Crocodile Tears and Crybaby Syndrome! Abdul-Aziz Muhammad Thursday, September 03, 2009 Forgive me if I do not buy any sympathetic tears of a so-called Somalilander, or an apologist for such, for Somalia plight manifest in its Southern part. It is an-easy to spot crocodile tears (hypocritical), which would not fool any one with basic intelligence. All well-wishing sincere advice directives, such as “cleanup your mess or get your house in order,” penned by a believer in Somaliland to other Somalis are another form of self-adulation. The self-declared, which nobody recognizes, breakaway-Somaliland elite have been traveling around the world declaring the “death of Somalia”. They miss not a single opportunity to bury Somalia alive, all be it with faint pulse! They know this is their only chance to realize their generational dream of splitting off from Somalia. A simple deductive logic is to the Issue. When the prospect of law and order in South Somalia has been endlessly bleak, the whole world has not moved an inch to recognize North Somalia as an independent country. What chance the realization of the independence dream of the North if the problem in the South is solved? None! Therefore, the hopes of the privileged few in Hargeisa are heavily invested in the unending chaos to their south. This is not to say they are responsible. Inversely, the bedlam in the south plus the fantasy of a successful secession, I would propose, has been the incentive for the peace in the North. There is no magic, miracle or an inherent local ingenuity to this wonderful tranquility and self-governance in the North! Do not believe when you hear or read about some special culture of expertise or craftiness which distinguishes any Somalis in one corner to another! For better or worse, whatever is possible of Somalis in one region of Somalia is potential in any region. From the start-line of same biological, cultural, and social DNA–background, all Somalis have a mirror-image potential for peace and order, chaos, clan wars, religious fanaticism and democracy. For that fact, pray hard against it, but do not be surprised if Hargeisa, one of these days, is Mogadishuized. The same people, Somalis, who turned all Mogadishu buildings into giant colanders (Baasta miir) are there. The potential, therefore, is real! How disingenuous of Somalis who shown pure hatred for Somalia to cry about little bashing of them, especially when they claim they achieved democracy. I thought dissent is one of the crowning terms of a democracy! A believer in Somalia does not bash Somaliland without a good cause, when a Somaliland fact would split the map of Somalia. While a believer in Somaliland puts all his hopes for a new country on the death-knell of Somalia as we know it! I would think: it would be a first-class naïveté for the latter to expect from the former a “job well-done” sycophantic note! Rather, he should take at least, and not cry like a baby, some genuine scolding. There is an authentic and spontaneous, nationalistic feeling about Somalia, as one whole country, however in trouble it maybe at the moment. This is more so for Somalis for the historical denial of greater Somalia by colonial powers and for the fact the same and indistinguishable in anyway people are involved! The self-absorbed so-called Somalilanders would never understand or appreciate that! I can almost hear their cynical comeback with the following question: If you care for Somalia so deeply, why have you destroyed it? My answer to that is there is a difference between destroying the state, which could and will be reconstituted sooner or later, and the destruction of Somalia unity and territorial integrity. One is temporary, the other eternal! By the way, who hates whom here? Donald Payne, a U.S Member of Congress, who is the chairman of the Subcommittee on Africa, found out the Somaliland leaders’ hatred of Somalia firsthand. The congressman invited the leaders of the Transitional Federal Government, Puntland and Somaliland for a hearing. The topic of the hearing was: Prospects for Lasting Peace and a Unified Response to Extremism and Terrorism. All three entities accepted invitation. A week before the hearing, however, Somaliland leaders demanded a separate hearing. The following was the Congressman’s response: “We informed the Somaliland government that their request was unacceptable and defeats the main purpose of this hearing. If Somalilanders cannot sit with fellow Somalis to explore ways to bring peace to Somalia at this critical juncture, I wonder what this says about their commitment to all Somalis.” What enmity whose roots gone deep forced them to abandon the few hours-long sit-downs side by side with their fellow Somalis? I wonder! Do not start me on hatred, when the So-called Somaliland had many times handed over Somalis to Ethiopia! Somali refugees from the Somali region of ****** were often collected from Hargeisa and other towns to be handed, as they were, to the enemy they fled! The same happened, I was told, with less frequency in Puntland—a clear sign of how Somalis these days have trespassed every which way on their fraternal codes. Amazing! Personally, I would never apologize for my absolute belief in one-Somalia. Any region in Somalia so delusional as to harbor, let alone declare, slicing away from Somalia would never receive my compassion. It was understandable, but never forgivable, when great foreign powers divided up the Somali people. My fellow Somalis doing this, in this 21st century when technology and interdependency reduces this world to a “Global Village,” it is moronic! What reasonable, enlightened in democracy would insist on separating from their own kind? Real democracy upholds universal equality and coexistence of all humanity. Whatever they are cooking in Hargeisa is not such democracy. It is more like “segregation” of one Somali from another. It is a scheme whose self-appointed Declaration of Independency may as well begin with these words: We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all Somalis are not created equal, that they are only endowed as separate people by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness! Also, spare me from the exaggerated boastings of untold riches and this or that progress achieved in the North. Frankly, Mogadishu businesses have shown far clever entrepreneurial initiatives under the severely limiting disorder of civil war. Mogadishu telecom industry, like telephone, internet and TV are even above par with neighboring Kenya and many other African countries. Under anarchy many economical improvements were pioneered by Mogadishu-based businesses. Read Professor Peter T. Leeson’s paper: Better OFF Stateless: http://www.peterlees on.com/Better_Off_St ateless.pdf With 2 decades of peace, Somaliland has not progressed as much as it should have. The port of Barbara, for instance, is almost at stand-still, with little traffic. There has not been much livestock export from Barbara, while Kenya had seen the doubling, from Somali government days, of Somali livestock imports through the border! These days too, the make-believe democracy for independence is under assault. Elections postponed, people arrested at will and without due process and free press silenced here and there, all these are in the news lately! Granted, Peace is one big accomplishment in Somaliland. Of course, with peace, the privileged few throughout Somaliland, from their earnings in the Gulf of Arabia, enjoy the good life. But there have not been much of widespread business initiatives throughout Somaliland. These days, it is terrible to be poor in Somaliland. The children of the poor cannot go to school either, because their parents cannot afford the tuition fee. You should see many orphaned or poor kids who are high on shoe-glue, who constantly beg motorists and pedestrians alike, in the streets of Hargeisa. It is the classical tale of two cities: the haves and have-nots. It makes you wonder if the poor ever worries or concerns themselves with secession politics! Ironically, while the well-off in Hargeisa brag of accomplishments on one side of their mouth, they readily excuse lack of progress, when pointed out to them, on being not recognized as a state. This is another incentive, no doubt, for the well off to aim independence for, for millions of dollars in foreign aid will be at their disposal. This move for independence is more complicated than just for local pride or clannish wishes. There is much money to be made from for the crème de la crème in Hargeisa! I would agree with those who call for amiable debate on Somalia or seceding from it. People have to disagree without being disagreeable. Hate has no room between family members! I would simply point out hate for Somalia does not produce Somaliland! Nor covering up the hate for Somalia, by Somalilanders, with accusations of jealousy and hate for anyone who criticizes this insolent and ignorant secession move is warranted! Qumayyo inta aadan qumayyo ku oran ayeey qumayyo ku tiraah. What a hutzpah or too clever by half wagaash! Abdul-Aziz Muhammad Somam23@wowway.com

Alot of the stuff is factual though-I wanna know where Red would stand on this

^She's shocked that idea of changing Che's position even crossed your mind :mad: Hi Cl, Give me some of the loot-I was promised beachfront in Tanzania

LoL@Cara As liberated woman, you should supporting your sisters' ambitions not mocking it

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^Let them make money out of the Somali misery too, everyone else is.

Ms.DD Zafir laaluush uus bixiyeey.I will roll out the red carpet too. LoL@Malika..dhinacaa s walal igama hayo. Zafir-Quranbaa lasoo saari ila tahey. Gabarta yar dheelo ah odagii bixinayey baa yiri nin xaafid ah gabadhiida siinayaa.

^Haa, and something strange happened.The man isn't the same.

Ms.DD Both? Zafir went to Somalia with Johny hence his long hiatus.

^Who are they?

^Substitute your name with my name(number 9), and do it again.

LOL@Qardho type-Sayid ruined for everyone else I had strawbery shake and water for saxuur and afur is light-still energized though

^ I should sue for discrimination. I'm sure they know names like Ahmed and Mohamed or they could use Osama-I mean this is as destructive as hurricanes.

Juje-Duke is one man force. These kids are recycled though-one or two people getting new nick everytime.

^LooooL@all in her head On different subject, why are hurricanes given only western/christian names? Now hurricane Erika is forming off the Atlantic. I wanna see Hurricane Ahmed and Mohammed.

C&H...Luuqa ugala adiga iyo asxaabtada then kajuciya till she yells Alla, hoogayeey bayeey. Just make sure she's not related to any reer Burco person on this thread.

LOL@dayniile

TAKE THIS TEST... Each of us is the result of the influence of many people. However some individuals have played a significant role in our development. They are often called role models" that we consciously or unconsciously imitate. Perhaps you know who that person is, or perhaps you don't. The world renowned SAMUEL HAIN, Ph.D, has given us a simple way to determine our role model. It is easy and only takes a minute and it may surprise you... WHO IS YOUR ROLE MODEL? Be sure not to peek! You don't want to skew your answer. Try this - it's really neat ... Don't look at the answers: 1) Pick your favorite number between 1 and 9 2) Multiply by 3 then 3) Add 3, then again Multiply by 3 (I'll wait while you get the Calculator...) 4) You'll get a 2 or 3 digit number....... 5) Add the digits together Now Scroll down ........... With that number, see who your ROLE MODEL is from the list below: 1. Einstein 2. OprahWinfrey 3. MotherTeresa 4. RandubiusRaji 5. Barack Obama 6. Johann Von Stueckenberg 7. Brad Pitt 8. Babe RUTH 9. Che Guevara 10.Bill Gates I know........I just have that effect on people ... one day you too can be like me ...... Believe it! P.S. Stop picking different numbers! I AM YOUR IDOL, JUST DEAL WITH IT!

Humble-The ease with which you seem to disptach them without any dues is disconcerting.

Originally posted by humble.: Rightly executed vessel-heads. Elaborate please?

EGYPTIAN MAGAZINE INTERVIEWS PRESIDENT BARRE Question: Was this the point when the campaign in the name of religion began? The exploitation of religion has now become Imperialism's first, last and most important weapon. Reactionaries and imperialists have now become the protectors and guards of religion against its enemies. Imagine who are these “enemies?” They are those who seek to rid the peoples of injustice – banned by God – and to eliminate people’s persecution and repression, which religion came to alleviate. At the beginning, we thought that it was a reactionary outburst which would eventually end. However, we were surprised by a coordinated, loud, noisy and very violent orchestra playing uninterruptedly against us. I, one, who has lived as a faithful Muslim and will die so, became an atheist according to them. They threatened to murder me. Somalia, which has been, throughout its entire history, Islam’s fortress and shield in East Africa, from where Islam was introduced and spread in Africa, became according to them, a communist and debased state. Question: Can I ask, then, why the clash took place with the men of religion regarding the civil status law? And what led to executing 10 of them? President Barre became excited and said immediately: These were not ulemas or men of religion. They were not executed because they were so or because of the civil status law. During the trial, we found out that eight of them could not read or write. We asked one of them to recite one verse of the Qur'an, but he could not. We asked one of them to perform ablutions, and he began by washing his left foot. One of them was not a Somali, etc. biyokulule

Introduction Roobdoon Forum August 11, 2009 The Year 1975 looms large in the annals of Somali history. It was also the year the United Nations General Assembly proclaimed as International Women’s Year. The special objective of International Women’s Year was to promote equality between men and women. What better year than 1975, where inheritance rights for Somali women were given international recognition and visibility. On January 11, 1975, Somali President, Siyaad Barre, announced a decree for women (Xeerka Qoyska), giving Somali women equal inheritance right. [1] As it happened, the new decree, which had a clause safeguarding women’s inheritance right, met a strong opposition at its early stage. Many men denounced the new law on religious grounds. Encouraged by some religious men, many young men organized protests on Friday sermons. In these sermons, they criticized the new law; and regard the observance of equal inheritance right as a step toward atheism. These religious men, lay or sheikh, attacked the new law and assaulted the morality and the goals of the Revolution, assailing in particular the President for ignoring his faith and denying the Islamic values of woman, family, and motherhood. They said justice and equality is one of the pillars of Islam and it helps eliminating all forms of inequality. They spoke about the importance of family in Muslim society. On the other hand, in an interview he gave to an Egyptian Magazine, ROSE AL-YUSUF (below), the President made a reference to foreign involvement in Somali affairs. He said that these foreign agents make use of religion to create riots and unrest in the country. The President declared that those who question Xeerka Qoyska must know that they are law breakers, despite their use of the slogan “Allahu Akbar”. He said the new family law (Xeerka Qoyska) was the culmination of long struggle for equal inheritance right. The President also underlined that “Somali woman was a major pillar in our old and contemporary struggle. Without her, it was impossible for Somalia to become free.” In short, the government viewed this protest against equal rights decree for women as an act that incites subversion of State power and causes national disunity. On January 23, 1975, ten sheikhs were executed in Mogadishu by a firing squad. Their crime was speaking and involving in religious protests against the new family law. The ten men were: 1. Ali Hassan Warsame 2. Ali Jama Hersi 3. Adan Ali Hersi 4. Sheikh Ahmed Iman 5. Sheikh Ahmed Sheikh Mohamed 6. Hasan Issa Iley 7. Mohamed Siyaad Hersi 8. Sheikh Muse Yusuf 9. Saleeban Jama Mohamed 10. Yasin Elmi Awl Here, Roobdoon Forum forwards to its readership an incredible interview with Siyaad Barre, as a part of Zooming into the Past series. After reading it, some will have the impression that the President had few commendable human attitudes; but others may find Siyaad’s statements as nothing but offensive words.

^Their influence if they have any bears no fruit, but since you are sure about this, we will see!!

Why do I get the feeling Gaweto and Mr. Somalia are one and the same?

^Yup Juje-They are not financially, militarily, and politically in position to exert any pressure on the 'governer' or spark any change within Hiiraan. Worse, they lack the public support.