Switzerland: the perfect system for the Somali people

[Tallaabo]

 

[Holac]

Tallaabo, I couldn't agree with you more. We need to eliminate the infatuation with being President. Many of our problems originated from clannish ego and who rules whom. Having said that, before we accept such model, generations of Somalis must be given high level education. We have a high percentage of cawaans leading the Somalis. 

[Tallaabo]

Holac, imagine a nation with no president or prime minister but with a several executive Committee members with equal powers and a rotating chairmanship governing the country. A Parliament directly elected by the people and whose members can be sacked by the electorate overseeing the decisions of the executive Committee!! 18 Federal States with their own directly elected governments and with no presidents running everything from taxation to health care, education, justice, and social security spending. Justice system where the courts select the jury from the local communities. 

I don't know why the Somali people are so incapable of at least learning from others who are better than us at doing great things. The Chinese learn from the West and they are not ashamed of it. Are we better than the Chinese? 

[Holac]

Swiss Parliament explained.

 

[Tallaabo]

18 minutes ago, Holac said:

Swiss Parliament explained.

 

This is millions of miles ahead of the animal zoo we have for parliaments!! This is really depressing   as it exposes our shear backwardness. 

[Dahireeto]

No President? No Prime Minister?  Man, Switzerland is the coolest country in the world. 

Sadly, it is the average person that make all the difference. It will take 10,000 years for Somalis to behave like the Swiss. 

[Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar]

Reer Iswiserlaan isku af, diin, dhaqan iyo deegaanba midkoodba ma'aha. Dantaa ku qasabtay inay maamulkooda u sameystaan suu u sameysanyahay.

Having said that, dal ka cunsireysan Yurub ma jiro. Abtigey 18 sano ku noolaa, 15 sano ka mid ahna u shaqeynaaye until pension noqday ma siinin dhalashadooda, only degnaansho la cusbooneysiinaayo every year.

I met qoftoo baasaboorkooda heysato in Islii in 2009. She kinda seemed proud of having that Red Cross-flagged passport, with her thick Jarmal-speaking language. Qof isku dhaceyso ahayd. Waaba la iga casuumay inaa Zurich tago. She is still awaiting. 

[Old_Observer]

I don't think is practical or possible to have same or similar system in the rest of Europe let alone in Africa.

Example if we take Somalia:
An angry tribe from Puntland another angry tribe from Awdal another angry tribe from Mogadishu and another angry tribe from NFD...etc have to meet in lets say the Bay and agree to establish a system where they protect from each of their source areas. That means all are ready to fight against Puntland or NFD or Juba mainly those that came from these areas.

Immediately this creates an environment where Puntland and Somaliland are telling each other "don't touch the Bay".

That is how it was set. I can't see that happening here. Do you think a tribe that went to the Bay can protect the Bay even if it means fighting against their own tribes from other areas?

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

I think nothing  beats  4.5 it's the best system  till this very time it works

[Samafal]

It can not work for Somalis. Somalis are oral community. They don't respect laws or any written agreements. 

Idinku ma aragteen wixii dowlado nasoo maray sharci lagu kala baxayo? Everyone wants their way to succeed even it means trumping on the constituition and judiciary system. It needs generations of educated population to get to the level of Swiss people. 

[galbeedi]

A basic and  local transparent election will be enough for us.  Just let the locals pick their mayor , council and governor. Then give them the basic powers of taxing and spending the revenue to local services. 

The Somali people do not follow the laws that they do not like.  There were never any case in the country that was debated in court of law the ended with victims getting justice or the judge following the rules. If you are weak and commit the crime , it will be easy to convict and end in jail. Have you  seen anyone from the government or the elite ever go to jail? never. 

Our best bet is a benevolent authoritarian leader who allows locals to deliver the basic services  while keeping the nation together.

[Haatu]

Till when will we keep going in circles looking for solutions elsewhere before we realise it was with us all along? The Somalis have an ancient system of governance called Gende which is ruled by the Xeer Eji (or Aji). Contrary to popular belief this xeer wasn't unique to just the Dir but a Somaliweyn thing. This is a system whereby the clan elders rule by consensus amongst themselves and amongst their kinsmen. It was by use of this system and the Xeer Eji that the Somalis were able to conquer Jubbaland and NFD from the Oromo. The creation of Somaliland and Puntland is also reminiscent of this old system whereby the clans come together to solve their differences internally and create their own form of governance. A successful system that fits the Somali psyche. No need for democracy or any other foreign system that is doomed to fail.

[Old_Observer]

3 hours ago, galbeedi said:

 

Our best bet is a benevolent authoritarian leader who allows locals to deliver the basic services  while keeping the nation together.

If one could be found where the dictator does not interfere with the doily management of communities except to come open roads, cut ribbons etc and the people in the provinces don't all want to be dictator for there is only one chair.

 

 

[Tillamook]

18 hours ago, Haatu said:

Till when will we keep going in circles looking for solutions elsewhere before we realise it was with us all along? The Somalis have an ancient system of governance called Gende which is ruled by the Xeer Eji (or Aji). Contrary to popular belief this xeer wasn't unique to just the Dir but a Somaliweyn thing. This is a system whereby the clan elders rule by consensus amongst themselves and amongst their kinsmen. It was by use of this system and the Xeer Eji that the Somalis were able to conquer Jubbaland and NFD from the Oromo. The creation of Somaliland and Puntland is also reminiscent of this old system whereby the clans come together to solve their differences internally and create their own form of governance. A successful system that fits the Somali psyche. No need for democracy or any other foreign system that is doomed to fail.

I agree.

The premise of the suggestion that we should imitate the Swiss, or any other peoples for that matter, is flawed and reeks of defeatism and will not be a panacea for our country’s problems.

Just like our ancestors, I am confident—in due course— Somalis shall find a viable, homegrown governance solution that is in tune with who we are as a people and will enable us once again to compete with the rest of the world.

As the saying goes: Rome was not built in one day...

[Old_Observer]

5 hours ago, Tillamook said:

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As the saying goes: Rome was not built in one day...

But the choice/decision to build Rome was taken in one day at the senate. And for more than a thousand years they never looked back.

Imagine how much energy and time and human life is spent in Somalia just going into two different directions of Unitary or Federal. Its all most same amount spent on going the 5 Star irridentist or work in the five parts and succeed in all of them as they are.

One cannot be going for a generation in one direction, next generation in another direction yet another generation in completely different direction.

Imagine if the First TFG had taken to heart what they agreed in theory and worked on it. Federalism they agreed, but immediately went against it to unitary.

From experiences world wide, you cannot go back to unitary from Federalism. That is tried and tested and killed few countries. I think is time all Somali realize this and move on to build the system, implement it.

What Farmaajo and co. trying is waste of time. Going through the round one more time.