Liyu police have been killing and raping everyone. Unfortunately, Somalis look their actions through clannish eyes and Liyu use this to their advantage. One of the practices Liyu police does is to recruit boys and commanders from particular district and tribe and send them to another area inhibited by another tribe. This action is replicated everywhere. And at the end of day, what Somalis see is a commander from another clan with militia that are not to the area killing the local people.

^The point is who does it hurt? There are no financial losses to the Somalis and no reputation to uphold?

Somalis don't have deep pockets to artificially inflate the share prices.

I have been Xaaji joined AS and went to Gaashamo:D

^Traditions could be taught and acquired. We just need few brave people, pioneers if you will.

^If one is serious about something, they will make it happen. In Boston, uninvited guests are shownthe door, eventually people in the city got the picture. I think we are just afraid of doing the dirty deed turning someone away.

Blame organizers

Turkey remains true to its word of bringing development projects to the northern Somalia.

Somalia...From your track record, it's safe to assume listing crimes against women in Somaliland is mere politics not expression of sympathy or support for the victims.

Cambuulo iyo bun;805427 wrote: ^^ im from mogadishu and ceydiid aint my communities heroe i can ensure u that, i believe in the same way that morgan aint the heroe of the garowe community.. Yup, there are no heroes in Somalia, just criminals and their insane supporters.

Somalia.....There are things that ought not to be politicized and used for cheap political scoring point and pissing contests, the continues humiliation and rape of women is one of those. If you can't or won't help them, don't add insult to their injuries by mocking their suffering. I have seen women that were raped in camps specially in IDP camps all over Somalia, I wish murugada on their faces on no one nor would I mock them. Please grew up atleast when it comes to this issue.

^LOL

More like St Guinness day

^It's simple logic that apply to all including to whoever I support-if you pick up gun, expect to be killed.

Nothing worse than man who killed people b!tching about the possibility of being killed.

LANDER;805328 wrote: So of all I wrote all you managed to gather was that I was 'making excuses for mass murderers'? Your being a simpleton, you go around asking people how they suppose Siad Barre should have 'dealt with suppresing' rebellions (when discussing his genocidal attempts in Somaliland) and yet I'm the one making excuses? Odd to say the least, I wouldn't dream of excusing any leader responsible for mass killings. What I said was to keep Aidiid's actions in perspective (historically and politically) since you have people making absurd claims he should be more or less responsible than the former legitimate heads of state of Somalia for the bloodshed that occured in this very same thread. If you harbor a certain disdain or bias towards Aidiid for tribal reasons that's understandable, but don't go putting words in my mouth about excusing any mass murder committed by his forces. I didn't see any condemnation when people were making excuses for the former criminal defense minister of Somalia Ali Samatar. Why aren't you disturbed by the excuses being made on behalf of this individual? He held more power and responsibility than Aidiid, and there is more evidence of the orders he gave in acts of mass murder, not to mention he's alive and has had the opportunity to answer for what he has done unlike Aidiid. So why is this guy not worthy of further scrutiny? hmmm...I'm starting to think you're alot more like the simpleton somalis you wish to lump me in with, is it possible? N simpleton? They resort to name calling. And focus this is not about Somaliland. But if you are asking for verdict on Samatar's. The man is guilty. There's difference between asking question ( I am assuming you are referring to something from another thread and nowhere did I say Barre regime should have one thing or another.) and speculating what Aidid might and might not have done if Ali Mahdi was not selected. Highly speculative, what if there were no opportunistic warlords and no Caatos stood in his way, American intervention or whatever. Perhaps, you can tell speculations to the residents of 'city of death' where three hundred thousand perished, far more than your enclave or are there my tribe too? And please you can't possibly know millions of Somalis for you to call all of them simpletons. Refrain from such thing.

Sensei;805308 wrote: Duke, Abwaan & the rest- I attest to you Che has no relation to Maxamed Cabdi Yusuf, dhiig iyo dhacaanba. Chances is he heard that name from you lot, chances also are that you guys are more related to the man. I did hear from Duke for the first and I understand he shares the same lineage as Shangole who's also lumped to me supposedly cuz qabiil ties. I guess everybody needs uncle in SOL to make any sense of their politics.

loooooool@Abwaan I just figured out who Maxamed Cabdi Yusuf? I thought you were better than that ninyahow and you fall for Duke's rumors.

^I have been battling askarta since 2006 and their replacement aka Sharif supporters and Ethiopia's current minions.

Abwaan;805296 wrote: . Maxamed Cabdi Yuusuf ka warran isaga? Hadde cajaladdii Morgan ee Kismaayo looga duubana waad aragtay baan filayaa before aadan dhihin SYL buu astaan u yahay:) They are all mass murderers. And I most hate the man who brought Woyanes to my city of birth and our Capital. Who's Maxamed Cabdi Yusuf?

LANDER;803669 wrote: Who's really to say what type of leader Aideed would have made, despite the mayhem and bloodshed that occured in Somalia we ought to still keep a perspective on Aideed's time. First, Aideed never had absolute power of the country or even the South of Somalia, Siad Barre threw a wrench in those plans with the appointment of Ali Mahdi which I'm sure he realized would cause a fracture within the former USC. Not to mention the American intervention and being surrounded by countless other power hungry and opportunistic leaders within various factions of the former USC like Osman Cato. Secondly, Aideed was a military leader and being a military man I'm only to assume that he's not well suited at playing politics or even the art of making peace at the height of conflict. He did say the right things but as many have pointed out his actions were towards solidifying power and stomping out any opposition. In other words there was no peace for him to keep since at the height of his power he had never known peace, it was still civil war. Secondly, those from Somaliland know very well there are parallels to be drawn from the experience in the south to our very own. Military leaders in the north willingly gave up power and that is the single biggest saving grace of Somaliland, otherwise I don't see how our faith would have been any different from the south. Had the elders of Somaliland and the SNM leadership not agreed upon dissolving the SNM and making way for civilian leadership, I fear it would have been a matter of time before serious wars between various SNM leaders would have exploded and the bloodshed reached levels from which no one side would compromise given the hardened military mindset of these leaders (much like the south). Furthermore, Somaliland had the Burco and Borama conferences that brought together communities in the North to at least agree on some sort of initiative to promote peace and good neighborly relations. So had there been similar conferences in the South that brought together all the tribal elders and representatives and had the same outcomes, would there have been continued bloodshed? who knows really, what is certain is that power was never fully consolidated in the South and they had the unfortunate luck (since it was the seat of former government power) of drawing foreign interventions and interest. Not to mention the tribal and cultural make up of the South is just far more complicated than it was in Somaliland. This is not to diminish the crimes of Aideed and his lot in any way, being a military man doesn't excuse you from having sense of morality or understanding the bigger picture in terms of human suffering and loss. Nor does it diminish the responsibilities that any leader takes by virtue of his position and power. I wanted to emphasize that it was a time of mayhem and that Aideed despite being the most powerful man in Somalia for a brief period, never was able to consolidate that power. Things fell apart relatively quickly and after a while it was hard to keep track of who was fighting whom and who was loyal to whom at least for someone without intimate knowledge of the affairs of South Somalia. Only Somalis would make excuses for mass murderers.

Now this is how politics should be. Proud of Maryooley getting ahead of the game and trying their best to put one of their own in there.

Marriages should have expiration dates.

^LOL

N we wonder why our country is phucked up.