I don't particularly hate or love my job, but my bosses are GREAT.

Originally posted by osman_nz: Puntland is not hungry like the south or sland...the map says that...and thats all that matters for me. You posted this for political scoring points, and Puntland is that all matters?

I am not sure you understand what alshaabs demans are. But lets deal with the ones you listed above. Xiin To understand their demands, you will have to first accept and embrace them as the legitimate political movement.Reading what many on SOL write about Al-Shabaab, it is evident many can not bring themselves into acknowledging Al-Shabaab as legimate political and social. Casting them as irrational fanatics gives little credence to your arguments! On the issue of AU forces, time and time again, the Sharif "government" has put out contradictory statements, and have even asked more troops to help their cause. The AU itself has said they will do everything possible to defend the government if that means bringing more troops including the Tigreys. Sharif hasn't done or said anything to dispel statements. There has be clear message from the "president" endorsed by the cabinet and the parliament. The AU must also agree with to this. Anything less is just grandstanding. And as far as the issue of Sharif letigimacy is concerned, for practical purposes any government must enjoy sovereignty over its land/resources and must also have consent of its people to make any meaningful change.One could barely associate these variables with the Sharif government. They barely control Xamar let alone the rest of the country, the support from people is minimal again evidenced by the reluctance of people to defend this government. You pointed to the fact the government represents all Qabiils. Let's examine and see if the individuals representing the different qabiil actually have support from constituents. The honest answer is no. More importantly most of MPs don't reside in Mogadisho and are barely there to contribute anything meaningful to the government. In reality, they represent nobody and contribute nothing to governance of Somalia. This was clearly demonstrated when Memo of Understanding between the TFG and Kenya came to light.MPs failed miserably to tackle.In fact, many happily reside in Nairobe. On the international front, the support for Sharif is only in paper. Though, it's politically recognized,the international community deprived the TFG necessary tools to survive or importantly thrive.The international community has promised funds, but delivered little to help the TFG in setting up proper security forces, building government institutions, establishing proper bureaucracy, rehabilitating clan militias, and offering very basic services. You saw the latest donor conference where the money that was promised is mostly to AMISOM. The United Nations Political in Somalia and UNDP are responsible for the reconstruction and politics of Somalia according the UN. These organizations are paid to help Somalis are based in Kenya. The best they have done is to conduct one day seminars for MPs in Baydhabo (Yeey's time), Hargeysa, and Garowe.Mark Bowden shows up in provincial capitals and Mogadisho to make it seem like UN is actually doing something. History my friend has shown the world and the UN is not interested to put an end to Somali troubles. If you believe otherwise, do share your reasons..? The role of International community means nothing unless they contribute to the TFGs capicity building which is badly needed.

Xiin-If history is anything to go by, no one alone can secure Xamar. Only political settlement can pull the curtains on this stalemate. The demands of Al-Shabaab are simple and within reason. AU forces must leave the country, Sharif must stop pretending that he leds the legitimate government of Somalia, and the Sharia law must be implemented.

Sources please?

^That maybe so, but why would anyone justify the occupation of Isreali by agreeing to help in ethnic cleansing.

Duke-I don't care who's Muslim or who's not, but I do care is not have subservient state which Sharif and company are advocating and fighting for. Movements are bigger than one man but you wouldn't know that, would you..?

^Says the man who supported the shelling of Xamar by foriegn invaders and continue to appease more shelling by "peacekeepers".

Jb...Terrorist organization according to you, just because they made to the list of terrorist organizations by State Department doesn't mean they are. These men fought for their country against occupation, brought peace to the part of the south they control, and stop the injustices visited on our people by maruading militias. My support for them stems from the fact they are the best chance to bring lasting peace to the south. Duke...Failure resides in Yemen!

There are too many promises in this speach that can't be realized. He tried to appease too many people which certainly will make his job impossible.The most important issues he talked are the Isreali-Palestanian problem. It seems there is new tone, more pronounced than anything other administrations before ever said. He touched on the Iran nuclear issue, very wise of to throw in their corner.He brought the issue of democracy in place where dictatorship has reigned for so long.His sincerity about Muslim leaders is questionable. I did like however his effort on how democracy and traditions are not irreconsible. And I'm glad he admitted the Iraq was mistake, and made point they seek no bases or access to Iraqi resources. Absent from all this is however any references to the Muslims in the continent of Africa. I wonder if he has the same sort of speach for dark continent.

Oh man, you are real drama queen!

We shall fight them too

^I must be on your naughty list since nothing has come my way.

Ms.DD No thanks for the invite, but I'm doing well. I saw nothing crazy so far this week. Sheh...the tendecy to be magnet for all things lewd from the least expected places and people.

^Yaa sab loo sameehooyaa.

Originally posted by Ibtisam: ^^Yes, you are sure or yes, you felt a little dazed She's still little dazed Habo....Where are you going. LooooooL@Sheh...don' t project aa, nagadaadey, you do know you and I get alot in common :cool:

The question about the ancestry of the Somali Bantus is tricky one. I was always under impression it's the Somali that migrated from the north and settled in the south taking over the land of the natives (Somali Bantus)?

Dagaalada Muqdisho oo sii ballaartay iyo Mucaaradka oo goobo cusub qabsaday Dagaalada ka socda Magaalada Muqdisho ayaa sii ballaartay, kadib markii ay dhowr jiho ay dagaalo ka qarxeen, waxayna dagaalada ay u muuqdaan kuwo ku sii baahaya xaafado hor leh oo aanay horay dagaalada gaarin. Dagaalo waabarigii saaka ka bilowday Degmada Yaaqshiid ayaa sii kululaaday, kadib markii Xoogaga Mucaaradka ay heleen gurmad xoogan, kaasoo aaqirkii u suura geliyay inay la wareegaan Saldhiga Yaaqshiid ilaa Fagax. Ciidamada Dowladda oo iska caabin ku jiray ayaa awoodi waayay weerarada ballaaran ee ay ku soo qaadeen Xoogaga Mucaaradka oo dhowr jiho ka soo weeraray, taasoo keentay in laga soo saaro goobo ay horay u qabsadeen. Afhayeen u hadlay Xoogaga Mucaaradka, gaar ahaan Xisbul Islaam ayaa sheegtay inay dib u qabsadeen Saldhiga Yaaqshiid, waxaana Afhayeenkan oo lagu magacaabo Axmed Laashin uu cadeeyay inay dagaalka guulo ka gaareen saanadna uga qabsadeen dhanka Ciidamada Dowladda. Sidoo kale dagaalada oo ay wehliyeen Madaafiic ayaa ku habsanayay xaafado dad rayid ah degan yihiin, waxaana jira dhimasho soo gaartay dad rayid ah oo gaareysa ilaa 5-ruux, halka dhaawacana uu intaa ka badan yahay. Dhinaca kale dagaal cusub ayaa iyana waxaa uu ka qarxay duhurnimadii maanta Isgoyska Siinaay, Xararyaale iyo Afarta Jardiino, iyadoona dagaaladan ay qeyb ka yihiin dagaaladii maalmahan Kooxaha Mucaaradka iyo Ciidamada Dowladda ku dhex marayeen Degmooyinka Wardhiigley, Yaaqshiid iyo Boondheere. Dagaalada oo ah kuwa kolba meel u guur guuraya ayaa ilaa iyo hada wax natiijo ah aanay ka gaarin dhinacyada dagaalamaya, marka laga reebo qasaaraha dadka rayidka soo gaaraya, waxaana dagaalada oo ah kuwo wajiyo cusub galaya ayaanu jirin wax horumar ah oo ay labada dhinacba ka gaareen, marka laga soo tago goobo aan istiraatiiji aheyn oo ay marba koox ay la wareegeyso. Xaalada Degmada Dharkeenley ayaa degan kadib dagaaladii shalay halkaas ka dhacay, kaasoo ilaa xalay socday, waxaana Degmadaas gacanta ugu jirtaa Ciidamada Dowladda KMG Wixii warar ee ku soo kordha kala soco Jowhar.com jowharnews@gmail.com

Who then....?

If Sharif is pinning his hopes on tired recycled characters, then God help him.

Johnny...Apart from your obsession with anything Islam, why are you against them? On lighter note,If there's anything Al-Shabaab achieved, it would be making Johnny embracing the Islamic government of Somalia..Who knows if they keep it up, they might even make you wear Surwaal Khamiis.

By JEFFREY GETTLEMAN Monday, June 01, 2009 NAIROBI, Kenya — Somalia is once again a raging battle zone, with jihadists pouring in from overseas, preparing for a final push to topple the transitional government. The government is begging for help, saying that more peacekeepers, more money and more guns could turn the tide against the Islamist radicals. But the reality may be uglier than either side is willing to admit: Somalia has become the war that nobody can win, at least not right now. None of the factions — the moderate Islamist government, the radical Shabab militants, the Sufi clerics who control some parts of central Somalia, the clan militias who control others, the autonomous government of Somaliland in the northwest and the semiautonomous government of Puntland in the northeast — seem powerful enough, organized enough or popular enough to overpower the other contenders and end the violence that has killed thousands over the past two years. Somalia analysts say the main event, the government versus the Shabab, will drag on for months, fueled by outside support on both sides. The United Nations and Western countries see the transitional government, however feeble, as their best bulwark against piracy and Islamist extremism in Somalia, and are pumping in hundreds of millions of dollars for the government’s security. At the same time, the Shabab are kept afloat by an influx of weapons and fighters, much of it reported to be flowing through neighboring Eritrea. The Shabab, more than anyone else, have succeeded in internationalizing Somalia’s conflict and using their jihadist dreams to draw in foreign fighters from across the globe, including the United States. The Shabab, which means youth in Arabic, are a mostly under-40 militia who espouse the strict Wahhabi version of Islam and are guided, according to American diplomats, by another, better-known Wahhabi group: Al Qaeda. web page

^Who are the "civilized" people?

Malika...Koleey waxbaa soo guuxaya,I'm not sure if A&T is key though.

Amman, Jordan; and Jerusalem - Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and senior members of his cabinet have pushed back hard against a renewed US demand to end settlement activity in the occupied Palestinian territories. Interior Minister Eli Yishai said Sunday that it amounted to "expulsion." But 53 Israeli parliamentarians have moved to explore another kind of expulsion: Under a proposal to be reviewed this week, Jordan would become the official homeland for Palestinians now living in the West Bank. Among the challenges facing the proposal is this: nobody asked Jordan if it would support such a plan. Not surprisingly, it doesn't. Nearly half of the Knesset's 120 members moved last Wednesday to pass the "two states for two peoples on the two banks of the River Jordan" proposal on to the Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee for further discussion. Israeli officials say the Knesset's vote does not represent the government's position and is unlikely to become official policy, while analysts dismiss it as a bid from the far right to undermine Mr. Netanyahu. But for many in Jordan, the bill personifies concerns about Israel's new, conservative government and its lack of commitment to the peace process. "It has done big damage," says Mamdouh Abbadi, a member of the Jordanian parliament who has been among the most vocal in calling for government action against the proposal. "Even if it's not passed, when 53 members of the parliament [Knesset] accept this law in the first reading, this is very important. We can't think it's just for show; it's the real thinking of the Israeli parliament and they represent the people." Last week, Jordan's foreign minister summoned the Israeli ambassador to deliver an official letter rejecting the idea and calling for the Israelis to stop the bill last week. In parliament, a group of at least 36 lawmakers are working to encourage their government to take strong action against Israel. web page