the reality on the ground Whose reality are we talking?...LooooooooL Bacadacas' phantom one, or the fact reer Sool and Sanaag don't share this secession dream. And if it is world standard that you hope would win Sool and Sanaag, then Iam afraid the world will tell you to sit with the south. Somaliland's International letimagacy would only come through Mogadisho, and no sane Somali leader or for matter insane one would agree to dismembarement. You shoud choose to declare independence without Somalia's blessing, then Sool and Sanaag will remain in Somali hands which is the case now anyway.

Is this deterioraton deliberate? LooooooooL@Faarax..You are becoming more conspiratorial. The old man get to go. We need people with fresh ideas and hopefully least corrupt.

b. As for 'minority'. It can also be being a minority, because one belongs into smaller qabiil or it can be a role which points out that one is outnumbered as far their voice against the seccesion.. Yes it's true the majority of rer sool are against the secesion of somaliland and most parts of Sanaag as well, however these areas are outnumbered by those who are for the seccesion in other areas of somaliland. Thus if referendum was taken in the areas which is claimed by Somaliland, the outcome would be a 'yes' vote for seccesion more than likely Riyo ku jidhaa. Every Somali tribe will decide their own faith,but nice try.

Duke....Maybe they might be silly Duke, but still Kismayo is not under TFG rule. What's TFG gonna do in regards to this city. Allamgan....Afguduud is going to the Baydhabo Hilton where likes of Atto and Hiiraale once resided.

Madaxa siyaasada Guutada 1aad ee ciidamada dowlada oo sheegay in saacadaha soo socda Kismaayo ay weerarayaan May 22, 2007 Markacadeey "Wax aan u ogol nahay ma jirto beeshaas, iyo wax ka qaban karaan gobolka" sidaasi waxaa yiri C/nuur jaamac Jookar oo sheegtay in uu yahay madaxa siyaasada ee ciidamada qeybta koowaad ee dowlada federaalka kmg-ka SOomaaliyeed. "Waxaan isugu tashaneynaa, dadkii soo qaxay oo caruur, waayeel iyo haween isugu jira baa meesha noo dhooban, waxaa batay kufsigii, dadkii soo barakacay ayaa la kufsanayaa, ganacsigii waa la dhacayaa, meeshii waa la nacay, ganacsigii waa la nacay, meeshii salka hoose baa laga gooyay" ayuu yiri. C/nuur ayaa sheegay in saacadaha soo socda ay ku soo jeedaan ciidamada ku sugan deegaanka Buulo Gaduud gudaha magaalada Kismaayo, isaga oo tilmaamay in ay xoog ku sifeynayaan magaalada, waa sida uu hadalka u dhigaye. "Waxa ka dhacaya Kismaayo wax Soomaaliya horey u soo marey maaha oo been ma sheegeyno" ayuu hadana yiri. "Waa ku qasban nahay in aan maatada iyo deegaanka aan Bad-baadino oo aan ka bad-baadino dadka cawaanta ah ee waa ku qasban nahay" ayuu hadalkiisa sii raaciyay. Maxamed Cali Madka Xafiiska Markacadeey Muqdisho

Somali government fires the commander of the armed forces Aweys Osman Yusuf Mogadishu 22, May.07 ( Sh.M.Network) The Somali government sacked the first commander of the national armed forces after he was accused of instigating the disturbances that took place in the port city of Kismayu, 500 km south of the capital Mogadishu, late last month. Col. Abdirizak Afgadud, told Shabelle by phone from Bulo Gadud settlement in Kismayu, that the clan fighting which happened in port town had nothing to do with his being fired. “I am a Somali soldier who has been ordered to step down. I took the orders and I am not angry but I was not involved in Kismayu fighting,” he said. He has indicated that he transferred the responsibility to another officer temporarily, stressing that he did not know why he was laid off. The situation in Kismayu is relatively calm lately after a government delegation arrived in the area and successfully mediated the two rival clans that fought over leadership. Somalia’s Defence Minster, Barre Hirakle was also sacked early this month as he was related to violence. Hirale, a former warlord, was in control of the port city before the Union of Islamic Courts, which were routed by the Ethiopian and Somalia troops, forcefully evicted the General out of the town. Shabelle Media Network Somalia E-mail us: info@shabelle.net

Taliyiihii gutada 1aad oo xilka laga qaadey 22 May 22, 2007 - 3:38:22 AM Col. Cabdirisaaq Afgaduud ayaa xilkii taliyaha guutada kowaad ee ciidamada gobolada Jubbooyinka DF laga qaaday. Afgaduud oo saakay GO ay la xiriirtay isagoo ku sugan tuulada Buulo Gaduud ayaa beeniyay in xil ka qaadista lagu sameeyay ay ku lug laheyd dagaalkii Kismaayo ka dhacay, isagoo shegey in uu qaadanayo amarka ka soo baxey DFKMG ah. Afgaduud waxuu qiray in jagadiisa taliyaha guutada kowaad ee ciiidamada DF ee gobolada Jubbooyinka uu la wareegay taliye cusub oo si KMG ah u heyn doona inta taliye cusub loogu magacaabayo. "Aniga waxaan wali ahay sarkaal ka tirsan ciidamada DF, hadii xilkaan la iga qaadayna wax dhibaata ah uma arko waxaana dhici karta in xil kale aan ka qabto ciidamada DF" ayuu yiri Afgaduud. Afgaduud waxuu sheegay inuu isaga mar kasta dhinaca wanaaga uu ka shaqeeyo isla markaana ay soo gaareen warar isaga ku tilmaamay mid diidan wada hadal ay labadii dhinac oo Kismaayo ku dagaalamay gaaraan, waxuuna sheegay inay wararkaasi been abuur yihiin isla markaana isaga yahay ninka ugu horeeya ee dadaalka ugu jira sidii loo dhameyn lahaa khilaafka ka jira Kismaayo. Warar aan la xaqiijin ayaa sheegaya in Afguduud lagu badaley sarkaal kale oo ay ku qanceen ciidamada ku sugan degaanka Buulo Guduud. Cabdi Fatax Axmad,GO

Kismaayo:- Col. C/risaaq Afguduud oo ahaa taliyaha guutada 1aad ee ciidamada DF ayaa laga xayuubiyey xilkii uu horey u hayey. Col.Afguduud oo dhawaan laga saaray magaalada Kismaayo asaga iyo Ciidamadii uu watayba ayaa eedeyn kulul u jeediyay xildhibaan Barre Hiiraale, isagoo sheegay in uu masuul ka yahay qalalahaasa ka jira gobolka Jubbada hoose. C/risaaq Afguduud oo waraysi siiyay mid ka mid ah idaacadaha Muqdishoisaga oo sheegay in xilka laga qaaday isaga oo sheegay in Barre Hiiraale uu ka soo horjeedo DF, isagoo xusay in uusan jecleyn in DF ay maamusho dalka Soomaaliya. "Barre weligiiba ma taageerin DF mana jecla in DF ay maamusho dalka sida uu afkiisa ka qirayo waxa uuna safka hore kaga jiraa dhidada ka taagan magaalada Kismaayo" ayuu yiri C/risaaq Afguduud. Wasiirkii hore ee gaashaandhiga ayaa dhawaan sheegay in DF ay u dirtay magaalada Kismaayo dad aan ehel u ahayn xalinta xiisada ka taagan Kismaayo isagoo sheegay in ay habooneyd in loo diro Kismaayo xildhibaanada iyo wasiirada ka soo jeeda gobolka Jubbada hoose si xal looga gaaro khilaafka siyaasadeed ee ka taagan magaalada Kismaayo. Xilka laga qaaday Afguduud ayaa si kumeel gaar ah loogu wareejiyey saraakiil kale, ayadoo ay arritan astaan u tahay dhaliilaha ku aadan Col.Afguduud oo la sheegay in uusan ahayn nin xilka loo dhiibay kasoo bixi kara, sida uu sheegay mid kamid ah Saraakiisha ku sugan J/hoose. Col.C/risaaq Afguduud ayaa asagu sheegay inuusan kasoo horjeedin in xilka laga qaado, walow uu sheegay inuusan asagu wax lug ah ku lahayn khilaafkii ka dhacay Kismaayo. HorseedNet.com

Somalia lost a good. Adan Cabdulle reer Beled Weyne isla ahaan jirnay.My grandfather knew him long before he become the leader of free Somalia. He was a good man then,and died a better man now. May Allah bless his soul.

Waxaa iyana warar soo baxaya oo aan la xaqiijini sheegayaan in rag uu hogaaminayo wasiirkii hore maaliyada ee Soomaaliya C/raxmaan Jaamac Bare oo ay ka mid yihiin Maslax Max’ed Siyaad iyo C/qaadir Xaaji Masale ay hadda ku sugan yihiin magaalada Addis ababa ee dalka Ethiopia si ay uga codsadaan madaxda Ethiopian-ka in iyaga loo daayo maamulka magaalada Kisaayo gacana lagu siiyo. I guess everyone wanna be Mele's little Biaatch.

Badacas...sure blame Che. On totally diffirent note, were you present at this event. LoooooooooL@Xalimo cat fight

go ahead defend everything and change the subject just to have few things off of your mind.. You have already said it there of how you see an average Somalilander. I haven't changed anything. My view of all Somalilanders that I have meet still stands.Majority of the ones I came into contact with more or less share the sentiments when it comes to the secession issue.Underlying justification for the dismemberment of Somalia is past greivances and the colonial legacy inherited from European partition of Somali lands.If Iam misunderstanding their views, pls illuminate on the issue. As for jew thing, I don't really what you are huffing about. Nobody said that you are Jew not that's anything wrong with that. All Ms D& D did was point parellel similarities between two movements. All you had to do was refute it without going bonkers.

Originally posted by Cara: ^Indeed. Stealth, I'm curious. Would you have backed the UIC if they managed to subdue all of south Somalia and came knocking at Hargeisa's door? His love for the courts stops at the gates of Ari cadeey.

Maybe in your nutshel world, you don't see far beyond their ethnicity, which I am not judging them by, however, their acts against the Muslim world is what has put them on the chapters of the Holy Quran and to this day, they continue to do so, evil doings that is. . Here you have your usual, "I don't judge but" mantra. Reminds of your " I respect SSH people's rights,but the majority Slanders would silence their voice in referendum. Saaxib, hadaad wax dhehdid. Stick to it and back it up with something. Don't try wiggle your way of out it. LooooooooooL@Xiin & Cara...the funny thing is Badacas probably works for Jew. Heck, his state might even have a Jew as senator. One wonder how he reconciles that to his overall view about them.

what's wrong in being a Jew and for matter being compared to one? it shouldnt' be applied and should have absulately nothing to do with Somalis. There is nothing wrong in contrasting human nature or in this case political movements by diffirent social groupings in the world. There could be parallel similarities within movements. Ms D & D made a point about "closing-ranks" mentality. You could try to refute it, but enough with hissy throws about Jews.

There is nothing wrong in being a Jew!!!! P.S. It is an observation. Take it easy.

Tanug You. Will just have to surf diffirent Somaligalbeed sites I guess.

LooooooooooooL@Paragon. You are good man my freind. P.S I can't see the images. Could you add the link please

I am off work.. How convienent Ayeeyo.Bambo meesha dhagtay ka dhaqaaqday. Well, most of the Somalilanders I have meet usually spew the same mantric rhetoric.And majority atleast in my opinion seem to favor the idea of pursuing an identiy of their own which sets them apart from other Somalis and is largely attached to the colonial legacy. And there is certianly a lot emphasis on past grievances coupled with the notion of being a people with diffirent creed-perhaps an antithesis to mainstreem Somali values.

Ms D & D...Yes, wiilal yar yar oo cadiihisa baa hor ordaya not that they are benifitting Cadde's sub-clan.No accountability to anyone. This is what happens when Qabyaalad is tied to goverment. Any move against this man would be seen as an assualt on his subclan. Reer Pland need to get rid off ASAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks Uma....Iam still mastering Malawax.

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^^^Hawd kaa?

^^^It is not your ordinary Shaax.

^^^Lay off on JB. He is very reasonable man.