As of now, she doesn't trust Muslims, period! Therefore, she trusts everyone except Muslims. or She doesn't even trust no one because she felt distrust towards anyone. No, may be she is stereotyping everyone with the person whom she naively trusted because he was simply a Muslim. I wonder why she gave up because of one person's deceit! That is not good, indeed.

Am totally and utterly ashamed of crying before anyone. One reason, as said by one of the participants in this page, is enough for a man to cry, which is khushuuc, trembling with the fear of God in the course of prayers. Its the only time that I truly practice the art of crying, exactly when I stand before Allah, while the quranic recitation points out the dreadfull punishments that awaits the sinners in the hellfire. Other than that, it is shame to cry in the first place! Don't you think so? I mean why do you need to cry? Personally if I get some major problems, I suddenly start to think of what went wrong, or where to start for resolving the problems rather than crying for nothing. I think there are two types of crying: (1) Inward crying, and (2) outward crying. As a man, it is better to practise the first one, if need comes, because that conceals your weaknesses.

u need Nothing but a burning desire to KNOW!! I doubt it. Your burning desire has nothing to prove whatsoever, that can make possible to attain any given goals. I don't understand what you mean "let sceince carres ya". Remember we were talking about motivation, not science. And in reality science is a tangible thing, whereas religion is untangible in terms of inner realities. Therefore to boost your motivation you need an untangible force to unleash/drive your motivations so as to achaive your goals. But can you tell us, if you don't mind, why you think religion, in particlur, Islam is ineffective or "feeble" as you put it, as to what it can offer by reinvegorating one's fading motivations. Give us some examples. And also relate what science can do about motivational backups.

I think that child needs to cherish a government better than the one they (the criminals) formed in Kenya. It will only add more problems, because a wrong method will never produce good results.

To some extent, I agree with Waryaa Dude, but what suprises me is the statement of Mr. NGONGE when put it, "I agree. From now on, whenever we feel like bashing any other race we should do it in Somali". That is so funny, indeed. Laakiin fiiri, raga wax ma xantaan horta? Waligeed lama sheegin rag Soomaali ah oo wax xamanaaya! Does that mean our girls alone can do xamasho? No way, Islamically speaking, bashing is an unacceptable devilish character. Remember, it is like eating the flesh of your dead brother/sister. ooooooooooc, that is an unpredictable thing to do.

Islam motivates me and I use that for every constructive goal I set for my self. The importance of motivation is felt when there is a problem that challanges you. The more you encounter problems, is the more motivations you require to overcome such problems. Western psychologists used to set anything that has to do with religion, because they believed religion can't resolve problems. The reason was obvious, becuase Christianity as an abrogated religion couldn't solve their problems. So, after the emerging numerous problems of mental imbalances, they conducted many researches aimed at finding solutions for the illness at any religious perspectives. And finaly, they come to realize that believing in God undermines the effectiveness of the pain that causes the mental disorder. It was not only one research I observed from that, the treatment of religion for mental ilness. Now coming back to the subject at hand, how do you motivate yourself, yeah, Islam absulately motivates me everytime I need an intrinsic motivation to crush any obstacle. As we know, schooling has its own problems, and it is clear that most students fail when they entertain themselves with drugs in the presence of distress symptoms.

I personally appreciate for being a Somali man. I think my culture has lied out concrete principles and values for us to manage our affairs more decently and more respectfuly. I believe, in my understanding for the Honorable Somali Culture, it is the obligation of the man to propose marriage for the girl, whereas the girl is expected to either agree for it or decline the offer, which is an undeniable right bestowed and reserved for them to exercise whenever they need to. The question appears to be an attempt to overlook our culture by pushing a change to the long standing way of life. I think if, for instance, a Somali girl proposes me for marraige, I would not only decline it but consider it as a major voilation against my beloved culture. Let's not forget the reasons that has undermined the value of marraige in the western sociaties are, among other things, the women proposing the marraige for men. To my culture or the culture of any good-meaning people is to shame for a girl to propose. Does our language fit in the first place to hear a girl saying, "Haa aboowe.... waxaan rabay ama jeclaa inaan kuu soo bandhigo inaan is guursano, sideey kula tahay?" There must be something wrong with that. I think our respectable girls should avoid to falling in that trap; it is nothing but the meaningless exportation of the alien culture that is gradually diluting us to an extent of no culture. Ibros, (Alle-ubaahne)

My dear Classique, Men don't cry or need to cry. You right, many socaities do really have a unifying sense that discourages for men to display their weeping and cry. For example, sociaties of strong patrician culture don't expect their men to cry, because crying is against the noble legacy in which the sociaty has attributed to them. I am not here to say that I personaly don't greive, at least in the form of shedding tears before the public, but I believe my grievances, or the so-called 'shameful cry' should be an intrinsic one that goes down-ward. The reasons are clear: men use their minds, not their emotions. I think there was a definitive statement about the essence of crying, (shedding tears is an enery always used by the weak to release out the anger within). Let no men cry. Ibros, (Alle-ubaahne)

I personally see no hopes from this foriegn designed government. It is anti Somali Culture. It is also, anti our Islamic Religion. And therefore, it will never apply to our standards of living as Somalis. A government made for criminals is not my government!

Am an independant Newsmaker. I make my own News and don't look no analysis for it. I don't read papers, nor watch TV for news. I check over the internet for the major international events and then derive them form my own conclusions. It realy worked out for me, and this way alone can best be refrained from the malliciuos reports of the western media. Becuase of my bussy schedule, I do this once in a week.

The Intrinsic Disconnection of Somalis from Their Home It is tragically an unprecedented sadness that Somalis in the Diasporas don’t ponder their extremely neglected and intellectually isolated homeland. A recently conducted survey indicates that two-thirds of Somalis in one state of the U.S. responded that they don’t think of Somalis as their country inflicted with crisis, and hence don’t favorably incline towards the settlements of the issues in their country. I previously thought that negative experiences and hardships inherited from foreign countries would force many Somalis understand the essential value of home, but it seems that Somalis were intrinsically displaced as well, by means of eliminating their, if any, sense of attachment and connectivity to their home country. Fourteen years of strategic political disorder, cultural degradation, and economical displacements has resulted thousands of Somalis to systematically become vagabonds for no country in origin. What is verifiable in history is that anyone who gets dislocated both internally and externally, out of desire, is bound to lose everything. This type of loss for everything becomes so effectively real when there was prior low of self-esteem and pride. And in the case of Somali people, in particular those in the West, we have seen the symptoms of what appears to be an unusually dramatic loss of identity and cultural values. We Somalis were victimized through all ages: in the colonial times, we were oppressed in the hands of both British and Italian colony; we were fragmented as one big Somalia and divided in people and in geography for countries extremely hostile to our spirituality as well as ethnicity; we were also brought under the severe authority of puppet leaderships specifically trained by the Western governments for the perpetual humiliation and destruction of our people, part of which are obviously taking place now in Somalia through the bloody hands of inter-tribe warlords. Sadder than everything is the current formation of the upcoming so-called government from Kenya, that is systematically funded and organized by the very enemy who divided us to benefit our misery. If you ask any Somali for why you don’t repatriate your home country, he/she will tell you “my home is not in peaceâ€. Neighboring Africans consider us enemy, even in the absence of a cohesive functional Somali government. Europeans vow to further destroying the few Somali remnants so as to prepare us irresistible to their vicious interests for Somalia. And finally we recently witnessed the attempted-invasion of American troops to Somalia that failed after fierce and costly resistance, which after all declared to take an indirect vengeance against Somalia, meaning the prevention of any possible and Islamically legitimate government to born in Somalia. They (both the visible and the invisible enemy)massively displaced us through strategic programs that ultimately prompted as many Somalis as possible to become oblivious of their country. If anyone doesn't care about the ultimate value of home, Somalis are the first who had deliberately left their country behind and never looked back even for a glimpse. Of course there are small proportions that, after experiencing the negative realities in foreign countries, came to the absolute bondage and appreciation of their homeland. But who owns my country? If anyone owns Somalia other than the Somalians themselves, how can we (The Somalis) attempt to own another country that is not ours? Ibros (Alle-ubaahne)

Our true intellectuals are the ones who are striving to do whatever it takes to better the current condition of our people wherever they are. And to name such intellectuals, they are the Wadaado, (in particular an example in mind is Sh. Mustafa Haaruun Ismaaciil), who are tirelessly working hard to bring about a satisfactory change in our sociaty. Evertime I see Somalia, only the decent wadaado appeal my attention as the ultimate intellectuals for our people. They think nothing but our country. And I believe a true intellectually versed individual always places his people first.

I think it is never good for a Somali man to attack a lady under any circumstances. Classicque deserves major respect from all of us. She is a decent person with a seemingly good conduct. Why not let her enjoy here and share with us the good aspect of her experiences? Guys, let's normalize our Electronic Relationships, please. Ibros

To: Rahima Thank you very much sister, I can really sense your genuine somali blood that I strongly share with. I personally live in the U.S. and that doesn't mean I am an American in nature. Whatever Abdirahman wins, its an obvious reality that he is not representing us or somalia. Since our nationhood has collapsed fourteen years ago, we've seen thousands of traders to their country, who put somalia under the cheapest selling tag. And that is tragic enough. Again, I appreciate to read from Rahima's position. For the Rest of You: I would to say, please don't mistake your naturalized or adopted country to where you originated as a true citizen of no fabrications whatsoever.

The question at hand is one of feminism, and I inferr it was originated from a western-minded person. Therefore, it is not a legitimate question in the first place. If, for instance, the questioner's intentions were well-meaning as to the Islamic Mosques attitide towards the women, then I believe the best answer for that is to pray at home. It is not an obligatory for a Muslim woman to pray in the Mosques, her home is more important than Mosques. There has never came time when Muslims put more emphasis on building Mosques where an equal space was structurally reserved for women. I don't know if any of you can share with me any historical contexts pertaining to such matters.

This debate must be ceased, at least from my side, for some reasons. Mr. Mutakalim, you clearly wrote, That I see physical objects, that I exist, and that God exists is not epistimologically "self-evident". Also, in one of your last posts, you apparently confessed something that contradicts grossly the above statement by putting this way: I do believe in God However, according to the first statement, let me paraphrase what you wrote. The existance of God is not self-evident, therefore God doesn't exist. Now, you are proclaiming as a believer, though I can't confirm exactly what denomination you adhere to, but if you were a Muslim at the time, then you had negated the declaration contract. Don't perceive me wrong, am speaking about what negates or nullifies the Islamic declaration, or Shahada. Now, for two reasons, there is no way we can proceed this debate, since you delved into matters with greater consequences. The first reason is that you have no solid position to stay and advocate for, so that we can constructively debate and come to a final conclusions. The second reason is that I detected some critical discrepancies from your writings that indicate your faulty reasoning and mental imbalances. I personally think before anything, that a fair debate should contain in three ingrediants, respect, fairness, and courage to admitt your faults and humanistic weaknesses. None of these three elements are seen in your writings. And finally, let me point out that the unprincipled western philosophers can only mislead individuals with nothing or little prior knowledge of their religion, i.e. Islam. Those unfortunate individuals they brainwashed were lacking sound Islamic knowledge, and today most of their subjects are suffering from severe psychotic disorders, because the context of their teachings (unprincipled philosophy) prompts nothing but psychotic disorders that negatively influences the pure rational reasoning of the humanistic natural dispositions.

This is mere assertion. No argument. What are examples of "perplexing problems" that are "preserved" to decieve persons of feeble intellect. The psuedo-scholarships of the western thinkers is nothing but a deception to further mislead and confuse their subjects with gross hallucinations. A classic example is the evolution theory of Charles Darwin. I can understand how dearly you incline to their hallucinations, but it has never brought any meaninful sense to the unfortunate followers. Again, either present your arguments or do not post. Do you know what it means to say an argument is "sound" as opposed to "valid"; know you the nuances thereof. What mean you by crooked? ! Now, I asked you not only my legitimate questions to your incomplete and less-than-arguments but the ultimate questions of Allah, the creator of everything, and yet I read no response from your Western-wanna-be, and fading philosophy. Your tricks to deviate the questions before you remind me of a book I read about the principles of defensive arguments. Remember we're talking about the existance of God, not the literal meaning for certain english words. In the "vistas" of epistimology nothing is taken for granted. That I see physical objects, that I exist, and that God exists is not epistimologically "self-evident". Hence, the conception of the "method of doubt". If one starts with doubt one will end in certainty , however, if one starts with certainties one will, ineluctably, end in doubt. Foundationalism has its inherent problems but that is a topic for another thread. It is epistemology, not epistimology, which is the branch of philosophy that studies the nature of knowledge. You are exactly saying God doesn't exist becuase, on the bases of your philosophical grounds of knowledge, He is not "self-evident". Now, if your knowledge is only related to the tangible objects, then it's the so-called psuedo-scholarship I was suspeciously pinpointing to. And therefore, it is a faulty reasoning to merely call something knowledge that don't fit the strict definition of knowledge. I recognize your purpose is to try to create an ambiguity so as to promote the altra-secularim irreligiousity among our people. But I think many of your likes had attempted and failed to sell the appeal of ignorance. As to the Quranic references I will say this once more: this is a philosophical enquiry not a theological cofabulation! It is illogical to talk of grammer and syntax when one is discussing the aseisthetics of culinary arts.. It's funny to see how full of discrepancies you are by sticking to some tactical denials in terms of downgrading the superior Islamic knowledge over your disorderly psychopath-generated philosophy. I believe your unreliable sources don't have the slightest right to question Islam as concrete knowledge. By the way, why can't you consider the Quranic questions to find for an answers from your know-everything-philosophy? Isn't it funny that some of your dearly atheists believe that philosophy, and in particular, the logical reasoning are not an absulate law that governs the universe! But unfortunately you are using the wrong law as an absulate law to measure the true existance of Allah. P.S. Some muslims (many islamic philosophers disagree) believe it is outright heretical to question the existence of God; they employ the verse "Abillaahi shakkun fadira as-samaawaati wa al-ardi". However, there is an abundance of other quranic verses that invite the "intellectually soverign" to apply their "reason" in order to ascertain the truth or falsity of their beliefs. Another major and gross contradictions! Remember that you placed Islam in the catagory theology by saying "this is a philosophical enquiry not a theological cofabulation!" And now you are admittingly insisting that Islamic philosophers were historicly existed! I don't think you literally understand what you are willing to present here, because you are simply inserting fallicious assumptions as an absulate truth. Your only hope to restore the losted rationale intellect is to reexamine your current philosophical intakes that has blind-folded you to accept the truth from the other side: the side you choosed to distanced once after you arrived in the so-called world of pseudo thinkers who make every conceivable proposition a real truth. For now, start on your way to finding out who is your creator. Take a pause, and think of it for a minute. Do you think you were created to entertain your instincts with mere hallucinations? Now, set aside what they previously thought you against Allah, and concentrate the reality with an unbaised open heart. .... Tell me, do you see anything, even a glimpse of the reality?

W/S W/R W/B. Brother Max'ed, known as Professor, am new to this forum too, but one thing we are in agreement is that this forum is an irresistable state of curiosity, especially to the newcomers, just like you and me. Welcome, insha allah, and contribute your part of the stories so as to learn from your unique experiences and views. Ibros

I think the very perplexing problems inherited from the unprincipled western thinkers are preserved solely to mislead those who happen to be weak in terms of intellectual capacity to reason, or utilize reason for constructive rational means. I am suprised when I see the like of a growing number of people who question the existance of Allah, but can't deliberately consider their crooked philosophical arguments which have no sound and legitimate bases whatsoever! Following are question for the initiator who conducted or set the topic at hand, but let me start with my questions first:why do you think denial for the existance of god is an answer enough when you witness the present vivid reality of the universe that stand nothing but as for major evidances and proofs to His existance? Isn't funny that you believe in what they say (the West) and dispute the realities of God that are not open to questions? For now, Allah's questions to you: (1)We created you, then why do you believe not? (2)Then tell Me (about) the human semen that you emit. Is it you who create it (i.e., make this semen into a perfect human being), or are We the Creator? (3)Tell Me! The water that you drink, Is it you who cause it from the rainclouds to come down, or are We the Causer of it to come down? (4)If We willed, We verily could make it salt (and undrinkable). Why then do you not give thanks (to Allaah)? (5)Tell Me! The seed that you sow in the ground. Is it you that make it grow, or are We the Grower? I can go on and on in relating the thought-provoking questions from Allah, but the point comes diametrically to you for not properly and constructively using the faculty of reasoning as it should be make use of it. In refference to the above questions, check the quranic verses, 56:57-77. I think if the truth of the questions become clear to you, you'll have no choice but to follow the truth. And finally as an ethnic (somali) brother, I would honestly urge you to filter the philosophical intakes that you sometimes digest out of obliviousness. Because the greatest decievers are the ones in line of the idealogies of the Shaydaan. Again, please take far distances from those thinkers who think against the truth. Ibros "Pure Rational Thinking and Higher Reasoning do require deeper comprehensions for the reality of the world" Anigaa Iri

I think the question needs to be examined as to what was the true intentions of the questioner. It seems the tragic inflictios pertaining to the HIV/AIDS are almost non-existant in our socaity. When I say our sociaty, I personally mean the Somalis who are truly adhering the essence of Islam and the value of our culture, which I believe are two strong elements that can tackle and prevent the spread of the decease within our people.