^^^Those young men showed the bravery of youth, however their leaders showed the cowardace of the ages. I dont have anything against the mislead and abused youth. But the clan court cowards, and warlords like Indacdae and Looters Inc Ahmed Diriye. Anyhow why do you deny they started this shelling inside the city and killing and assasinating anyone whow as athreat to them. When they were attacked it became "Massacre" while when they attacked there was no care for the people. Hypocracy it is.

Sanca or Adan?

Originally posted by N/A: All I know is Ethiopians will not be used against anyone in this case It is very true. The rule of law will be upheld. don't be blaming the Ethiopians since you know they won't be involved. The TFG will bring peace and order back to Kismayo. I will bring this thread back later. PS: Afgaduud & Koojaar are at Kismayu;s gates and they have come inside the city and you could do nothing. Also was it not Brave Hiiraale and his lads who vacated Kismayu while Goobanle & Seeraar were there Come on are you rewriting history again?

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Why not Mogadishu?

^^Horn, I think you are protesting way too much and as usual trying to rewrite history. Reer Gedo do not have more right than anyone in Kismayu, if they were so confident they would not be using the gun. Let me highlight it again, I do not call for reer Gedo or anyone to be expelled from the city, region or any part of the country. Its ludicrous for you to argue, for your clan to control Kismayu why should they control it? Saxib, I have been against those who used guns against the TFG in Mogadishu, I am against these same people in kismayu. I was against those who sued guns in Baidoa airport against the police chief. I am against those who use guns in Kismayu against the commanders of army, Koojar & Afgaduud. You must respect the law saxib, simple as that. Saxib again your little groups has miscalculated, they made a big gaff, as for capturing Kismay, we all know who ran the JVA the same group who chased Hiiraale out of it. They stood no chance, so kindly stop with this false bravado. I have been around for while now.

^^^Khalaf, I am not just an optimist but a realist. I am a child of the war, I grew up with this single dilema, this single nightmare. I have seen the many fake dawns of the previous times. I can tell you this is different, this governemnt is different, its more determined, it has focused its energy on security. As for Mogadishu, I am close to the clans of that city, and its people they are my kin. I can tell you that there is change of mindset. The amjority of the people of Banadir want peace. This is why I am hopefull today,. Geel-Jiire. Man how can you make such statements, the resistance was hot air from the beggining. They were hiding behid civilians, and they though they find a ticket at keeping the governemnt at bay. They failed. Whats next suicide bombs in the bakara market in order to free the population?

^^^ Saxib I repeat this is not a big deal. Because today Somalia has a governemnt and it will deal accordingly with this type of issue. As for Morgan and the defence of the locals against IndaCade & Hiiraale. Well at that time we had no governemnt and I was supporting the Just cause of the locals to defend themselves against a coalition of the "twins of Galgaduud". Saxib in that reality, I was supporting those who were defending their homes, properties and lives. That pathetic alliance came back to haunt you more so than me, I hated the fact that IndaCade openly stated, though I could not chuckle at the irony of it all " Hiiraale is nothing in Kismayu" which he proved a few days later. Now you come here beating your chest what for? This is a disaster for your group, they failed miscalculated terribly and its up to you to find a way out. We have seen your bravado before, and I dont much care for it. Again why are these militia so unique? They are not and should be dealt with accordingly.

^^^Khalaf, Somalia is not a unique entity in the world. Many countries have gone through wars, some nations have been destroyed a number of times, yet they came back up. Somalia has a great opportunity today to reclaim its soverignty. Will this be a perfect government, a utopian society? No but it will be a million times better than what we have lived through these past 17 years. Its time to look forward to a better nation.

Renegade Somali leaders, nuff said.

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^^^The people were told to elave for their own safety after the groups figghting against the TFG started stepping up their attacks which kileld more civilains than governemnt troops. The people will be allowed tor eturn to their homes safely. Theyw ere not chased, raped and killed as in the case of the past in which real genocides took place. In a city of more than 1,000,000. The death toll is less than 1000, this is deaths between the two sides of combatants, as well as civilain. The truth of the matter is that there was no genocide and there was no targeting civilians. The civilains are still the same why are they not targeted today?

Dawlada Federaalka oo digniin siiyey dadkii deganaa xarumihii maamulada Dawlada Federaalka KMG ah ee Soomaaliya ayaa digniin waxay u dirtey dadkii deganaa goobihii dawlada ee magaalda Muqdisho, waxaana ay sheegtey in dadka degan goobahaasi iyo kuwii ka qaxay ee haatan doonaya inay dib ugu laabteen deegaanadaasi aysan degi karin goobahaas. Ra'isalwasaaraha DFKMG ah Cali Max'ed Geedi ayaa shaley magaalada Muqdisho wuxuu ka sheegay in dawladu aysan aqbaleyn in dadweynuhu ay deganaadaan xarumihii maamulka ee magaalada Muqdisho, waxaana uu sheegay in xarun kasta oo dawladu u aragto inay tahay goobihii dawladii hore dadka shacabka ah aysan degi karin, isla markaana goobahaasi ay ku shaqeyn doonaan hay'adaha kala duwan ee maamulka. Hadalkan ka soo baxay Cali Max'ed Geedi ayaa wuxuu ku soo aadayaa iyadoo boqolaal qoys oo ka mid ah dadka Muqdisho oo qaarkood ay ku jiraan kuwa ka soo barakacay gobolada dalka ay deegaan ahaan u degan yihiin goobo ka mid ah xarumihii dawladii hore ee Jaalle Siyaad. Shaaca lagama qaadin waxa ay dawladu deegaan ahaan ugu badali doonto dadkan ay sheegtey inaysan ku soo laaban karin xarumaha dawlada iyo kuwa haatan degan ee lagu amrey inay ka baxaan. C/laahi Soomaali SBC Muqdisho

Bankiga horumarinta Islaamka oo ansixiyay lacago la gaarsiiyo isbitaalada Muqdisho. Jeddah, Isniin, April 30, 2007 Simba Radio Bankiga Horumarinta Islaamka, ayaa ansixiyay lacag gaareysa shan boqol iyo soddon lix kun oo lagu iibinayo dawooyin si loogu caawimo Isbitaalada magaalada Muqdisho ee caasimadda Somalia. Lacagtaasi ayaa waxaa sidoo kale cunooyin loogu iibin doona dhibanayaasha iminka ku jira Isbitaalada Muqdisho. Bankiga ayaa maalmaha soo socda waxa uu guddi gaaar ah u diri doonaa magaalada Muqdisho si ay u eegeen habka dawooyinka Caafimaad loogu gudbin doono dadka loogu tala galay. Guddoomiyaha Bankiga Horumarinta Islaamka Dr. Axmed Maxamed Cali ayaa ka codsaday hay'adaha gar gaarka ee Gobolka iyo kuwa caalamiga ahba ay caawimaad siiyaan daka barakacay qaarkoodna ay musiibo bani aadannimo gaartay ee Dalka Somalia . Dr. Axmed ayaa ka digay guul darro oo ku timaada in caawimaad iyo gar gaar deg deg ah la bixiyo uu la macno yahay, ayada dadka da'da ah, haweenka iyo caruurta ay noqon doonaan dhibanayaasha musiibo uu sheegay inay soo wajahan tahay. Dr. Axmed ayaa sheegay inuu Ra'iisul Wasaaraha Dowladda KMG ah ee Somalia Cali Maxamed Geedi kula kulmay magaalada Jidddeh ee dalka Sacuudiga intii lagu guda jiray kullankii dhawaan Jaamacadda Carabta ay halkaasi ku yeelatay. Bankiga Horumarinta Islaamka ayaa sidoo kale sheegay in mixnado waxbarasho ugu deeqay 107 arday oo Soomaali ah kuwaasi oo heli doona waxbarasho ah kulliyadaha Caafimaadka, Injineerinka, Beeraha iyo Culuumta Kumbiyuutarka. Axmed Cali Sheekh alaxmed@hotmail.co.uk

^^^^ Horn, the dilema is all yours saxib. You can hide behind "Puntlanders" and "Afgaduud" but the reality is you have yet to come to terms with the fact that there is no JVA anymore. That disgusting organisation is a thing of the past. Thus the militia desperately trying to take over Kismayu, making all this futile and contradictory stances is not Puntland's nor even those from Afmadow or those from Jilib, nor any other. Its the one's who occupied Kismayu under the banner of JVA. Saxib this is not a big issue for me. Its a fact that there can be no law and order under such conditions.

^^^He is responsible for what? You do try saxib, but talks are the only option the secessionist have.

^^^Horn this is not about a clan, for in the Lower Juba and in Kismayu many clans live there its not even belong to a single clan of the 4.5 let a lone specefic sub-clans. Afgaduud is not the admin of Kismayu he is an officer of the Somali army. The admin is an organ of the Somali governemnt thus choose your words carefully. No clan militia will be allowed to run any part of Somalia, Kismayu, Galkacyu, Mogadishu and so on. If you doubt the TFG has an army, or that it will send it to Kismayu or that it will disarm these clan militia then thats you. PSGaroweonline is no fan of Col Afgaduud or th TFG

^^^What took place in Mogadishu if clan militias are allowed to control a city? The law must be equally applied. The TFG delegation will leave soon and report and the admin will return. You can not force change, if this was possible it would have worked for Ahmed Diriye and that group.

Gedonet.com Even Gedonet highlights the fact that PM Geedi is serious about this issue. Though they take a slightly different angel.

Geedi: "Dadka kuma soo laaban karaan xarumaha dowladda" April 30, 2007 Markacadeey -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dowladda KMG ah ee Somalia ayaa sheegtay in aan lagu soo laaban doonin xarumihii dowladd ee dadka rayidka ah ay daganaayeen. Ra'isulwasaare Geedi ayaa hadalkani waxa uu ka sheegay shir jaraa'id uu shalay ku qabtey xarunta NSS ta ee W/magaalada Muqdisho, xilli uu ka hadlayay amaanka magaalada Muqdisho iyo amarro uu farayay ciidamada dowladda KMG ah ee Somalia iyo maamulka gobolka Banadir in ay ka shaqeeyaan amaanka. Ra'isulwasaaraha Somalia ayaa waxa uu sheegay in dadkii ka barakacay Muqdisho gaar ahaan xarumaha dowladda in aysan ku soo laaban karin, isagoo sheegay in dowladda KMG ah ay u baahan tahay xarumahaasi, Laakiin Ra'isulwasaaraha ma uusan sheegin halka dadkaasi la dajinayo. Inta badan xarumaha dowladda ayaa waxaa dagan qoysas soo barakacay oo ka kala yimid gobolada dalka Somalia, kuwaasi oo ay saameeyeen dagaaladii iyo abaarihii ba'naa ee ku habsaday dalka Somalia tan iyo wixii ka dambeeyay 1991 kii xilliggaasi oo ay dhacday dowladii Militariga aheyd ee maamuli jirtey dalka. Xigasho: Shabelle Media Network Somalia

On the issue of Kismayu. 1. The government delegation led by the minister of interior have gained allot of promises from both sides. These will be implemented. 2.The Adminstration of the Lower Juba region as well as the city of Kismayu will return and no group can be an obsticle to this . 3. All militias and business people will be disarmed. 4. The TFG governemnt will not tolerate nor allow a clan militia to hold Kismayu nor clan warfare to break out. No preferential treatment will be given to any militia

Ilaa iyo Waqtigii uu maamulka dowladu oo uu soo gaaray magaalada Kismaayo ayaan la gaarin wax heshiis ah oo u dhaxeeya maamulka banaanka uga maqan magaalada iyo kooxaha gacanta ku dhigay magaalada Kismaayo. Warar hoose ayaa sheegaya in Guddoomiha Gobolka Jubada hoose uu ka biyo diiday inuu soo galo magaalada Kismaayo isaga iyo madaxda kale ee maamulka. Wuxuuna Gaboose oo ah Guddoomiyaha Gobolka Jubada hoose uu sheegay in magaalada laga saaro maleeshiyooyinka magaalada qabsaday oo uu ku tilmaamay inay yihiin kuwo ku xadgudbay qawaaniinta gobolka iyo hab-beeleedka loo degan yahay gobolka Jubada hoose.

Dhinaca kale dagaalkan ayaa ku soo beegmey xilli wafti uu hogaaminayo wasiirka arrimaha gudaha DFKMG ah ku sugan yahay gobolka kuwaas oo u kala dabqaadaya dhinacyada is haya iyaga oo maanta ku sugnaa tuulada Buulo guduud. Buulo guduud oo u jirta Kismayo 35km ayaa waxa ku sugan maamulka gobolka Jubada Hoose iyo ciidamo ay hogaaminyaan kuwaas ka biyo diidan in Kismayo ku noqdaan inta ay ku sugan yihiin Maleeshiyaad qaab beleed u hubeysan. Magaalada Muqdisho ayaa warar ka imaanya sheegayaan in ciidamo isugu jira kuwa DFKMG ah iyo Ethiopia ay u soo kicitimeen dhinaca gobolka Jubbada Hoose kuwaas oo aan la ogeyn talaabada ay ka qaadayaan mushkiladda ka taagan gobolka. Warar aan la xaqiijin ayaa sheegaya in xubnaha sare ee DFKMG ah ay go'aansadeen in magaalada laga soo saaro dhamaan dhinacyada isku fara saarey magalada Kismayo iyo madaxdooda kadibna lagu xereeyo Balidogle, halkas oo ay badali doonaan ciidamo iyo sarakiil kale ee la soo magacaabey. Ciidamada magaalada ku soo fool leh ayaa wararkaan aan la xaqiijin sheegayaan in ay hub ka dhigis ku sameyn doonaan shacabka magaalada Kismayo ku nool kuwaas oo khatar galin kara maamul kasta oo dowladu u soo magacowdo. Garowe Online,Kismayo source

^^^Azhari, held various positions in the first civilian governemnt of Somalia. He was the Somali Ambassador to the US in the firts Somali adminstration. He has been a peace broker throught the 1990s civil war period. Today his only position is that of advisor to the President. He was honest when he highlighted the unfair treatment of the Al-Jazeera staff member. He also highlighted that Cadow was a US citizen while he never took another citizenship and kept his Somali one Tahliil, you seem to be telling us that one instance represents the man more than 30 years of experince? Come on you are sounding desperate.

^^Your are trying to build a case against the man according to your perception of an interview. Well Cadow was a leader of a clan group that promised heaven and then let the children die. Compared to Azhari he is a man who cowardly backed away from the fight they started. Azhari at least served time for what he belived in.