Originally posted by bilan: That is the problem w/ Somalis, it is all about qabiil. but they are just wasting their time, did SNM asked them to join them in becoming SL to begin with, the truth is they were forced to go w/ SL in 1991 and they will be forced again Now thats very democratic isn't it? But remember just because u r bigger and stronger then awdal the clans in the south are bigger and stronger then you

Freedom noone prays for somaliland downfall. I don't want to see somaliland in chaos dan iguma jirto to be neighbours to chaotic somaliland and a already chaotic galmudug which will see alot of our resources being spent keeping the mess of somaliland out of our zones and thats not what I personally want. I just say this to kick up the dust on ppl but dont literally mean it. But I dont like the colonial policies because xal uma arki for somali problems and i've stated numerous times why I believe colonial policies won't solve somali problem some of the reasons are below. 1.Somali iskuma dilin "yaa ku gumeystey" ee waxay isku dileen arimo ku xirin "qabil" 2. Colonial policies was failed project in africa and asia and that's why the colonials decided to leave. To say we will implement the same colonial mistakes of the past is crazy. 3. Somaliland today is just as tribal orientated as the rest of somalia even though they have supposed "democracy" which is far from the truth. 4. The somaliland admin is forcing people who don't want to be apart of somaliland to join them in this silly experiment. Those are the reasons why I don't like somaliland no other reasons and they are all valid reasons and no snm person has ever responded competently to it to change my mind. The best bet for the somalilanders is to go back to the drawing board and address the tribal problems in the north. Stop using colonial solutions to tribal problems. Awdal has the right to rule themselves just like an snm has the right to rule themselves. Dalku waba federal after-all.

Well this awdal-land didnt just pop up from thin-air I was proving that this awdal-land thing has been around for a while now it may have a community to serve from what I been hearing on Boorama News-Outlet

Some of their points were valid, dont give sool and sanaag wasirs because they already have wasirs in garowe. Dont waste ministerial roles on people who get minister roles in puntland and also hamar.

If silanyo doesn't do something immediately about the cabinet line-up, rayale might just declare autonomy for awdal because politicians can not survive with their people support.

I think my predictions for somaliland to separate might become true. I suggested that awdal and oodweyn will leave somaliland if silanyo becomes president

Che apparantely from what I been reading that flag is their semi-autonomous flag which will fall under somalia federal boundary. Totally acceptable Awdal-Land Im all For it

The Awdal Movement To my fellow Awdalites, a semi-autonomous Awdal province (emirate or state) is the only solution to enhance our standard of living. Economic development is impossible, unless we control our destiny. It is time for the worldwide Awdal community to realize this undisputed truth and push forward for a plan: the Awdal Movement. If Somalia were a tree, than we, Awdalites, are the roots. The whole world knows about our previous civilization, the glorious Awdal Empire (Adal or Adel Empire). This was the first documented history of Somalia. Prior to the Awdal Empire, there was a land that Pharaoh Hatshepsut called The Land of Punt, which geographically lies in what would become the historic confines of the Awdal Empire. If she, Hatshepsut, or our beloved forefather, Sultan Ahmed Guray, were capable of seeing our current situation, they would be disgusted! Why would they be disgusted? Reason being, a once proud and prosperous people are presently at the margins of history. How did we reach such inferiority? There are three main reasons. First, the Awdalites are disunited; bickering over petty inter-tribal problems (what I call Micro-Tribalism). Second, the Awdalites are unorganized, unable to move forward with a coherent plan for self-improvement. Third, and most importantly, the Awdalites have yet to be free to control their destiny. After our glorious empire fell, we were viciously colonized. After that, we became the most ignored region in the Somali Republic, and presently, we are the poorest region in the unrecognized, separatist entity, colonial inspired, “Somaliland[1]”. We Awdalites love to brag about our intellect and how we are the most educated region. Some might even say that we are the highest per capita degree holders. But what good is knowledge when you are not conscious! Comrades please do not misinterpret me, I am a huge fan of education, but what sense does it make to be educated and not truly conscious? Any economist will tell you that the most educated classes are usually well off, and conversely, the less educated are poorer. The more educated one becomes, the higher his income will be, and vice versa. So why does this economic law differ in Awdal? The answer is simple, presently Awdalites are second class citizens, and semi-autonomy is the only solution to fix our numerous problems. As aforementioned, Awdal is currently the least developed province in the colonial inspired “Somaliland”. “Somaliland” is not recognized by any nation in the world, and rightfully so. International recognition is not only given to countries, but is also given to provinces and cities within countries. Since “Somaliland” is not internationally recognized neither is Awdal or any cities within our province. What does this mean? This means that Awdal is hindering her economic development for the sake of the SNM agenda. How many Awdalites have died by the hand of the SNM, and how many women were raped? And we are hindering our economic development for the sake of the SNM, shame on us! We all know about the human rights violations the SNM has committed against the humble people of Awdal. Every Awdalite has a family member who has died in the SNM “War of Atrocities”. We all know about the SNM inviting the Ethiopian enemy for assistance to rape our Awdal women and kill our Awdal children. We will never forget ______________________________ The author puts Somaliland in quotations because he does not believe in such an entity. Our elders fought and died to make the Somali people free from the colonial grasp. As of 1960, Somaliland was defeated and the Somali people were once again independent. The quotations are out of respect for the brave men who are not here no more, may Allah (swt) bless their souls. ______________________________________ the ignominious invasion! So I ask again, why are we Awdalites hindering our economic development for the sake of the SNM and its agenda? What is the SNM agenda? The SNM agenda is the colonial inspired “Somaliland”. The flag, army, institutions, and ambitions of “Somaliland” are those of the SNM. “Somaliland” is the SNM and the SNM is “Somaliland”, this is a fact accepted by every conscious Awdalite. To “Somaliland”, the SNM are heroes, but to conscious Awdalites, they are war criminals. So readers are you conscious or still asleep? The proponents of SNM/”Somaliland” say that they have a right to independence because they were attacked by the Barre regime. In that case, so does Awdal! Was she not attacked by the SNM? To say she does not deserve independence and “Somaliland” does is hypocritical. And if any Awdalite disagrees, than I charge him/her with flamboyant cowardice! There is another reason why the proponents of SNM/”Somaliland” claim independence. This reason is based on the British ordaining the jurisdiction. So my African brothers are using European Imperialism as justifications, how shameful. Nothing more needs to be said. In conclusion, Awdal will never reach her potential and she will remain impoverish as long as she remains a “slave-province”. Slaves never reached their potential, not because they did not want to, but because their masters would not allow this. We must break our chains and free ourselves from the masters that lie in Hargeysa. We must only give our tax money to Borama (our capital and the “heart” of Awdal), never to Hargeysa. From this day on we must only follow Borama, never Hargeysa. Awdalites must become conscious of their situation and start to look after their interest. Hargeysa will never build a port in Awdal, they will never build a road in Awdal, so quit begging them like cowards! WE must build roads connecting Awdal cities and towns to each other and the rest of Mother Africa. WE must build a port in the “pride” of Awdal, Saylac. We must look within! We must declare Awdal to be semi-autonomous! In Solidarity, Aman H.D. Obsiye ______________________________________________________________ Food for Thought Currently, the UN, AU, and all international organizations and every country officially sees Awdal as a province in the Somali Republic. We can not get any international aid or assistance as a province in a “make believe country”. We must declare Awdal a semi-autonomous province (emirate or state), within the Somali Republic. By doing this, we can lawfully secure loans, aid money, and international assistance, to help enhance our living standards. If we try to do this under the guise of “Somaliland”, we will be denied, because this will go against international law and regulations. Awdalites do not destroy the future of Awdal and her children for the sake of the SNM and its agenda! _________________________________________________________ The author puts Somaliland in quotations because he does not believe in such an entity. Our elders fought and died to make the Somali people free from the colonial grasp. As of 1960, Somaliland was defeated and the Somali people were once again independent. The quotations are out of respect for the brave men who are not here no more, may Allah (swt) bless their souls. Amaan H.D. Obsiye. ahobsiye@hotmail.com

Xaji if the regional flag of awdal exist please post it so we can cross-reference or please stop making up things that are not there. HM was correct as usual

Thankful I don't verify anything that horseed reports. I know what they say is pure 100% fact. If they say the blue flag was carried it was. Thankful it looks an attempt to make the blue flag of somalia but still we get their message "awdal state of somalia" another member in the near future!!!

Xaji what disturbs me the most is that siilanyo doesn't appear to be even addressing the concerns of the people lol and it doesn't appear it will be ending soon.

My prediction for puntland from 2009-2013 which will be when farole term comes to an end. Now its 2010 and my predictions from what i can assume is that farole is planning to go hamar I say this because garoweonline reports alot more on what's happening in mogadishu then it does with puntland. When cade muse was in power I remember farole garoweonline was very puntland focussed and it turned out he became president of puntland. So I am predicting that garoweonline is being very hamar centric because I think farole has told his sons to make sure garoweonline presents the current tfg as very bad solution so all the a.u guys and igad guys who read from the allafrica portal can see that and when sharif mandate ends in 2011 august the international bodies will force him to resign or at the very least "not endorse him" to have another term in office. This is when farole will put his application in as a candidate for villa somalia and muster up support from puntlanders to get behind him for his chance at villa somalia. I think farole will use his puntland track record to show that he has experience in politics and administration unlike the former mosque teacher sharif. I think the experience that farole will bring to the table will throw out all the contenders from hamar because they simply they don't have administration experience. The only thing the usc guys had in their favor was that hamar was usc enclave and that made international community favor a more usc candidate then others but now its proven with sharif even if your local guy from the local clan in hamar doesnt mean you will get any results. I believe coupled with these advantages that farole will be elected as president of somalia. I believe he will vacate his seat to abdisamad shire for 2 years before the elections are held for the presidency of puntland. The elections to be held in 2013 will not be parliamentary election but a multi party election. I believe that ilkajir will be head or creator of 1 of the leading parties in puntland and will take the office in 2013. I say Ilkajir because he is rich and he also has better experience then any other candidate in puntland and coupled with his puntland ministerial experience I believe that will give him the edge over other candidates. Thats Cowke Prediction for Puntland.

Ayoub dont worry that will be my first question of farole. Where is las anod.

Xaji wow hal qeyb bay ka sawireen. But i am certain thousands are in the background being ignored by the photoman as to make it appear like it is small protest. War niyahow thousands came out in boorama and hargeisa. 1 got wounded and to add salt to the wound it looks like this only the beginning of the end for mamulka qowdhanimada ee somalia PS: I think my prediction for siilanyo govt might actually come true. I think we should place farole there with loudspeakers and saying "BEELAHA QORIGA HA QATEEN"

Originally posted by Archdemos: ^^looking forward to it. @ Cowke, i like your siginiture pic, is that Bossaso. Yeah Its bosaso

Typical of atam he is now backfliping lol. Xudeedi can't you see he is trying to play different card after he saw puntland defeat galgala terrorists in round 1? You see they tried using the islamic card to get people to unite behind atam and bosaso is very extremist city and shabab knows that and thought using the islam card would get the locals all behind atam but that didn't happen. Now their tryin to switch their game seeing the islam card won't work so now its "fight for beesha" card. Shabab won't be fooling the puntlanders there. They've seen this costume their wearing in 1991 after they were defeated from the north-east. Puntland has a strong track-record in defeating terrorists so shabab shouldn't be playing with fire here. We have very highly trained police force at carmo, a very disciplined and well armed PIS, Not to mention border control darawish forces. So they better not think this is hamar where 12 years don't even know how to hold a gun. The shabab boys will be in the biggest fight of their lives if they dare think of toppling this govt. This govt wasn't forced anyone or any region. It was created thru consultation and free will of 8 regions of somalia. This is not a shabab system where they put a knife on people's throat and say "follow our way". No thats not puntland. Shabab stop messing around with 1 of the 2 peaceful areas of somalia. The idp's are fleeing your brutal leadership in their degans and flooding into puntland to have freedom and opportunities that your incumbent shabab boys cant provide. Shabab thugs needs to be dealt with and they need be dealt with using an iron fist

Happy Birthday Puntland. I am looking forward to this 1st of August unfortunately I live in small town with very few somalis therefore I Can't celebrate it however I'll definitely be there through the heart. I can't wait to see how the uk/usa/sweden/denmark/kenya/india/sudan/uae and all the countries with strong puntland diaspora hold this event. Puntland All Day Everyday

Garoowe:(Allpuntland)-Iyadoo Saacado kooban oo kaliya ay ka dhimanyihiin Waqtigii ay Puntland 12-Sano jirsan lahayd ayaa Waxaa magaalooyinka Waaweyn ee dalka ka soconaya Diyaar garowgii ugu danbeeyey ee loogu diyaar garoobayo Dhigitaanka Xuska. Magaalada Garoow ee Caasimada dawlada Puntland ee Soomaaliyeed oo maalmihii lasoo dhaafay ay aad u yarayd Saansaanta dhigitaanka Xafladan ayaa Saacadihii lasoo dhaafay waxaa la dareemayey Jawi ka duwan kii hore,iyadoo ay si aad ah usoo baxayso Diyaar garowgan oo dhinacyada kaladuwan ee Bulshada & Dawlada Puntland. Qaarkamid ah Ciidamada Amaanka ee Dawlada Puntland ayaa Diyaar garowgii ugu sareeyey ku jira,waxaana Caasimada dawlada Puntland saacadihii lasoo dhaafay lagu arkayey Ciidamada Baambayda Puntland oo Dhoolatusyo kaladuwan ku samaynaya Xeryaha kaladuwan ee Ciidamada & Saldhigyada Milatari ee Caasimada dawlada Puntland,iyagoo adeegsanaya Qalabka Muustikada islamarkaasna kor u lulaya Calanka cusub ee dawlada Puntland. Wasiirka Maamul Wanaaga ee dawlada Puntland Maxamed Faarax Ciise (Gaashaan) oo ah Gudoomiyaha gudi uu dhawaan Madaxweynaha dawlada Puntland u magacaabay diyaarinta & Qaabeynta Xafladan ayaa APL u sheegey in Diyaar garowgu uu meel wanaagsan u marayo,waxaana uu intaas ku daray in ay Xukuumada Puntland sanadkan dhigi doonto Xaflad ka qiimo badan tii ay Sanadkii hore dhigtay. Wasiirku wuxuu carabka ku dhuftay in Habeenka 1-Da Ogoosto Calanka dawlada Puntland la saari doono Aqalka Madaxtooyada ee dawlada Puntland & dhamaan xarumaha kale ee dawlada,laguna amri doono Gudoomiyeyaasha gobolada kaladuwan ee Puntland in xarumahooda ay saaraan Calanka Dawlada Puntland ay dhawaan ku dhawaaqday. Cabdiqani Xayir Allpuntland

Xaji don't ever question my intergrity I am not pipesmoking qowdhan high on leaves that spews 20 years of nonsense to their citizens. That is not me Xaji that is you. Hargeysa (RBC) Dadweyne careysan oo ka soo baxay xaafadaha magaalada Hargeysa ee xarunta Somaliland ayaa maalintii labaad dibadbaxyo ka dhigaya wadooyinka Hargeysa iyagoo ka careysan qaabka loo dhisay xukuumada cusub ee madaxweyne Axmed Siilaanyo. Dadweynahan oo ka kala yimid qeybo kala duwan oo magaalada Hargeysa ka mid ah ayaa isugu soo baxay wadooyinka waaweyn ee magaalada iyagoo gubaya taayarada baabuurta isla markaana ku qeylinaya ‘dooni meyno dowlad caddaalad darro ah”. Waxa la arkayey dadweynaha qaarkood oo sita calanka Soomaaliyeed ee Buluuga ah xiddigta cadna dhexda ku leh kuwaasi oo socod ku maraya wadooyinka. Dadka mudaaharaadaya ayaa u badan dhalinyaro iyo haween inkastoo ay ku jiraan odayaal waaweyn oo reer Hargeysa ah. Qaar ka mid ah dadka mudaharaadaya ayaa sheegay inaysan ku qancin qaabkii loo soo xulay golaha wasiirada cusub ee dowlada Axmed Siilaanyo ee la magacaabay labo maalmood ka hor kuwaasi oo ay sheegeen in beelo gaar ah ay qaateen. “Waxaa laga tegey beelo ka mid ah kuwa Somaliland oo xaq ku leh dalkan, waana xaq darro midaasi. Siilaanyo wuxuu la soo baxay xagjirnimadii horey loogu yiqiinay. dooni meyno. dooni meyno”, ayuu yiri mid ka mid ah dadka dibax baxa sameynayey. Ciidamada Somaliland oo isugu jira kuwa booliska iyo militariga ayaa lagu daad gureeyey xaafadaha iyo waddooyinka dibad baxyadu ka socdaan, waxaana la maqlayey rasaas loo adeegsaday mudaaharadayaasha oo ay ridayeen ciidamada. Warar hordhac ah ayaa sheegaya in ugu yaraan 1 ruux dhaawaciisa la geeyey isbitaalka ka dib markii ay rasaastu haleeshay. Waxayna ciidamadu amreen in la joojiyo dibad baxa ay wadaan dadka careysan. Waxaa xusid mudan in dibadbaxu markii hore uu ku bilawday hab nabadeed, balse y xaaladu isbedeshay markii ciidamadu bilaabeen rasaasta ay ku fureen dadweynaha. Maalintii shaley ayaa dibadbax kan la mid ah wuxuu ka dhacay qeybo ka mid ah magaalada oo ay ka mid tahay degmada Axmed Dhagax halkaasi oo labo ruuxi ku dhaawacantay ka dib marki rasaas ay u adeegsadeen ciidamadu. Xukuumada Somaliland ayaan wax hadal ahi ka soo saarin dibadbaxan oo maalintii labaad ka soconaya magaalada Hargeysa laguna diidan yahay qaabka uu madaxweyne Axmed Siilanyo u soo xulay xukuumada cusub oo dad badani oo qabiilada Somaliland ka tirsani ay aaminsan yihiin in xuquuqdii ay ku lahaayeen dowlada ee wasaaradaha la duudsiiyey. RBC Radio Xafiiska Wararka Hargeysa

I hope shabab see that puntland implements islamic banking principles and trade practises. Why are they at war with puntland an emerging oil producing state? A state that welcomes all peaceloving people with open arms? Shabab war should not be directed to peaceful areas of somalia but to volatile areas where law and order is absent, where locals are killed, raped, looted and noone is brought to justice for these crimes since their is no law and order to begin with. Those are the areas where shabab should focus on and forget puntland

Tababar Loo Soo Gaba Gabeeyey 46-Ganacsato (Sawiro) July 30, 2010 0 comments| leave your own! Xarunta Jaamacada Bariga Afrika ayaa waxaa kusoo gaba gaboobay aqoon iswaydaarsi soconaayay mudo sadex maalmood ah kaasoo loo qabtay ganacsato gaaraysa 46 qof kuwasoo kamid ah ganacsatada magaalada Garoowe. Xiritaankii aqoon iswaydaarsigaan ayaa waxaa kasoo qayb galay Wasiirka ganacsiga Puntland,Agaasimaha Wasaarada ganacsiga,xoghayha dowlada hoose ee degmada Garoowe,Gudoomiyaha jaamacada Bariga Afrika fareceeda magaalada Garoowe. Ugu horeyn waxaa ka hadlay Gudoomiyaha Jaamacada Bariga Afrika fareceeda magaalda Garoowe Shiikh Maxamuud Xaaji yuusuf oo ka hadlay waxaa uu ku saabsanaa isagoo sheegay in aqoon iswaydaarsigaan uu ahaa mid lagu baranaaya qaabka ay u shaqeeyaan Bangiyada Islaamka ama Bangiyada ku dhaqma shareecada islaamka iyo bangiyada kale. Sheekh Maxamuud ayaa sheegay in aqoon iswaydaarsigaan uu sidii loogu talagalay uu u hirgalay una u mahad celinaayo maclimiintii bixinayasay aqoontaan qaaliga ah oo loo baahnaa iyo hay’adda Manhal oo gacan ka gaysatay isla markaana ganacsatada ka qayb gashay loo baahan yahay in ay aqoonta ay halkaan ka heleen loo baahan yahay in ay ku shaqaystaan bulshada inteeda kalena ay ugudbiyaan. Dr C/qani Xuseen Maxamed oo ahaa macalimiintii bixinaysa isla markaana sheegay aqoontaan in ay ahayd mid loogu tala galay in ay ka faa’idaysataan ganacsatadii kasoo qayb gashay ayna uga faa’ideeyaan inta aan fursada u helin aqoon isawaydaarsigaan. Mid kamida ah ganacsatadii ka qayb qaadanaysay aqoon iswaydaarsigaan oo lagu magacaabo C/laahi Maxamed Xaaji ayaa sheegay sadexdaan maalmood in ay lamid ahayd 30 maalmood daruustii ay ku qaateen ay si wayn uga faa’idaysteen. Waxaa sidoo kale goobataa ka hadlay Xogheyaha Dowladda hoose magaalada Garoowe Qaasim Maxamed Cabdi iyo agaasimaha guud ee wasaarada Ganacsiga qaybteeda Warshadaha C/laahi Xaashi Warsame oo sheegay in ay aqoontaan ahayd mid loo baahnaa in ganacsatda loo qabto si ay u bartaan sida ay u shaqeeyaan bangiyada islaamka iyo kuwa kale. Wasiirka Ganacsiga dowlada Puntland Xassan Faarax Jaamac oo aqoon iswaydaarsigaan soo xiray ayaa sheegay inuu uga mahadcelinaayo cid kasta oo soo qaban qaabisay aqoon iswaydaarsigaan isla markaana ay Hay’ada aqoontaan lagu qaatay goobtaan ay tahay mid muhiimad wayn leh. Wasiirka ayaa sheegay aqoontaan muhiimada ay leedahay ay tahay in ay ganacsatadu fahanto sida ay u shaqeeyaan bangiyada islaamka iyo bangiyada kale tasoo faa’ido ay leedahay in ay fahmaan ganacsiga xalaasha iyo lacagta xalaasha laga shaqeeyo bangiyada isla markaana ay hada dunida kusii fidayaan. Wuxuu ka codsaday maamulka Jaamacada in siminaarada noocaan oo kale ah ay u badiyaan ganacsatada si loo helo ganacsato aqoontooda ganacsi ay dhan tahay. Ugu danbeyntii ganacsatada kazoo qaybgashay aqoon iswaydaarsigaan ayaa halkaas Wasiirkuu uu ku gudoonsiiyey shahaadooyin muujinaaya in ay ka qayb qaateen aqoon iswaydaarsiga ku sabsan qaabka ay u shaqeyaan bangiyada Islaamka iyo kuwa kale ee caalamka. Maxamed Saciid Yuusuf Wakiilka Horseed Media Garoowe-Puntland

Xaji tribal protest in tribal democracy is what i will call it. I would not say that somaliland is true democracy and far from it. Voting is done on clan lines not individual lines. Protests are done on clan lines. Ministerial spots are shared thru tribal lines not merit. So xaji stop calling somaliland what it is not and this is was big clan protest apparently 1 person got wounded in hargeisa over it and it doesnt seem like it will settle anytime soon. The question is when will the war begin? Wars dont begin straight away it always begins with civil un-rest just as we see what is occuring in waqoyi galbeed. Xaji dont bother debating the issue you will get fried and roasted

Al-Shabaab spokesman denies the group is in Puntland By the CNN Wire Staff July 30, 2010 (CNN) -- A spokesman for the militant group Al-Shabaab denied Thursday that it has been involved in recent fighting in northeastern Somalia's semiautonomous region of Puntland, but said the group supports it. "The fighting was between local Muslims and the Puntland intelligence security forces and its authorities, which are slaves to Ethiopia, and we rejoice at it," Ali Mohamoud Rage Dhere told reporters in a conference call from Mogadishu. His denial came a day after the leader of the militants who had fought in Puntland, Sheikh Mohamed Saiid Atom, said they were members of Al-Shabaab.

Xaji you know as well as I do HM is reliable so stop ducking and face reality

xaaji read carefully Dadweyne kor u dhaafay kumanaan qof ayaa isugu soo baxay wadooyinka waa weyn ee magaalada Boorame kuwaasi oo sida la sheegay dadka deegaanka ay ka cabanayeen Wasiiro uu dhawaan soo magacaabay Madaxweynaha Cusub ee Somaliland Axmed Siilaanyo.