Originally posted by AYOUB: quote:Originally posted by General Duke: The lion speaks very funny Ha, Abdirahman Tuur (aun), first President of "Somaliland" & father of the SNM silly secession, ended up working for the smiling Gen Aydeed (aun)above in Mogadishu before he died So much for exile, Abdullahi Yusuf defeated Aydeed and the USC in Galkacyu, while your founding father ended up working for Aydeed and the USC in Mogadishu..

ONLF rebels from Eritrea surrounded by Somaliland forces Published 09/13/2010 - 8:23 p.m. GMT Somaliland Interior Minister Dr. Mohamed Abdi Gabose said around 200 ****** National Liberation Front (ONLF) fighters have been trained in Eritrea and sent over the border for battle in Ethiopia. He said after "around 200 heavily-armed men in Zeila... trained and armed in Eritrea" crossed the border, Somaliland security forces surrounded the rebels. Accorrding to the minister, his forces are being supported by Ethiopian and Djiboutian army units. Eritrea has been accused by the UN for arming insurgents in Somalia, Djibouti and the ****** region to weaken the Ethiopian and Djibouti governments.

^^^Anyhow adeer I think the Awdalites need to be given their rights. Its abusrd to blame the ONLF for whats a local problem... Keep us posted, this is a big problem, what if 200 more men land tommorrow?

They also arrested the transportation they used Nonsense as usual, also how did they arrest two men out of 200, without a fight? Garbage JB, you have a problem in your hands adeer.

The assumptions you are making old boy is that Al Shabaab are a Somali movement, this in itself is false. AL Shabaab is a front for a terror network that has greater ambition of murder than anything Somali's could conceive of. In fact we can say that Al Shabaab are their precursors were created with the aid of the once powerful scrap merchants of Mogadishu to resist any formation of a Somali national government. The solution is simple, move the capital from Mogadishu, create a lean government who’s policies are Somali centric and build a base to operate from. Its important that we realize that what is missing is political will, the resources are there, and the nation is still ours.

Qudach, you already won huh? Braveheart indeed....

I think Al Shabaab have proven to be a big waste of time, its all a bad comedy. However Sharif Hotel and his group are even worse jokers, bunch of incompetent, fruadsters, who set the Somali national interest back for a couple of more years.

^^^lol@Xaji he is scared to death, maybe Mr Soomalia is right..

Strange though, how the secessionist have already blanmed the ONLF, soft target me thinks.

Attam hides his face out of fear. Zack is just upset, anyhow adeer make sure you defend yourself now the seceessionist have picked you out as a soft target...

^^^Indeed, lets see how the secessionist handle this. So much for a stable region, oisis of the Horn an all.

Somaliland forces 'surround ONLF rebels near Ethiopia' About 200 suspected rebels are surrounded by Somaliland's forces near the border with Ethiopia, a Somaliland minister has said. Interior Minister Mohamed Abdi Gabose told the BBC the men had arrived in the territory by boat and then travelled overland to the border. He said documents the men left behind suggest they belong to the ****** National Liberation Front (ONLF). Somaliland has declared its independence from the rest of Somalia. Its secession has not been internationally recognised but is far more stable than the rest of the country and in July held an election which saw a peaceful handover of power. Mr Gabose said the armed group were surrounded in the mountainous region which borders Ethiopia and Djibouti. The ONLF is fighting for the self-determination of ethnic Somalis in eastern Ethiopia, and has not yet commented on the allegations. Eritrea has previously been accused of training ONLF rebels - charges it denies. Eritrea and Ethiopia have a long-running border dispute. Somaliland has previously helped the Ethiopian government in its fight against the ONLF.

kuwa aad habeyn iyo maalin iska gadid, bal orod su'aal A timely remark. Mr Sayid's lack of confidance is appaling to say the least.

^^^May Allah guide all of us to the right path lads, specially Sayid Somali who is making even less since than usual.

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^^^No adeer the BBC is rightly blamed for airing this terrorists voice. But if one wants vintage Calaacal they need not go further than Dolow Ethiopia, then go to the small tree which Hiiraale has called home for the past two years.

^^^Maadey is always salivating from the mouth at the prospect of death & destruction in Puntland, However his little cult and their delusions wont effect us. Puntland is made of sterner stuff.

Thanks for all the support adeer. Your points will be taken into consideration, the last one yes. But Attam & his voice shall be suppressed. Even if we allow airing his views we will do a voiceover like the BBC used to do to Sinn Fein back in the good old days.

Originally posted by Sayid*Somal: adeer kuma ahi, ma cabdullahi yusuf baad i mooday? af-soomaali ma ku hadashaa - mise - waad ka fantaa? No adeer, I am not above the Somali language, but I am head and shoulders above you.

Originally posted by The Zack: Originally posted by General Duke: [qb] War haddee go'naheen waanu is fahannay. Duqa adeerkaa ah ee aadka u jeceshahay ee ayna Somali badan jecleyn dhiigyo-cabnimadiisa iyo qabiil jaceylkiisa darteed sababtuu u joogo Yemen waa cabsi uu ka baqahayo Barbaaarta Xamar badankeed heysato. Kobtaa iyo Yemen oo dunni seddexaad kale ah dhakhtarka uu ka heli maxey tahay odaygu. Dhakhtarrada Somalia baa ka waayo aragsan kuwaas Yemeniyiinta ah ee wada qayilsan. Horay bey Somali u tidhi, dhagar qabe dhulkaa la dhaq-dhaqaaqo. Again Zack don’t mistake Abdullahi yusuf Ahmed for Admiral Osman and other cowards. Yusuf main reason for staying outside was for health reason as well as non interference in the politics of Somalia. He is a warrior who fought in his hay day, Imperial Ethiopia, the Derg, Siyad Barre, USC, Al Itixad and so on. As for the civilians of Mogadishu and their plight, time has revealed who the true killers and uprooters were and are, because the killing fields are now fuller than any time in Mogadishu’s history and Yusuf has been away for two years. Yusuf can no longer be used as an excuse for the deaths that continue today and were ever present before he entered that city. The father of Puntland State is much loved by his supporters, which is something no ammount of tears and fake analysis will change. Your arguments are as lame as your ONLF prison folks. Now come again.

Originally posted by Sayid*Somal: Codsi guud: manta ka bacdi yaan waxaan ka ahayn af soomaali lagula hadlan duke iyo kuwa ag orda - si loo ogaado wixii soomaali ah iyo kuwa soomaalinimada ku dhuumanaaya. Lol. No problem adeer, from now on post all your remarks to my person and allies in Somali. Just make sure that it is coherent and clear, your English is poor as hell and I shall observe your level of discourse for any improvements in the mother tongue.

Originally posted by NGONGE: ^^ In Somalia one can not control the media because the media is WORD OF MOUTH (i.e. Waxa la yedhi). However, that case would give FALSE reports and ones that are sprinkled with bias. Here, you get to hear the man speak and you also get to hear his opponents speak (and make your mind up). Poor NGOONGE, the aim is not to level the playing field between a terror agent and the state. Propoganda is an important tool in war & peace and the state [poor] at it at the moment has done fairly well thus far. The people of Puntland have their own media channels which they trust, these have been bared by the law of the land to not allow agent Attam & his group spreading their filth. Thus Attam now relies on underground channels the radical Disapora types which no one respects. The Paltalk channel which no one inside the state has access to and the BBC which is not trusted that much. I am disappointed with the state thus far it has not found a coherent way of dealing with the BBC & VOA. As for Faroole dictatorial tendencies, leave that to us adeer.

^^^lol your Somali makes as much sense as your English, what’s your profession again?

^^^lol@Zack, adeer you are having dialogue with yourself, a troubling habit that surfaces when ever you get confused. Like brother Thankful explained, Yusuf is a retiree and has chosen to stay out of politics for good. As you aware he was in Puntland for more than a month after he resigned and after the elections chose to give the new admin a chance by leaving and staying out of politics, a wise decision from the legend.

Erdogan pulls it off Sep 13th 2010, 9:26 by The Economist | ISTANBUL TURKEY’S mildly Islamist Justice and Development (AK) party has won a ringing endorsement from voters in a bitterly contested referendum on constitutional changes that are poised to raise democratic standards and further erode the powers of the country’s once omnipotent generals. Final results show that 58% of Turks approved the government's proposed changes to the constitution, which was written by the army after it overthrew the government in 1980. Both government and opposition leaders cast the referendum as a vote of confidence in the prime minister, Recep Tayyip Erdogan. Mr Erdogan's AK party has governed Turkey since 2002, when it catapulted to single-party rule on a platform of democratic reform and market liberalisation. Sunday’s result signals continued support for AK in the run-up to nationwide parliamentary elections that must be held by next June. There is widespread speculation that, should AK replicate yesterday’s success in the national poll, Mr Erdogan will push to elevate himself to the presidency when it becomes vacant in 2012. The EU has welcomed the constitutional changes, which, among other things, make it possible for coup plotters to be tried henceforth in civilian courts. Yet the opposition, led by Kemal Kilicdaroglu, the newly elected leader of the pro-secular Republican People’s party (CHP), has sought to portray the amendments as a final assault against the secular order introduced by the founder of modern Turkey, Kemal Ataturk. The package includes measures to bar gender discrimination, bolster civil liberties and protect personal privacy. But these, the opposition charges, were no more than “bubble wrap” used to conceal more invidious changes. The core of the package is a major overhaul of the judiciary. This gives the president and parliament greater say over the appointments of senior judges and prosecutors, and expands the size of the constitutional court and that of the judicial body in charge of appointments. The opposition claims AK will use the changes to pack the courts with Islamists, paving the way to religious rule. Some mutter darkly about an impending “civilian coup”. Such fears are exaggerated. And there is scant evidence that AK has used its time in office to subvert secularism. Yet the 42% of Turks who voted against the package will have only had their concerns deepened by Mr Erdogan’s autocratic tone. During the referendum campaign he accused those opposed to the package of being “in favour of army coups” and went as far as to warn that they would be “eliminated”. Maps depicting the pattern of voting in yesterday's referendum show a deeply fragmented country. Those voting for the package were concentrated in a slim crescent ringing the country’s prosperous western and south-western shores. In Istanbul, the country’s largest city, the trend was close to that nationwide, with 55% in favour and 45% against. The nationalist oppostion, led by Devlet Bahceli, took the biggest bashing of all, with voters in Mr Bahceli's native province of Osmaniye supporting the package. In a bid to assuage the naysayers, Mr Erdogan declared in his victory speech that those who voted against the package were "worthy of respect too”. But pro-secular urbanites remain unswayed. After his speech Mr Erdogan and the president, Abdullah Gul, showed up at the final of the world basketball championship in Istanbul, which pitted Turkey against America. They were greeted with loud boos. In newsrooms in Istanbul, downhearted pro-secular editors joked darkly about moving to Izmir, where "no" votes prevailed. But elsewhere the mood was festive. A coalition of leftists and liberals who campaigned in favour of the package were gearing up to press charges against Kenan Evren, the general who led the 1980 coup. In the aftermath of the overthrow of the government, over half a million Turks were arrested and tortured, and 51 executed by hanging. Sunday’s result paves the way for the prosecution of the generals responsible. Despite his resounding victory, Mr Erdogan cannot afford to be complacent. Kurdish voters in the country’s restive south-east provinces largely complied with orders from the largest pro-Kurdish party, Peace and Democracy (BDP), to boycott the referendum on the ground that it failed to address their demands for greater political and cultural autonomy. This in turn points to the enduring power of the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK), which has been engaged in an armed struggle for autonomy for the past 26 years and with which the BDP is closely allied. The PKK has threatened to call off its recently declared unilateral ceasefire unless Mr Erdogan moves on Kurdish rights. This in turn points to the fact that so long as the Kurdish problem remains unresolved, democracy in Turkey will rest on fragile foundations.