Issues 'ween Puntland and the FGS

[Illyria]

Are the issues raised by Puntland valid and justified? Yes.

Did the FGS consult Puntland with respect to the London Conference or the formation of federal member states or the amandements to the national constitution? No.

 

Prove is in the pudding.

 

Here are the relevant articles and sub sections in the constitution.

 

According to the constitution, under Article 53 on the matter of International Negotiations:

(1) In the spirit of inter-governmental cooperation the Federal Government shall consult the

Federal Member States on negotiations relating to foreign aid, trade, treaties, or other major

issues related to international agreements.

 

(2) Where negotiations particularly affect Federal Member State interests, the negotiating

delegation of the Federal Government shall be supplemented by representatives of the

Federal Member States governments.

 

(3) In conducting negotiations, the Federal Government shall regard itself as the guardian of the

interests of the Federal Member States, and must act accordingly.

 

Again, under Article 52, sections 1 and 2 plus sub sections a - j:

(1) The Federal Government and Federal Member State governments shall ensure that

meetings between the Presidents of the Federal Member States and high ranking officials be

held regularly to discuss issues that affect their territories, including:

(a) Water sources;

(b) Agriculture;

© Animal husbandry;

(d)Pasture and forestry;

(e)The prevention of erosion and the protection of the environment;

(f) Health;

(g)Education;

(h)Relations and dialogue amongst traditional leaders, and the protection and development of

traditional law;

(i) Relations amongst religious scholars; and

(j) Youth.

 

(2) Federal Member States may enter cooperative agreements amongst themselves or with the

Federal Government, which may not be legally binding or contradict the national

constitution and the constitutions of the Federal Member States.

 

Were amendements made to the constitution prior to its being subject to national referendum? Yes. Was it done through the right process? No.

 

Again, according the constitution, under Chapter 15, Article 132, sub sections 1 - 10 provide:

 

Article 132. Provisions Applicable to an Amendment to the Constitution

Proposed After the Expiry of the First Term of the Federal Parliament

 

(1) Notwithstanding Clause (2), whether before or after the expiry of the first term of the

Federal Parliament, neither House of Parliament may consider an amendment to the

Founding Principles mentioned in Chapter 1 of this Constitution.

 

(2) Subject to Clause (1), and other than an amendment of the boundaries of Federal Member

States in terms of Article 49, a House of the Federal Parliament may consider an amendment

to the Constitution only in terms of the procedures set forth in Clauses (3) through (9).

 

(3) The Federal Government or a Federal Members State government, a member of the Federal

Parliament or a petition signed by at least 40,000 citizens may initiate the amendment

process.

 

(4) A sponsor of a constitutional amendment in terms of Clause (3) may introduce that

proposed amendment into either House of the Federal Parliament.

 

(5) If a majority of the members of the House in which its sponsors introduce a proposed

constitutional amendment accept that amendment on first or a subsequent reading, the

Speaker of the House of the People and the Speaker of the Upper House of the Federal

Parliament of Somalia shall each appoint ten members of that Speaker's House to a joint

committee of the two Houses.

 

(6) The joint committee appointed in terms of Clause (5) shall:

(a) Review a proposal for the amendment;

(b) Inform the public of the proposal;

© Ensure that adequate opportunity exists for public debate;

(d) Consult with members of the public;

(e) Ensure that members of the public have adequate opportunity to present their

comments and suggestions to the joint committee; and

(f) Engage Federal Member State legislatures and incorporate the Federal Member States’

harmonized submissions into the proposed amendment, whereas the matter concerns

Federal Member State interests.

 

(7) Within two (2) months of its appointment, the joint committee shall submit its report to

each House of the Federal Parliament.

(8) The Federal Parliament adopts a proposed amendment only after approving it on a final

vote in the House of the People by at least two-thirds (2/3) of the existing members, and on

a final vote in the Upper House of the Federal Parliament by at least two-thirds (2/3) of the

existing members.

(9) A House of Parliament may only take a final vote three (3) months or more after the report

of the joint committee in terms of Clause (7).

(10) If the Parliament approves one or more proposed amendments in terms of this Article and

Article 136 concerning the review of the final Constitution, it shall conduct a referendum on

the revised Constitution as amended.

 

All else is just pure waffle and conjecture.

[Illyria]

I could never understand how people form opinions without possessing the facts or the right context.

No wonder Somalis are messed up.

[xiinfaniin]

^Blame twenty one years of one man rule followed by another twenty one years of complete chaos and anarchy .

 

EDIT,

 

I highly recommend folks to listen Faroole's speech at the dinner with president Hassan. The man showed a keen understanding in our political time & intricacy, and maturity only age and experience could give...

[Waranle_Warrior]

Indeed the anarchists don't understanding the meaning of law or constitution. This shows that Faroole has always been right and that the other side do not consider the consequences of illegality and taking unlawful actions.

 

I think Faroole should alter the copy of the constitution he has and write the capital of Somalia is Garowe, boom and one day should make a press release saying according to the Somali constitution we have Garowe is capital. Markaasna uu dhaho Garowe hadii aysan laraacin inay tahay sida kuqoran constitution dowlada waxa kama jiraan. ~Wallee sifiican ayaa la iskugu waalan lahaa. May be that's sort of anarchy is what the anarchists understand.

[malistar2012]

CRY as much as you want Mogadishu moved on , its booming and the clan you hate are getting richer by the day . Faroole Crying from Growe does not effect The Progress Somalia is achieving . Fed Gov should deal with Puntland as to how somaliland deals with Pirate state isolation , while Somaliland Controls ***** land faroll should stop beating his chess he is a light weight .......

[Mooge]

qoslaye is a corrupt small minded person. he is caught red-handed and didn't know what to say. his is not a smart man.

[Illyria]

Let us hope President Hassan and his advisors pay attention, see this as a lesson learnt, re-strategise, make amends, and engage Faroole to come along to the London Conference.

 

WW,

The idea is not to compound or frustrate, but to correct errors, constitutional in this case, and direct people away from committing more mistakes.Tit for tat hardly gets you any far. If the other side is laying the bait, intentionally or not, why fall for it. You should know better, should not you? Or is that too much to ask?

[xiinfaniin]

There is only one poster who shows anger and emotion in this thread --funny he is accusing others

[Illyria]

Shut your gob and grow up. It is people like you who get fat from mayhem and always looking for more meyham.

malistar2012;944670 wrote:

CRY as much as you want Mogadishu moved on , its booming and the clan you hate are getting richer by the day . Faroole Crying from Growe does not effect The Progress Somalia is achieving . Fed Gov should deal with Puntland as to how somaliland deals with Pirate state isolation , while Somaliland Controls ***** land faroll should stop beating his chess he is a light weight .......

[Waranle_Warrior]

^I think Ahmed Madoobe should change a lot of clauses in the constitution and declare himself a King of Jubbaland according to the Somali constitution. That's the kind of language the anarchists understand.

[Tillamook]

Waranle_Warrior;944664 wrote:

Indeed the anarchists don't understanding the meaning of law or constitution. This shows that Faroole has always been right and that the other side do not consider the consequences of illegality and taking unlawful actions.

 

I think Faroole should alter the copy of the constitution he has and write the capital of Somalia is Garowe, boom and one day should make a press release saying according to the Somali constitution we have Garowe is capital. Markaasna uu dhaho Garowe hadii aysan laraacin inay tahay sida kuqoran constitution dowlada waxa kama jiraan. ~Wallee sifiican ayaa la iskugu waalan lahaa. May be that's sort of anarchy is what the anarchists understand.

Culosow believes the Constitution of the Federal Somali Republic can be forged and adulterated like the university diplomas he bought from Suuqa Bakaaraha. Laakin yaa ka yeelayo?

[Illyria]

Wait a minute tho'. this get more interesting.

 

The question should be: did the President know about the amendments to the constitution? if he did, and he swore to safeguard the constitution and upload the law, and the constitution has been amended under his watch, does that mean his oath no longer holds true? Does that bring his Presidency under disrepute where some could argue, and rightly so, that he is no longer the President?

let us wait and see if he was aware of the changes.

Intersting development to say the least.

[Che -Guevara]

malistar2012;944670 wrote:

CRY as much as you want Mogadishu moved on , its booming and the clan you hate are getting richer by the day . Faroole Crying from Growe does not effect The Progress Somalia is achieving . Fed Gov should deal with Puntland as to how somaliland deals with Pirate state isolation , while Somaliland Controls ***** land faroll should stop beating his chess he is a light weight .......

You are not too bright, I hope I am wrong.

 

Folks, this unnecessary antagonism benefits no one. Explore solutions and be mindful, you will not get everything you want.

[xiinfaniin]

^^True that.

 

But I still think the president has a responsibility to follow the constitution however inconvenient.

[Illyria]

And that is the desired end goal. But first we must get all the facts in before passing the judgement, no?

Did he know, or did not he? Was he a part to it?