NGONGE reminds of dadkii Maxamad Siyaad habaari jiray not really giving serious on the day after.

looooooool....touche' GaroweG will start petition.

^I think GaroweGirl is saying SOLna "Inoo kala gura wixii isugu keen jiray" looooooool

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NGONGE;759865 wrote: ^^ Unlikely of course. But with new players there will have to be a new AUUN Road Map. It will all depend on what comes out of the dust after the defeat of the outsiders that defeat Al Shabab. It all happens in steps and the more steps, the more change the more chance of people finally getting tired of it all and doing something about it. Keeping things as they are will only be like having warlords for fifteen years before the Courts came and changed the name of the game. I simply want things to change faster this time. Let them all have a go ninyaho. Noted, Zack-let's not BS. You aren't one celebrating Sharif being humiliated? You are more interested putting down others than rather finding solutions. Like NGONGE, your test will come when Ethios roll in.

NGONGE-Gotchu, Somalis would still have to deal with each other even AS and foreigners are both defeated, Will Azania sit down with TFG and Puntland?

Zack- don't support anyone except ONLF but I know the answer is not in foriegn intervention and should foriegners invade, I gladly support anyone fighting them including AS. NGONGE-But seriously though, everyone of you seems to be avoiding the ultimate question. I am just honest enough to say I don't know.

Magool (AUN) was ostracized for her role in the war, this one should suffer the same fate.

NGONGE;759836 wrote: ^^ But AS do not share your Somalnimo ideas, saaxib. Theirs is a perverted idea of Islam that does not at all include Somalnimo nor even pay it lip service. There's argument to be made there specially considering how AS has turned out but I think people misunderstand my motivation for supporting AS. Somalia has had many transitional governments, all of whom failed to build institutions that can protect and serve the people. I was sincere in my belief that AS with vast control over many areas can build government that can be institutionalized, not paper governments in Xamar which are continuously undermined by their foriegn handlers and incompetent selfish leaders. AS like many before has obviously failed. Now if you have any party that can build government with institutions, they have my support. I simply don't see such party and that's largely I believe due to leadership deficit not to mention fractured society.

Zack-For clarification sake, between Ethiopians, Kenyans and AS, I will support AS any day. I will never choose foreigner over Somali specially for clan benefit. NGONGE-I agree in the end, we will join to fight outsiders but what then, wouldn't Somalis turn on each other again? Whether Somalis defeat AS or AS is defeated by foreigners who in turn are kicked out by Somalis, at the end, it will come down to Somalis again. And byway, I'm not claiming I know how to get Somalis to sit down together. I guess dadka uma bisla yet but I don't think foriegn intervention is the answer.

NGONGE;759824 wrote: Zack, I am with you today but when the Ethiopians come back I fear I will not be able to back you up. Well, not unless you support their invasion as long as they defeat Al Shabab. Or, which is slightly ugly but is a way out, you declare your support for Azania as an openly clannish reason. looooooooooool...another one for the record. That said, your logic was amazing..invite the enemies to destroy local movement and wait for true liberation movement to kick out the enemy.

NGONGE;759818 wrote: ^^ Yes. And, for the record, I have never called Duke a traitor. I still think that if we let everyone come (even Ethiopians) and trounce Al Shabab, a liberation movement unconnected to the Shababi madness shall be born. It's the natural progression. Therefore, I welcome all comers. Noted about Duke! I'm with you as long as the foreigners are kicked out of our soil. Zack-Foreigners are foreigners. And if you are gonna accuse of something, don't accuse of being AS silent supporter. I don't mince my words nor change positions because my kinsmen. .

Jacpher;759814 wrote: Che- AT maybe but Zack is a hardcore Kenyan believer. Actually, A&T is worse. His argument depends on how the situation is that day. If Kenyan invasion succeeds, then he will credit himself. If it fails, he will distance himself from it.

The Zack;759812 wrote: CHe Adigu you oppose everything that is reality today. In six months, the Azania community shall be free. Mark my words. LOL@apologizing to Duke. That nigga is a traitor waryaa, we are for freedom, need a prove? Let me know. NGONGE-be witness, this is for the record. Zack-Whatever Duke is, he's not one thing, a hypocrite. loool...what outside box, 20 yrs of foriegn intervention not enough? Tell me, will be you welcoming the Ethios too?

NGONGE-I have never seen you shy away from something. Aaliyah is indeed very loved:-) Anyway, the man can call me he wants but if he's using Aaliyah to jab me, then I must be in good company. Zack-In six months, you will be clapping for another clown when this miserable adventure fails.

Abtigiis;759689 wrote: Dr. Xinn, If all of us here in SOL and those in TFG are naive,why don't you take over this bloody TFG entity with your cunning political skills and save us all from this national paralysis? Cid walba waa naive baad leedahaye, yaa wax garan oo somali u soo hadhay? Ma Che' gan qiiraysan ee the Aaliyah of the political section ah ee ilmada naxariistu ka soo horeysa iyo adigan cid waliba ku wareertay baa talo haya? :D Aaliyah rag badan waa dhaantaa ee afkaaga biijada dheer ka layxi. I gave you and Zack three months when things fall flat, knowing you will be singing different song. loool@NGONGE-the man is running out of arguments hence why he's personalizing. I wonder what arguments will Zack and A&T put forward when Ethiopians start marching in. On side note, we should all apologize to Duke.

NGONGE;759782 wrote: The Hindus have a tradition, it's called Sati. That's all I'm saying. Xaasid amxaar

Nuune waa nin rag ah wadani ah.

Val...There's enough time to continue casting votes, enough to catch up with Nuune. The polls are open till mid December. Zack....I already know who you voted for. I saw before the admin edited the thread.

I was the last one to see him, he literally get banned while we were going back and forth on the existence of God.

^Why not, they are fighting AS too?

^We should welcome them Zack :-)

African Union Considers Sending Ethiopian Troops to Somalia http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/18/world/africa/african-union-may-send-ethiopian-troops-to-somalia.html?_r=1

^You are oblivious or choose to ignore the humiliation being inflicted on Somalis.

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