, others disagree. Am I "changing Islam" for saying that? No, except to morons who see everything in black and white and are unfamiliar with Islamic scholarship and history.

 

This is my last post in this thread, I've wasted enough time making this same point here.

[Tallaabo]

Classified;982317 wrote:

A gay muslim? lol

He is Muslim and gay, so what is your problem?:confused:

[Hawdian]

Apophis;982363 wrote:

Liberals and their semantics. They'll twist the world if it'll help them sleep at night. Quite disgusting and spineless actually.

. You hit the nail in the head with that statement . Nothing more to add .:cool:

[Oiler]

Everything is subject to scholarly debates? hmm, what about the Hadith? People like Tariq Fatah claim to be a Muslim scholar and you have some people quote him in debates. The question of who do you consider a Muslim scholar or follow is extremely important.