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Oz   

Salutes Aaliyah..you may have this one in the bag. :D Name calling to me, means you have lost the debate. You The generic "you", have to resort to that because you cannot win in an actual debate. You cannot prove your point so you try to derail. Or it shows that you have no control… again, loss of a debate.

 

Ps: Except for this one sick .... who used to tie his mother’s shoelaces together and then laugh and pour paint on her when she fell down.

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The people of SSC are masters of their destiny and their destiny lies with Somalia not secession and certainly not with colonial borders which the darwish people fought the British for 20 years between 1900-1921 at time when Britain was at zeinth of its power.

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NASSIR   

Originally posted by Mansa Munsa:

Where is Hudaydi. The expert of Erigavo city and its history. The last lecture he gave about the city, in there he elobarated how admin of the city is run by the 4 clans that dwell in the city. Has anything changed since then?

Mansa, indeed Hudeydi was brilliant in his posts and nothing I know has changed, but who can wean Oodweyne off his blind support for Somaliland and its naked aggressions.

 

Here is my old response to his churlish mantra about Gen. Ilka-jir and his political decision to respect the clan treaties that govern the city. [i provided evidence in that thread of Xudeedi]. The city does not fall under the exclusive ownership of a single sub-clan or clan but of multiple sub-clans from H and I. Therefore it falls under the clan jurisdictions set by that treaty of 1993 following the cease fire of a 4 years civil war.

 

 

Because of your sheer ignorance on this city (Ceerigaabo), I went the extra mile in offering a free lecture of the long, tangled history that created the stand off between Makhir's celebrated success in maintaining their Political Independence and the attempt to retrieve the colonial framework of British Somaliland. Erigavo as a District can not be isolated from the rest of Sanaag because of its geographic, historical and political dimensions and the preeminent power and prestige the Sultanate held once in the region, for historically Erigavo and Las Khorey formed part of the Districts (Counties) of former British Somaliland. Even so, it was explained with concrete evidence how that city is run to this day and how it was founded by the Sultanate in its apogee, an administration that was recognized by the British Empire.

 

Despite the evidence of the Police and the Military under a Makhiri-born administrators, not to mention, the head of its Local Government Council, you are still blind and obstinate, in your silly assertion that the ownership and civil administration of Erigavo was established by the outcome of the post-1991 Somalia's tribal wars. If this is still the case, why is that ""Somaliland" project is absent in the other 4 official districts of the region? The fact that they humiliated your Warlord Minister and defeated his army would have been more than sufficient to demote the likes of Muse Ismail Dalaf from their positions. You would have told these gallant individuals in the current Erigavo admin that they did not deserve to be part of Erigavo Civil and Military Administration since the Makhiris, (being the vanguards of PL) have shown a total rejection of "our project".

 

Contrary to your beliefs, Makhiris run Erigavo based on the Peace Treaty provided and with total confidence to run exclusively the rest of their Districts, the violation of which would parry a blow, as it has been the case.

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NASSIR   

Indeed Mansa. The Victory of Las Anod and environs is on the horizon. Your inalienable rights to defend your home when invaded and occupied are hard to be brushed off as "tribal" motivation, in this case. The reputed elders and intelectuals from this region have warned the seperatist enclave more than it was necessary and it's time to bring home justice and developments through military means.

 

Once that "freedom" is secured, they can then either join Puntland or form their own political entity. That option and political choice is with the people and no current self-declared entities should trade silly accusations and proxy war instigations between the natives on one hand and PL & SL on the other, least of dictating their destiny.

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Saalax   

Tunas should stay in las qoray for their own safety i am sure we don't want a repeat of the 1990's where many perished in the red sea.

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Ibtisam   

Originally posted by Safa:

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Cuqdada iska saar Aaliya, I picked up on your comment because it caught my eye, I didn't read this guy aad iss hiisantan because madax igu xaanuna, he is always venting random things in most threads. If you want to argue with him that is your call, but anigu I don't fight with people who thinks they are part of ongoing conflicts in Somali soil while in the west.

Ibtisaam, You don’t need to get angry, you started to comment on my post. I didn’t say anything about you, so you shouldn’t get very emotional and insult me personally. Yes we disagree on Somali politics, but we can agree to disagree with out insults and bad mouthing.

 

The way you talking Ibtisaam, you are actually fighting in this forum. While you are in the west, so don’t be hypocrite and exclude yourself

 

Runtii qofka cuqdada qaba waa adi adoo jooga west ayaa wali ka gubanasaa dagaalo dhacay in ka badan 20 sano ka hor
Aaliya, I challenge you to FIND one post, that I ever made which told certain clans to fight or kill another. Go ahead, I will wait. You will never find me saying kill them or they deserve it, or punish them or where is there men.

 

As for personally insulting you and yad yad ya, I did not, I told you to pick up a book and do some general reading, that is not an insult but a sound advice. As for ka gubanasaa dagaalo dhacay 20yrs ago, only when you try to re-write history while the first generation is still sitting. Otherwise I'm not fussed about it.

 

 

that includes you and your "we have men to fight back" Daadkan aad isku tirsdid will end up losing their life, and it won't cost you nothing, so I guess it is easy for you to advocate for war

Was the snm men you support not losing lives in 1988 and now while they are fighting the ssc??

I am getting tired of telling you this, read a book, there is no such thing as SNM now, if like Duke you are using it as a clan name now? In any case anigu I did not have a say when the SNM formed, and I dont support any sort of fighting, let alone on the only semi peaceful region.

 

Are you not now angry and saying that people in somaliland were being abused in the 80s, justifying the snm men and their war with the Somali government? Are you not supporting the 88 war?? Mise shekadu wa marba say kugu baxdo…

How do you compare history (wax dacey already a long time ago, which I have an opinion on) Which btw don't put words in my mouth, I said Somali people were being abused (scroll up) and there were other organistions which sprung with the SNM (miis you are not aware of them?)

 

 

As for your other comment, without going into details about Somalia, walahi you sound ignorant and worse belittling the suffering of so many somalis (and before you say so, these people I speak of were not Isa*aq nor my relatives, but they were Somali) The Somali government was systematic in its abuse, maybe your family were fine, maybe you had access to education, health iyo waxad sheegety, but the majority of Somalis did not and on top of that were oppressed. Baal adigu pick up a book, any book on Somalia and do some general reading about when the Somali government started falling part. The SNM and other similar organisations just kicked a hollow ship over.

First of all stop calling me names “ignorant” and the like and learn to share your view without name calling.

 

Secondly, I did not belittle the suffering of any Somalis. Read my post again without preconceived notion abt where I stand in the current political issues. I said 1981 Somalia was established. I did not say anything abt the war that took place in 1988. And, everyone knows how Somalia was in the early 80s and how established it was, that is a fact. Okay, BUT I am telling you that Somalia as a government failed long before 1988, adiga 1988 bey kaga deegtey?

 

And, now incase you are not aware of maybe your families are safe and sound in burco. There are innocent people who had no role in the Somali political chaos being killed in SSC regions by Somaliland government.

That is true, hence why you don't see me forming an opinion other than SCC need to determine their own future.

 

I don't have a role in either one, so to be honest you are preaching to the wrong person. No one cares what I think, nor do I live in SL/ Somalia, so I don't have to make a choice. ------

 

If you don't think that you have to make a choice then why are you choosing pits and pieces from my posts. Or, do you think you have a choice when it comes to certain topics and disregard others?? does it all boil down to your political stand??

I picked up on your comment about Somalia history, nothing to do with SSC, I asked you if it was not too early to re-write history. That is the only thing I asked you about, the rest adiga aya ii daaba waada.

 

 

I think you are confused, I did not advocate for anyone to attack or invade budhoodle, and like abroken record you keep repeating SL ma raabno to me, to which I keep telling I don't care. I asked a rhetorical and valid question to the SL supporters. As for the current news, unless you have some inside story, I read that there were separate attacks, one with SL troops and the other with Ethio troops. As I said I was concerned about Ethiopians randomly attacking women and children (i saw a video of them chasing women which caused a stampede) and I asked why the two states which fight over them did not support them.

If you disagree with me you don’t have to call me confused or broken record? Or do you have the tendency to use bad words?? Plus if you don’t care about my repeated words of “SL ma rabno” who asked you to comment on my post?? Or do you think I give abt your repeated lines of “oh hargaisa burco don’t want to be part of Somalia”. I don’t care either. Again you have me confused, search the threads, I have always said the same thing, ciidna yaan la qasbiin, and as for bad words, walalo I think you are taking things a little seriously (Borken record= repeating same thing over and over again regardless of the context) I don't see as bad words, but if you are offended by it xaal qaado, it is just an expression used because I aske dyou about something and you keep repeating something else. As for Burco and Harigas, there is record of me HERE of me saying Burco can be pro-somalia when they want; don't say things just to make sense of your "argument"

 

Read what you wrote? And you did advocate invading buhodle by Sl ? when you wrote:

 

Why would you not defend against the Ethiopian aggression?

Exactly how will the very group (SL) that brought Ethiopian aggression in buhodle defend buhodle. Doesn’t make sense. Lol @ you read that above and took away from it, that I said invade Buhoodle, read again sis and do so without assuming. I said defend against aggression, how canone defend aggression by invading the people it is suppose to defend?

 

 

In your haste to agree with a none existent point, A&T has led you to a dead end, again if you read Somali history you would know that Siyaad was not securing borders, he was stamping resistance out. -----

 

You might disagree but Siyaad barre was securing borders and defending the territory of Somali Republic.

:D are you serious?? Would it not then make sense he attacked NFD Kenya and Ethios region? lool walahi this made me laugh!

(Diinac loo raco maleh, they let themselves down, disunity means maraba ciid bad dinca lagu jiidan. United they could make their own, iis jiid jiidna ma jirina, that is all I got to say. But like all poor place, support is brought and sold.)

Are you talking about Northwest region in 1988, when most of the current Somaliland politicians were part of President Siyad Barre Government like Riyaale, Cigaal, etc

 

You are right ibti support is bought and Sold. Not a new thing. There we go again, 1988 beye kaga deegtey.

 

As you were AAliya, anigu waxan ku leeahey do some reading and becareful what you wish for; people who wish for war and distruction of Daadka maskiinta aah need to check themselve. Don't worry, I am not picking on you, it includes most of the guys on here who think they are in ths SL army, sharif army, PL army or another army. :cool:

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Oz   

Okay!! wey dhamaatey, joojiya hadaba. Lol ibti...wixii iskaceliyaa xabashigaa votekeygii wuu qabaa.

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nuune   

^ more like safa and marwa.

 

but why do they have to quote each other's every sentence and paragraph, makes the post so long, at one point, I gave up scrolling down to read!

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Originally posted by Safa:

^^^why was the snm created when Somalia was established. We had a government ....everything was so advanced from the health department to the education department...what exactly were you missing? taas kasoo fakar...

 

In fact the government that was established was leading the whole nation....

 

Now if Riyaale was president of Somalia then I would not support anyone to wage any war...But don't ask me to smile when you want to control ur regions(hargaisa burco berbera) yet u wanna control other people's regions...

 

So mr ka tali magaloyinkaaga oo dadka faraha ka qaad...or join and be part of somaliwayn.

 

You cant have it your way...

 

Or if you think you can get whatever you want with power, then what makes u think other people dont have men.

 

They will fight and put their lives in the line for their regions.

 

enough said..

 

salaam

SNM was created because the northerners were too spoiled they had it all

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me   

Originally posted by Karl_Polanyi:

I agree with Safa and Ibtisam,

Considering the fact that you wrote Safa before Ibtisam, even though I is before the S in the alphabet, can we say that you agree with Safa more than you agree with Ibtisam?

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