Have you ever thought something like this for Somalia?

[Old_Observer]

There is an idea making the grapevine in Ethiopia to bring together all organizations and governments that fought in the last 50 years.

Including Mengistu himself. A big festival in Addis Ababa and all hand shaking and cchit chating in public.

[Tillamook]

Old Observer, the not-so-funny comedian..😀

[Dahireeto]

You see,  in Somalia, clans fought each other, not people. loool. I know you will say, that doesn't make sense. Who are the clans? Aren't they made up of individuals? Yes, but in Somalia, the clan fighters are to always remain unknown.  

 

 

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

It's very difficult for somalis it's to radical to many conflicts. For example the mudug divide habargangster clan and the pirates up north. The Mogadishu war cali Mahdi vs caydiid.  Caydiid butchering Mogadishu residents who shared an abtirsi with afweyne. Imagine your own neigbor killing you. It was very ugly dagaalki ehliga.

Then gen gabyow  and moorgen and barre hiiraale fighting over kismayo.  Caydid conquering bay and bakool. It's It's cycle of violence for Somalis. And thats only koonfurians doing that to each other.

What about the crimes general afweyne moorgen  gaani canjeex maslax and cali samatar and tuke. Committed against the people of Somaliland. Somalia  And Somaliland divide is even worse.

 

War waxa inugu faqfaqina.ninwalba waxbu tirsanaya. Laga lug bixiyi mayoo

[Old_Observer]

2 hours ago, Tillamook said:

Old Observer, the not-so-funny comedian..😀

Pessimist lol

Did you atleast imagine for a second which groups would be invited in Somalia?

 

[Old_Observer]

2 hours ago, Xaaji Xunjuf said:

It's very difficult for somalis it's to radical to many conflicts. For example the mudug divide habargangster clan and the pirates up north. The Mogadishu war cali Mahdi vs caydiid.  Caydiid butchering Mogadishu residents who shared an abtirsi with afweyne. Imagine your own neigbor killing you. It was very ugly dagaalki ehliga.

Then gen gabyow  and moorgen and barre hiiraale fighting over kismayo.  Caydid conquering bay and bakool. It's It's cycle of violence for Somalis. And thats only koonfurians doing that to each other.

What about the crimes general afweyne moorgen  gaani canjeex maslax and cali samatar and tuke. Committed against the people of Somaliland. Somalia  And Somaliland divide is even worse.

 

War waxa inugu faqfaqina.ninwalba waxbu tirsanaya. Laga lug bixiyi mayoo

It looks impossible until you look at it from a practical point of view. What is the alternative? Wait until one tribe wins over the other. Burry the history forget the wrongs and move on?

At least maybe a good idea to do it regionally over smaller wrongs than 1991 or 1988 or 2006 or others,

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

The koonfurians don't want to open  that book. We have discussed  this topic excessively here on sol  since  2000. After Carta. Because it's to sensitive to controversial.  And in somali tribal society with stubborn Somalis all extremely proud garina ma gasho

It's hard  To find a middle ground. Perhaps surivial of the fittest ninki  roon reerka ha u hadho. Oday awoowgay  ah oo beri hore dhintay ayaa yidhi  dhanka hawsha itoobiya anagu joogna. Qabiilku haa wadda loolaman sidi labba quroomood eh. Qaabil iyo haabil baa qadham bay iskaga siiyeen eh.

 

[maakhiri1]

Yes, the meeting will happen in hell

[Tillamook]

5 hours ago, Xaaji Xunjuf said:

It's very difficult for somalis it's to radical to many conflicts. For example the mudug divide habargangster clan and the pirates up north. The Mogadishu war cali Mahdi vs caydiid.  Caydiid butchering Mogadishu residents who shared an abtirsi with afweyne. Imagine your own neigbor killing you. It was very ugly dagaalki ehliga.

Then gen gabyow  and moorgen and barre hiiraale fighting over kismayo.  Caydid conquering bay and bakool. It's It's cycle of violence for Somalis. And thats only koonfurians doing that to each other.

What about the crimes general afweyne moorgen  gaani canjeex maslax and cali samatar and tuke. Committed against the people of Somaliland. Somalia  And Somaliland divide is even worse.

 

War waxa inugu faqfaqina.ninwalba waxbu tirsanaya. Laga lug bixiyi mayoo

Xaaji Xunduf, I'm sure no one has the sort of encyclopaedic knowledge about the myriad atrocities that took place all across Somalia during the civil war... so answer me this: why is it that your political leaders are the ones  who can’t help but dig up the bones and sinews of civil war victims just to score some petty political points and won’t allow bygones to be bygones. How do you expect our nation to move forward and reconcile?

 

 

[Tillamook]

16 minutes ago, Ducale said:

Remembering our dearly departed help us "move forward". You can't ignore reality and ecpect to move on like nothing happened. But I think you should blame the kacaan for leaving so many mass graves. 

 

Besides its not like they left a map. It would have saved us lots of time.

 

 

You need to act like an adult and address what’s at hand without talking nonsense. You blame the Kacaan, right? Is the Kacaan in existence now? Didn’t the Kacaan destroy the whole nation? Didn’t all Somalis rise up against it  and bring it down? So why do you still choose to cry about a Kacaan that is dust and gone?

You h@bros have some seriously low  self-esteem that you need to collectively get over. And maybe, just maybe, you should try to emulate your fellow Somalis for once in your lives, who by their own nature, hardiness and endurance have overcome the nightmares of the civil war and look forward to a brighter future.

[Tillamook]

^

Its a pity that I attempted to have a cogent discussion  with a troop of delirious baboons..😆

Alright my simian friends, continue unearthing the remains of your deceased ancestors in the hopes of that elusive recognition.👍

[Che -Guevara]

In most civil wars, rebel groups that overthrow governments assume leadership and don't destroy the state. In Somalia, one group tried to dismember the country and the other went on rampage. Whatever Siyad's shortcomings were, it was the sole responsibility of the rebel groups to rescue the country from the brink once he was out of the picture.

So, if USC and SNM are claiming victory, anything that happened after Barre was their sole responsibility. They should have been prepared for the day after.

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Che  valid points  SNM was a very  pragmatic and democratic rebel movement. President siilaanyo and president tuur and Ibrahim meygaag samatar head of SNM guurti had a clear plan. A USC  SNM gov in a lose federation 2 armies one flag one foreign policy. But gen caydiid couldn't  deliver  cali mahdi  declared him self president in djibouti we heard on the BBC that Somalia had a new president..   Caydiid was to harsh on the D  clan and to soft on his own clan. We had to declare independence and unite our people. So we organized the burco independence conference  and the rest you know. Anagu xamar dooni meyno xumaana ugeysan mayno that was the motto

[Che -Guevara]

4 minutes ago, Ducale said:

One rebel group rescued their part of the country and made peace with other clans. The biggest mistake snm made was not pushing forward to galkacayo as was the plan and fumigate those who later brought in the tigaray.  If snm stayed with their original plan things woulf have gone differently. There wouldn't be a jajuus state called puntland.   Laakiin halka Allah ayey ka qorneyd iney xalaadu sidan ahaato.  

Seek help.

[Samafal]

LoL@crazy claims of Qaat induced Jeegaan is amazing. Wallahi if delusion could win, it would be these lot that would win something. Their bitterness of Reer Puntland reached a level where they claim if we had donethis, this would not have happened. Bal why don't you come true of your wishes and march to Gaalkacyo now? Why if we had? Afterall you have strongest army in Horn of Africa, right? So, go ahead and do it now.

This SNM thing you so fondly talk about was the most failed armed rebel group in the country. The only thing they ever did was to throw bullets and hide behind women and children , and that was what led to the dictator levellling a whole town to the ground. Caqli xumo iyo fulaynimo wataas. After that they were nowhere to be seen. They only reappeared when the government collapsed in 1991, sameway SSDF reappeared out of nowhere. And by the way if any rebel group weakened the Siyaad, it was SSDF. They had real army that fought government many battles, where as SNM was just a gorrila movement same way as Alshabaab do. USC have ultimately overthrown the government but the Somali army was already weakened, and they used clan sentiment very well. Case in point how they captured Mogadidhu. But credit of overthrowing Siyaad goes to them and not SNM or SSDF, as if they did not overthrow him, today the government would be intact in those areas as they both have been defeated.