Prez HSM is out of ideas and in need of a rescue boat

[AhmedGuled]

2 hours ago, Illyria said:

 

These are the coping mechanism by reer Marqaan waal, eh? If you objectively think about Somali politics, there are pioneers, disciples, and then there are barmy mad cows. Other than secessionism, could you tell us what political beacon reer Waqooyi (!saaq) have been, or what original political ideals they have given Somalia in the last 100 years: from fighting European colonial powers to formulating independence movements in the Somali peninsula to opposing Kacaan to Jabhadayn to bottom-up approach in governance to Federalism? Now, before you regurgitate, and gargle your usual diatribe, think carefully, and objectively, and offer quantifiable instances of where !saaq led Somalis with original ideas. A word of advice: do consult your sober elders.

Do not disappoint, the platform is yours.

A stable democracy with a rule of law government that even the D-block clans that live in Somaliland say is better than anything Somalia has produced is all the vindication I need. Now what have your "people" produced in the last 32 years? 

What is this nonsense? lol

[Illyria]

8 hours ago, AhmedGuled said:

A stable democracy with a rule of law government

Try again, dear lad. If we are to call what is being practised in the triangle a democracy, then we are in trouble - what a travesty. Socrates would roll in his grave as to the barney your lot are causing in its name. If anything, you are abusing an ancient system of governance, which you do not know the first thing about.

 

Again, you have got another chance to make your ancestors proud by telling us what "good" your lot has done for the last 100 years, which is worthy of being replicated, or borrowed by others. 

[AhmedGuled]

14 hours ago, Illyria said:

Try again, dear lad. If we are to call what is being practised in the triangle a democracy, then we are in trouble - what a travesty. Socrates would roll in his grave as to the barney your lot are causing in its name. If anything, you are abusing an ancient system of governance, which you do not know the first thing about.

 

Again, you have got another chance to make your ancestors proud by telling us what "good" your lot has done for the last 100 years, which is worthy of being replicated, or borrowed by others. 

Your people were banana plantation slaves for the Italian fascist regime. I guess you copied their barbaric practices during your D-block rain as mass murders. Don't worry about the !saaq people, we built something your hateful heart could never build and your jealous nature could never master.

Forget about !saaq and Somaliland we are too civilised for Koonfur...stop Al-Shabaab from blowing up Mogadishu if you can. lol

[Illyria]

9 hours ago, AhmedGuled said:

Your people were banana plantation slaves for the Italian fascist regime. 

Cakuye dhallaan! Awoowayaashaa kuuma aanay sheegine, gaalada annagaa  gumaysanna e, annaga nalama gumaysto, ya jahil al murakab!

In principle, I do not speak ill of my fellow countrymen, for it reflects poorly on me, yet one has a responsibility to whisper good words into the green ears of the ill-informed curs on the wire. Now, read the following passages, glance at these images, and tell me what you think is going on in these images in Berbera and Zeylac?

"A couple of noteworthy incidents:
a) In 1891, French Catholic Mission opened Christian schools in Berbera, Dhaymoole, and Majacaseeye to preach, and teach Somali kids Christianity. The mission was lead by Father Cypriana of Belgium.
b) Soon after their conquest, the British had taken over Makhirkos, the government building, which had a mosque in it, previously built by the Ottomans in Berbera in 1865. In the mosque, with Athan al Salawat being performed five times a day, the Brits ordered the call for prayers to be stopped, which the locals would not listen; one day, whilst performing Athan, the man in charge of the colonial authority, shot the Muathin dead".

[Game changer]

8 hours ago, AhmedGuled said:

Your people were banana plantation slaves for the Italian fascist regime. I guess you copied their barbaric practices during your D-block rain as mass murders. Don't worry about the !saaq people, we built something your hateful heart could never build and your jealous nature could never master.

Forget about !saaq and Somaliland we are too civilised for Koonfur...stop Al-Shabaab from blowing up Mogadishu if you can. lol

This guy is not from Mogadishu,  he doesn't sound he is from koonfur either.  He is definitely harti probably qurjile.

[maakhiri1]

AHMEDGULED and GAME CHANGER

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[AhmedGuled]

19 hours ago, Illyria said:

Cakuye dhallaan! Awoowayaashaa kuuma aanay sheegine, gaalada annagaa  gumaysanna e, annaga nalama gumaysto, ya jahil al murakab!

In principle, I do not speak ill of my fellow countrymen, for it reflects poorly on me, yet one has a responsibility to whisper good words into the green ears of the ill-informed curs on the wire. Now, read the following passages, glance at these images, and tell me what you think is going on in these images in Berbera and Zeylac

You are not my fellow country men. We have nothing to do with each other. Somaliland was a British protectorate, this means the British Empire had an agreement with the !saaq clan to run the territory on our behalf. There is a massive difference between being a protectorate and full blown colonial enslavement.

Don't make me post Italian banana plantations in Mogadishu Siyaad Barre Supporter idiot.  

[Illyria]

 

[Game changer]

On 7/17/2023 at 2:35 AM, maakhiri1 said:

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Waxaas oo khalkhala waxa idiinku wacan , meeshan afar laangaab iyo eelaygooda  Ku wada barooran jiray.   Anaguna shaw daaqadaan kasoo galnoo jewigaanu idinka jiidhnay.      Meeshu gurigii hooyada maahee haw fiirfiirsan dadka kusoo biiraya.  IP gooda maxaa kaa galay ma sabuuradaas hawada Ku taal baad Ka xigta. 

Waa markii labaad ee aad igu eedayso inaan qof kale ahay.  Haday meeshu sharci leedahay dadka noocaaga ah qudhooda waa in rule loo sameeyo. 

 

[AhmedGuled]

19 hours ago, Illyria said:

 

So? It turned out to be a mistake. Shows you Somalilanders tried to make Somalinimo work.. but you koonfur where too savage. We learnt from it and moved on. You should do the same...because we are NEVER coming back.

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

So since when is consulting with others bad   Surely some people just want the dictostorial approach . 
 

 

 

[Arafaat]

8 hours ago, AhmedGuled said:

So? It turned out to be a mistake. Shows you Somalilanders tried to make Somalinimo work.. but you koonfur where too savage. We learnt from it and moved on. You should do the same...because we are NEVER coming back.

The issue isn’t about ‘Somalinimo’ identity, it’s about politics and political directions for the people that is realistic, workable and achievable. 

 

Listen to this former Somaliland Minister who talks about the divergence of political ideas and directions  between the Somaliland clans, over the last century. 
And he makes the point that his clan(SSC) in the last century in 4 major turning points diverged from the beesha Dhexe clan on the political directions, but beeshe dhexe pressed their own directions but every time hit a wall forced to make a u-turn. And he blames this on waves of populism (Xamasadaha) that come to dominate the politics of beesha dhexe  every couple of decades. Making it difficult to engage in political dialogue and compromise with, as one gravitate towards unreasonable or unrealistic political expectations, leading towards gravitation to a new wave of reactionary populism. He proves his assertion with the following historical turning points;

1. Darwiish movement 1900-1920; calling for independence from the colonial authorities, while beesha Dhexe opposed only to make a u-turn later and their leaders start calling and campaigning for independence themselves from 1930’s onwards. (Aside from the figure of Sayidka and whatever religious empire he aspired, on the anti-colonialism the Darwiish movement was indeed ahead of its time, you can’t deny that). 

2. Independence of 1960; SSC wanted for Somaliland to wait before engaging and unifying with Somalia and first consult and see what conditionalities were needed, as the South has been preparing for the last decade to assume their statehood. With Beesha dhexe is responded to aun  Ali Garaad Jama, with the famous “La ya Garaad”(No to the Garaad) demonstration. (Even Cigaal aun attested that when he suggested during a conference to wait 6 months before uniting with Somalia, that a bottle of coke was thrown at this head and was silenced by the political elites as the general populist feeling were strong on unification that it was difficult impossible to have any rational discussion on the practicalities and political directions to go about). 

3. Establishment of rebel movement early 1980s; SSC leaders led by Garaad Ali Garaad Jama aun who also opposed the military regime, met with the SNM in its earliest days and sought to join the Movement to create a unified front against the military regime. Beesha dhexe refused and preferred to maintain a clan opposition based front, instead of creating a clan wide political movement against the regime. Later on the military regime also specifically targeted Beesha dhexe, sought to put other clans against them and destroy their cities. 

4. The Peace conferences of 1991s; SSC leaders engaged in peace conferences and agreements with Beesha dhexe, and supported for Northern wide clans to come together and consult on their affairs in the conference of Burco, and even to establish a Northern or Somaliland government. But during the conference also the decision of independence or succession was taken, which was a hastily taken decision without much thought that was put in to voting, leading to Somaliland after 30 years still locked in its quest for independence.

5. Las anod conflict 2023; Once again the political narrative of SL elitea is fuelled by a wave of populist emotions (xamasad), rather then a rational political strategy, direction and thought. This is proven by its constantly changing narrative for the las anod conflict coming from the elites who can’t seem make up their mind on why they are fighting and for what purpose, changing justifications from we are defending the SL borders, we are attacked by terrorist, Somalia or Puntland is behind the war. Again SL is captured by a wave of irrational political populism that is unreasonable to reason or talk with. 

 

[Che -Guevara]

1 hour ago, Arafaat said:

The issue isn’t about ‘Somalinimo’ identity, it’s about politics and political directions for the people that is realistic, workable and achievable. 

 

Listen to this former Somaliland Minister who talks about the divergence of political ideas and directions  between the Somaliland clans, over the last century. 
And he makes the point that his clan(SSC) in the last century in 4 major turning points diverged from the beesha Dhexe clan on the political directions, but beeshe dhexe pressed their own directions but every time hit a wall forced to make a u-turn. And he blames this on waves of populism (Xamasadaha) that come to dominate the politics of beesha dhexe  every couple of decades. Making it difficult to engage in political dialogue and compromise with, as one gravitate towards unreasonable or unrealistic political expectations, leading towards gravitation to a new wave of reactionary populism. He proves his assertion with the following historical turning points;

1. Darwiish movement 1900-1920; calling for independence from the colonial authorities, while beesha Dhexe opposed only to make a u-turn later and their leaders start calling and campaigning for independence themselves from 1930’s onwards. (Aside from the figure of Sayidka and whatever religious empire he aspired, on the anti-colonialism the Darwiish movement was indeed ahead of its time, you can’t deny that). 

2. Independence of 1960; SSC wanted for Somaliland to wait before engaging and unifying with Somalia and first consult and see what conditionalities were needed, as the South has been preparing for the last decade to assume their statehood. With Beesha dhexe is responded to aun  Ali Garaad Jama, with the famous “La ya Garaad”(No to the Garaad) demonstration. (Even Cigaal aun attested that when he suggested during a conference to wait 6 months before uniting with Somalia, that a bottle of coke was thrown at this head and was silenced by the political elites as the general populist feeling were strong on unification that it was difficult impossible to have any rational discussion on the practicalities and political directions to go about). 

3. Establishment of rebel movement early 1980s; SSC leaders led by Garaad Ali Garaad Jama aun who also opposed the military regime, met with the SNM in its earliest days and sought to join the Movement to create a unified front against the military regime. Beesha dhexe refused and preferred to maintain a clan opposition based front, instead of creating a clan wide political movement against the regime. Later on the military regime also specifically targeted Beesha dhexe, sought to put other clans against them and destroy their cities. 

4. The Peace conferences of 1991s; SSC leaders engaged in peace conferences and agreements with Beesha dhexe, and supported for Northern wide clans to come together and consult on their affairs in the conference of Burco, and even to establish a Northern or Somaliland government. But during the conference also the decision of independence or succession was taken, which was a hastily taken decision without much thought that was put in to voting, leading to Somaliland after 30 years still locked in its quest for independence.

5. Las anod conflict 2023; Once again the political narrative of SL elitea is fuelled by a wave of populist emotions (xamasad), rather then a rational political strategy, direction and thought. This is proven by its constantly changing narrative for the las anod conflict coming from the elites who can’t seem make up their mind on why they are fighting and for what purpose, changing justifications from we are defending the SL borders, we are attacked by terrorist, Somalia or Puntland is behind the war. Again SL is captured by a wave of irrational political populism that is unreasonable to reason or talk with. 

 

All Somalis are emotional but beesh dhexe takes  the cake.

Grxjs were central to Dervish movement. Their history got buried in order to satisfy the emotional outburst of some of the elites namely SA who hijacked the Sland project.

 

[Illyria]

1 hour ago, Arafaat said:

4. The Peace conferences of 1991s; SSC leaders engaged in peace conferences and agreements with Beesha dhexe,

This is a fallacy being recycled, but has been refuted many a time. A conversation for another day. 

1 hour ago, Arafaat said:

The issue isn’t about ‘Somalinimo’ identity, it’s about politics and political directions for the people that is realistic, workable and achievable. 

How did you arrive at that conclusion? I wish I had the time to dispel that.

[Illyria]

35 minutes ago, Che -Guevara said:

Grxjs were central to Dervish movement.

True at first, but that all changed in mid stream. You should familiarise yourself with, and re-read "Diiwaanka Daraawiisheed".