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A Dark Day for the Survival of Humanity

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Apophis;964626 wrote:

Early man defined marriage and thus it's not something modernly defined. And I would argue the ceremony has a huge effects. And the so called “breakdown" of traditional family is a red herring.

That was an error on my part. That last sentence was in response to your earlier post:

Apophis;964599 wrote:
As a Stalinist, I don't support these sort of backdoor shenanigans. The state should not be undermining the
bedrock of society i.e, traditional family/values
.

 

Xiin, I'm with you but from a different path.

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Naxar Nugaaleed;964628 wrote:
I don't know where you people live but there is actually two parts two a marriage. One you go to your musque, church, temple and perform what ever ceremony you like. The other, you go in from of a judge. religious and civil. Marriage started of as a civil act for taxation purposes and the religious aspects were added later.

what history books are reading Naxar?

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ANWAR   

I do not see the link between the down fall of humanity and same-sex marriages?? gay have ****ed each other long before they got married.....

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Marksman   

About 8-10% of the world population is homosexual. I still fail to hear what exactly makes homosexuals a danger to humanity. Because I know a few, both feminine and some even manlier than most straights I know.

 

Can someone list why they're a danger to humanity or marriage based on logic and not use religion, sentiments or homophobia?

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Naxar Nugaaleed;964625 wrote:
One you confused me, I thought you were saying that you believed in personal freedom of gays like all other people but that you had issue with the institution marriage blah blah. lol, that would have made more sense, but what read now makes less sense. Gay rights is a train that has left the building a long time ago.

 

am really not seeing the conflict between individual rights and bedrock values, perhaps am not grasping what you mean by bedrock values. as I take it to mean, individual rights ARE the bedrock values of this country, that none sense in the constitution about inalienable rights! as for the masses and their demands, we live in a country, a democracy where the will of those masses is above all, except where it does not conflict with individual rights. So if the majority of the country decides tomorrow they want mothers and sons (completely wrong analogy btw, relation, no relation.) to marry, you dam* straight you will accept it because that is what people in the country live in want. No about what grown adults do in their homes is no ones business but them and their maker. I have no right to invade your privacy Xiin, because I think eating with your hands morally repugnant. Whats more offensive is the idea that you believe you are entitled to impose your ideas of morality and your own values. FYI I stay clear of words gaalo and calling people ajnabi in their own country lol

Abviouisly you are playing to the gallery . Man up , and tell me if you believe in the concept of man marrying another man. What DO YOU believe baba? Because if I go by your logic of 'I accept because that is what people in the country believe', then by logical extension if the majority of Americans oppose gay rights tomorrow and the Supreme Courts reservs its rullilngs , you would go along :D :D.

 

Majority fo Americans believed at one point that Blacks have no right to vote and whole host of other stuff that defies logic and common sense. Heck, majority of Americans at the hieght of Iraq war believed that Sadam was behind 9/11...come on waryaa and for a moment use your head.

 

As for Gaalo, gaalo means in Islamic lingo those who do not believe Allah the way Muslims believe. There is nothing deragotory about the word. Now before you get yourself confused again there is a world of difference between voicing your objections against things you deem contradictory to your values and principles AND impossing your views on others who do not believe in it. So there you have it, good NN. My opposition to gay marriage and homo promotion falls in the first category, not in the 2nd. there are millions of Americans who oppose this gay stuff for various reasons. fulaynima iska daa oo si saani u hadal for gods sake :D

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Marksman;964651 wrote:
About 8-10% of the world population is homosexual. I still fail to hear what exactly makes homosexuals a danger to humanity. Because I know a few, both feminine and some even manlier than most straights I know.

 

Can someone list why they're a danger to humanity or marriage based on logic and not use religion, sentiments or homophobia?

Here is a man who knows how to frame an argument. Challenge me along those lines but do not come here with timid responses :D

 

Marksman,

 

I would be honest with you: I cannot DIVORCE my objections/reasoning against institutionalizing homosexual relationships and equating to the traditional family units FROM my beliefs/religious teachings. My values are informed by Islamic religion.

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Apophis   

Tallabo lalabo bu mesha kaynay.

 

But on topic: this whole thing is overfeed White people's problem. Here in Africa we have more primary problems and re-defining marriage isn't one of those problems.

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Tallaabo   

Apophis;964681 wrote:
Tallabo lalabo bu mesha kaynay.

 

But on topic: this whole thing is overfeed White people's problem. Here in Africa we have more primary problems and re-defining marriage isn't one of those problems.

It is not just white people's problem it is a universal issue

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Apophis   

Tallaabo;964682 wrote:
It is not just white people's problem it is a universal issue

 

It's a classic white man problem. Our (African) society will not be modeled on European method; that isn't to say your private doings should lead you to harm.

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