xiinfaniin;839962 wrote: xaaji xunjuf, time has proven you and your ilk wrong, your waterloo was in 1992 , and not in the wars of ssc and khaatumo. you miscalculated the resolve of certain clans residing in colonial Somaliland and their determination against separation from the mother land. after twenty years of hype and propaganda, you are at the mouth of political implosion. Alas it is evident that you hope Sheekh Sharif to turn out sympathetic to accepting face saving political agreement while you are afraid of the inevitable and final political contours that are about to shape the emerging state... Xiinfaniin Somaliland doesn't worry about khaatuumo or others they are busy fighting over checkpoints with the garowe clan enclave between tukaraq and Garowe, let them do their thing. Sh sharif wants to come back as the president he doesn't want to many problems since he is facing to many problems and obstacles in Somalia insecurity, islamists poverty corruption with in the TFG, foreign troops in the country. A charter that is about to be transformed into a constitution. Somaliland govt will talk to sh sharifs govt and u just watch and wait for the outcome ama waynu heshiin ama heshiin mayno Ileen wa lilaahidi eh:D

Blessed who cares if they are out or not Somaliland is willing to talk to the TFG whether 12.000 Amisom troops are protecting the TFG Government or not. The Govt of Somaliland and the the TFG Somalia Government have the green light to talk and the international community will mediate between the two entities, it can't get any better blessed.Do you think things will miraculously change in Somalia after august i don't think so General Bahuku will still be there Mahiga will still be there after august. The political fights between a decentralized state or clan federalism will continue. Azania vs jubaland and setting up clan fiefdoms in jubaland will continue. And the fight against the islamists will also continue with the help of the international community. So it doesn't really matter if Somaliland talks to sharif or after august with sharif or another President. its the same sharaab only a different bekeri.

People are divided on this Xiinfaniin Somaliland made some conditions while some individuals with in Somaliland are against any talks with Somalia at the moment like the former finance minister and also several parliamentarians. Last time any one mentioned anything about talks with Somalia is when the Foreign minister said that Somaliland withdrew from the talks. And today Sh sharif said he wants the help of the tribal chiefs of Somalia when talking to Somaliland.

Dhalmada aad ha lo badiyo raaxada so raacdana aad halooga faiideysto dhashana ha so kordhaan, Somalidu wa dad yar yar dadka waloo bahanyahay.

^^ These girls are very young wa 15 jir 16 jir the girl in the video was much older kuwaas way xissaabsanyihin caruur.

Why not be happy in Somaliland people have what they want

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Caruurtanu runta ma rabtan waxa dayacay abayashood they don't have a role model berigi hore Tupac shakur iyo Puff daddy ba aha role modelkooda maantana 50cent iyo mid la baxay the game, Habluhuna Beyoncey iyo Rihana ba waalay iyo kabo dhadheer oo la xidho iyo nightclubyo la tago iyo wixi la mid ah. Wa waxad u arkeysid inay marwalba gidaarada tagaanyihin. Yaryarka waxay u bahanyihin qof gacan qabta oo tusa they are lucky inay wax bartaan jamacada ka baxan shaqooyin fiican ka shaqeyaan ,laakin if Hooyo mar walba aroos tegeyso laga tumayo markay guriga joogtona ay hagbad, ayuuto ururinayso, Dumarku xita wabay dhaman raga xogaha sabab iyagu inta badan waba la jogaan caruurta iyaga ba koriya. Laakin Caruurta abahood inta badan mafrish iyo sheeko maqaaxi iyo fadhi ku dirir bu ku maqanyahay yaryarkuna busstationka bay istaagayan sida Jumaicanka bay radio qaadanayan drugska ka ibinayaan. Mar mar gangs noqonayaan sabab ma oga nolosha wanaagsan waxay noqon karto.They can live in Somaliland and escape the west they can stay there learn the culture language, laakin dhibtu waxa weye markay reer Hargeysa walaan oo ay yidhahaan sidaasa lo socda iyo sidaasa afla lo qaloociya.

^^ As if there was no feud between oromos and Somalis before:D You can blame the TPLF for lots of things but the oromos and Somalis were always at war with each other.

^^ I cant see that

Dhagayso ” Cali Max’ed Geedi oo u Sharraxan Madaxwayne-nimo Jun 7, 2012 - Raysul wasaarihii hore ee Somalia Cali Max’ed Geeddi ayaa shaaca ka qaaday inuu u sharraxanyahay xilka madaxwayne nimo ee dalka Soamlia. Xilli uu waraysi siinayay idaacadda VOA-da asagoo ku sugan magaalada Nairobi ayuu sheegay in uu yahay musharrax u taagan xilka madaxnimo ee Somalia, wuxuuna intaa raaciyay in marxaladda uu haatan dalku ku jiro ay mudantahay in wax laga qabto. Cali Max’ed Geeddi ayaa ka digay in hardanka siyaasadeed ee socda in aan lagu lumin fursadaha jira, isla markaana dib loo milicsado taariikhdii la soo maray. Mar uu ka hadlay qeyla dhaanta ka imaaneysa qeybaha bulshada oo ku aadan habka lagu soo xulay odayaasha dhaqanka ayuu sheegay in aanu aqbali doonin in la fara geliyo awooda odayaasha dhaqanka. Mr.Geeddi ayaa xilka iska casilay 2007dii xilligaasoo uu dalku madaxwayne ka ahaa Allaha u naxariistee Mudane C/laahi Yuusuf Axmed http://warqaad.com/2012/06/07/dhagayso-cali-maxed-geedi-oo-u-sharraxan-madaxwayne-nimo/

^^ Its possible we know where the galla madow live

Prof. Cali Maxamed Geedi oo ku dhawaaqay inuu yahay musharax u taagan xilka Madaxtinimada Soomaaliya… June 7, 2012 | Warqabad.net 07-May-2012: Ra’iisul Wasaarihii hore Soomaaliya Prof. Cali Maxamed Geeddi ayaa maanta kaga dhawaaqay Magaalada Nairobi ee dalka Kenya inuu yahay musharax u taagan doorashada xilka Madaxtinimada Soomaaliya oo lagu wado inay dhacdo 20-ka bisha Agosto ee sanadkan. Isagoo wareysi siinayay Laanta Afka Soomaaliga ee VOA-da ayuu Prof. Geeddi muujiyay in aanu ka bixin Siyaasada, isagoo si qoto dheer uga hadlay siyaasada iyo xilliga kala guurka ah ee lagu jiro. Prof. Geeddi oo iska casilay xilka Ra’iisul Wasaarenimo dhamaadkii bishii October ee sanadkii 2007-dii markii cadaadis uga yimid Beesha Caalamka, kadib khilaafkii siyaasadeed ee kala dhaxeeyay Madaxweynihii hore ayaa sheegay in Soomaaliya ay heysato fursad ay ugu gudbi karto Dowlad rasmi ah. Qodobka koowaad Soomaaliya waxa ragaadiyay maamulo KMG inay dhamaadaan dowlad rasmi u gudubto soomaaliya waa wax umada soomaaliyed ay aad iyo aad u sugeyso, caalamakana uu sugayo, sidaas daraadeed halganka socdo waxaa rajeynayaa inuu mira dhal noqdo, maslaxada umada soomaaliyed uu ku gaba gaboobo”ayuu yiri Prof. Cali Maxamed Geeddi. Prof. Geeddi ayaa ka digay in hardanka siyaasadeed ee socda in aan lagu lumin fursadaha jira, isla markaana dib loo milicsado taariikhdii la soo maray. Somaliland iyo Puntaldn waxaa dhisay dhaqan, dhaqanka soomaaliyed ee soo jireenka waa midka saldhiga iyo marjaca u ah Umadaha Soomaaliyed”ayuu yiri Prof. Geeddi oo muujinayay awooda dhaqanka u leeyihiin inay soo xulaan Baarlamaanka cusub. Mar wax laga weydiiyay arrimaha ammaanka ayuu sheegay in Xukuumadihii u dambeeyay aanay waxba ka soo naasa cadaan dhismaha Ciidan qaran oo la yagleelo, isagoo xusay in ciidan qaran oo aan la dhisin inaan lagu riyoon in Soomaaliya nabad ka islaaxdo, Soomaaliya waxay dhahdaa biyo sacabdadaa looga dharkaa ciidan qaran oo Soomaaliyed oo la dhisin yaan lagu riyoon, in dalka nabada oo aslaaxdo oo sharci iyo kala dambeyn ku soo noqdo, Ciidamada Midowga Afrika, waxaana haa mas’uulkii wax ka qaban qaabiyay, heshiiskii dalka ay ku soo galeen wax ka saxiixay, waa loo baahi qabaa, laakiin baahida loo qabo mid joogta ma noqoneyso waa KMG, in inta ay nala joogaan ciidamo qaran la dhiso, taasna waxaa ka gaabiyay Maamuladii la soo maray”ayuu yiri Prof. Geeddi. Xilligan kala guurka Soomaalida hada mareyso waa la garan karaa in loo baahan yahay dowlad xoog leh amniga sugta howlaha hor yaala dhista, soo celinta kala dambeynta dhismaha Hey’adaha dowladda, Maamul goboleed, in dowlad fuliso awooda in Soomaaliya yeelato nidaamka xisbiyada Sidaas daraadeed waxaa ka mid ahay musharaxiinta u tartameysa hogaanka dalka Soomaaliyed, anoo Kalsooni ku qabo hadii umadeyda i doorata wax badan qaban doono, in Soomaaliya u baahan tahay amni iyo nabadeyn”ayuu yiri Ra’iisul Wasaarihii hore ee Soomaaliya. Sidoo kale Prof. Geeddi ayaa sheegay in Soomaaliya u baahan tahay hogaan adag oo ku soo celiya sharafka dadka Soomaaliyed, cadaalada, isagoo tilmaamay in dadka waxa kala fogeeyay ay tahay cadaalad darada sida uu yiri. Cadawga Soomaaliyed waxaa ku tilmaamaa marka la sheekeysanayo siyaasiyiinta iyo wxgaradkaba Soomaaliya waxaa ka jira iraahdaa Saddex Cadaw mid waa argagixiso, burcad badeed iyo mususq maasuq, musuq maasuqa si gaar ah danaha umada soomaaliyed ayuu ragaadiyay”ayuu yiri. Mar uu ka hadlay qeyla dhaanta ka imaaneysa qeybaha bulshada oo ku aadan habka lagu soo xulay odayaasha dhaqanka ayuu sheegay in aanu aqbali doonin in la fara geliyo awooda odayaasha dhaqanka. Ma doonayo inaa hal boqor suldaan, islaan, malaaq, wabar, ugaas iyo imaan inaan iraahdo ina adeerow hebel xildhibaan iiga soo dhig ha i doortee, xaaraame iga tahay waa inay ka feejignaadaan dhamaan siyaasiyiint inay isku dayaan inay dadka gacan la galaan ama fara geliyaan, Beelaha soomaaliyed inay sidooda wax u qeybsadaan, fara gelinta waa la socdaa qeyla dhaan ka taagan odayaal dhaqameedyada xamar lagu soo uruurshay oo meelo kala duwan laga keenay, qeyla dhaanta yeereysa in wax qaldan yihiin baa muuqata wixii qaldan in la saxo waa lagama maarmaan hadii kale cawaaqib xumada Soomaaliya u keenta mas’uuliyadeeda waxaa qaadeysa cidii ka shaqeysay, ma aqbali karno umada soomaaliyed aqbali meyso, hogaamiye dhaqameedyo soo jiray qarniyo ma ahan wax la magacaabay ama la doorto ee waa boqortooyo dhalasho ku timaada, ma ahan nabadoon beesha inta doorato hadhow la eryo”ayuu yiri Prof. Geeddi oo ka hadlayay arrinta odayaasha dhaqanka iyo habka soo xulida Xildhibaanada Baarlamaanka cusub. Murashixiinta Soomaaliyed waa u siman yihiin dhaqanka inay cid u hiilin cidna ka hiilin, si daacad u soo xulaan baarlamaan iyaga ay soo xusheen, Beesha Caalamka waxaa ka codsaneyna inay boqorada Soomaaliyed gacan ku siiyaan inay si dhex dhexaadnimo ah oo aan fara gelin, lana handidin oo la laaluushin inay la xulaan baarlamaanka soomaaliyed ee soo socda”ayuu sii raaciyay hadalkiisa. Ugu dambeyn Prof. Geeddi ayaa sheegay inuu isu diyaarinayo si uu uga qeyb galo doorashada madaxtinimada, inkastoo aanu sheegin goorta uu Muqdisho imaanayo, hase ahaatee waxaa uu Prof, Geeddi ka mid noqonayaa musharaxiinta isa soo tareysa ee loolanka adag ugu jira Madaxtinimada Soomaalida.

Pending Demarcation of the Somalo-Oromo Boundaries By Faisal A. Roble June 07 , 2012 Official news reports coming from the Somali National State of Ethiopia, Jigjiga, and carried by WardheerNews confirm that the demarcation of boundaries between the Somali and Oromia regions is entering its final phase. If handled unfairly as did happen in the past, the results of such a demarcation could negatively impact the lives and properties of Somalis living in Liiban, Afdheer, Fiiq, Shiniile, Babili and Jigjga zones. The ruling party in Oromia region, Oromo Peoples Democratic Organization (OPDO), is a member of the Ethiopian Peoples Revolutionary Democratic Front (EPRDF) and a close partner of the Tigrian Peoples Liberation Front (TPLF). The question is whether Somalis are in any position to stop the expansion of Oromia territory at the expanse of Somali inhabited districts. http://www.wardheernews.com/Articles%202012/June/07_demarcation_roble.html

Somali opens Mogadishu's first dry cleaners in decades By Mary Harper BBC News Many Somalis send their clothes by air to Kenya to get them dry cleaned Continue reading the main story Somalia - Failed State A businessman has opened a dry cleaners in Somalia's capital - the city's only one, and its first since the start of the civil war more than 20 years go. Mohamed Mahamoud Sheik decided to start it when he returned home recently to Mogadishu after years abroad. He told the BBC the city's security had improved in the last 10 months, since Islamist militants were pushed out by African Union and government forces. Mr Sheik also noticed businessmen would take suits abroad to clean them. Continue reading the main story “ Start Quote When they read 'Somali Premium Laundry', they say, 'wow, is this a real laundry?” Mohamed Mahamoud Sheik Failed state or can-do nation? "My dad, friends and people in the government were taking their clothes to be dry cleaned in Kenya," Mr Sheik said. "They either took them themselves, or gave them to friends who were flying to Nairobi. Everyone, from the president downwards, was really suffering." Somalia has had no effective central government since 1991, and has been wracked by fighting ever since - a situation that has allowed piracy and lawlessness to flourish. The Islamist al-Shabab militia, which is fighting the UN-backed interim government, still controls much of the south of the country, but since it was forced from Mogadishu, the city is coming back to life. People are going to the beach, opening restaurants, hotels and other businesses. Government guards Mr Sheik, who has a business degree from a university in Malaysia, was working at the airport in Dubai when he came upon the idea. The new dry cleaners imports most of its supplies by sea from Dubai With no experience in the cleaning industry, he spent his spare time picking up skills at a dry cleaners owned by a friend. "Setting up a laundry in Mogadishu was really difficult. The equipment is expensive, and I had to order the washer, dryer, presser and dry-cleaning machine from Dubai, the US and Italy," Mr Sheik said. Finding a suitable premises was also a problem. "Because the city is more peaceful now, everybody is running to find a place to open a business. Getting a building is really hard in Mogadishu these days because there is so much competition for space." Although most al-Shabab fighters have been driven out of Mogadishu, the city is by no means safe. Suicide and other attacks are common. Government officials have provided Mr Sheik with one guard at night and two during the day. The dry cleaners has been road-tested for a few weeks prior to the grand opening on Friday afternoon, which coincides with Mr Sheik's 24th birthday. He says people cannot quite believe their eyes when they see his sign. "When they read 'Somali Premium Laundry', they say, 'wow, is this a real laundry? Is this place open?'" Mr Sheik is aware that he will face many challenges running his business in a country that has been at war for most of his life. "It's very hard to find people in Mogadishu who know about dry cleaning. I found one man who used to work in a dry cleaners in the city more than 20 years ago, but the equipment he used was completely different." Private companies are providing reliable supplies of both water and electricity, he says. He has brought spare parts and other supplies in Dubai, and says he can easily order more, which can be shipped across the ocean in a matter of days. Mr Sheik says he will give some of his profits to a school for the blind and deaf in Mogadishu. "At this time in Mogadishu you can walk around anytime you want to. You feel safe. The explosions and the fighting have stopped. "I was a bit lonely in Dubai, and I was always worrying about my family in Mogadishu. I see myself making a life here, amongst my people." More on This Story

Somalia’s President urges elders to help jump-start talks with Somaliland MOGADISHU — Somalia’s transitional president Sheikh Sharif has called on the country’s elders and tribal leaders to help revive talks between Somaliland and his government. Mr. Sharif briefed the elders at a meeting in his office in the Somali capital on Friday in a bid to resume the negotiations between Mogadishu and Hargeisa – the first such since 1991. The Somali president said that it was vital to break the current diplomatic stalemate and consultation was needed in order to find a solution. He reiterated that dialogue and negotiations were the only and accurate means to resolve the Somali differences. “We need you to take constructive role in jump-starting a dialogue between the transitional federal government (TFG) and Somaliland. We will welcome all your recommendations,” he told them. Talks between the two sides was first proposed during the London Conference on Somalia in February this year. The direct talk has since stalled and Somaliland says it is largely due to the TFG’s decision to include members from Somaliland community in its negotiation team. Both Sheikh Sharif and the Somaliland President Ahmed Mohamed Silanyo nominated a team of negotiators charged with enhancing dialogues and cooperation. Somaliland formed a team of five where as the TFG nominated seven members which included two who happen to hail from regions within Somaliland territorial borders. Somaliland insisted that their (TFG) nomination was a key source of dispute and that if talks were to resume, the TFG, must form a new team. Somaliland Foreign minister Mohamed Abdullahi Omar, who was leading the Hargeisa team, accused the TFG of ‘hidden agenda’ and withdraw from the talks. Now following the recent Istanbul conference, the international community has urged both sides to be more flexible and to resume talks. Sheikh Sharif said on Friday he was willing to resume dialogue with Hargeisa and that negotiations were Meanwhile Hargeisa says it needs greater clarity about the TFG’s overall agenda and that it is always ready for talks. If talks resume, Somaliland is expected to go there with the same general demands. This would be the first direct talks between Hargeisa and Mogadishu since the collapse of Somalia’s last central government of dictator Mohamed Siad Bare in 1991.

Odayaasha Dhaqanka oo laga codsaday inay door ka qaataan Wadahadallo dhex-mara DKMG ah iyo Somaliland Jimco, June 08, 2012 (HOL) — Madaxweynaha Soomaaliya, Shariif Sheekh Axmed ayaa ka dalbaday odayaasha dhaqanka ee beelaha Soomaalida inay gacan ka geystaan wadahadallo dhexmara dowladda KMG ah ee Soomaaliya iyo Somaliland. Shariif Sheekh oo odayaasha dhaqanka kula kulmay madaxtooyada ayaa xusay in aan marnaba la xallin karin mashaakilka Soomaaliya ka jira haddii aan la wadahadlin loogana baahan yahay odoyaasha dhaqanka inay door ka qaataan wadahadallo lagu soo celinayo midnimada Soomaaliya. "Waxaa la idinka doonayaa inaad gacan ka geysataan sidii wadahadallo ay u dhex-mari lahaayeen DKMG ah iyo Somaliland, waan soo dhaweynaynaa fikir walba oo aad soo-jeedisaan," ayuu Shariif Sheekh u sheegay odayaasha dhaqanka. Dowladda KMG ah Soomaaliya iyo maamulka Somaliland ayaa waxay horay ugu shaaciyeen inay yeelanayaan wadahadallo ay uga hadlayaan mustaqbalkooda, kaddib go’aan arrintan ku saabsan oo kasoo baxay shirkii arrimaha Soomaaliya looga hadlay ee ka dhacay London bishii Feberaayo sannadkan. Sidoo kale, madaxweynuhu wuxuu sheegay inay ka go’an tahay dowladda KMG ah inay la furto Somaliland wadahadallo, inkastoo Somaliland ay horay u qaadacday wadahadallada, iyadoo sheegtay in guddiga ay DKMG ah saartay ay ku jiraan xubno u deegaannada ay ka taliso kasoo jeeda. Odayaasha dhaqanka ayaa soo dhaweeyay hadalka madaxweynaha Soomaaliya, iyago xusay inay diyaar u yihiin inay gacan ka geystaan dadaal walba oo nabad looga dhalinayo Soomaaliya. Kulammada dhexmaraya odayaasha dhaqanka iyo madaxweynaha Soomaaliya ayaa socday laba casho, iyadoo maalin ka hor uu madaxweynuhu ku booqday odayaasha halka ay deggen yihiin, isagoo ku boorriyay inay soo xulaan ergadii ansixinta dastuurka iyo xulidda xildhibaannada baarlamaanka.

Sifir was part of the kulmiye party untill 2003. When silanyo lost in 2003 he left and joined cabdilahi yusufs govt. But his heart never left somaliland and now he is back and somaliland is his country

Thats not amiir godane

Oke qandalaawi nothing happened the kacaan govt didnt fight inside hargeysa against the somalilanders. Have it youre way

Qandalawi what institutions i visited Hargeysa in 1993 there was nothing even the so called House of Moorgen u are talking about was partly destroyed, the bridges were destroyed the council house of Hargeysa was destroyed Masjid Jamaca weyn eeh hargeysa was destroyed. Xafadaha (shacabka) a district of hargeysa oo dhan was destroyed. So tell me what institutions the peoples of Hargeysa inherited from the former government everything in Hargeysa today was either built by the SL govt or the by the People of Somaliland.

^ yes thats Sifir.

Che well don't blame them the ONLF is funded by the diaspora Somalis from Somali galbeed region there is no Somali State that supports their cause Military logistically financially. Its not so sure about their political objectives and how to reach those. Its not that they are not capable of securing their goals and its the not the leadership of ONLF.There might be some short expecations u want from the movement but we are talking about a rebel movement with no outside support only from Eritrea and a handful Somalis in the diaspora.

Because i know people from those regions some prefer to be part of Ethiopia some say we can climb the ladder all the way up to the throne in Addis.But as you said the people the majority want to be independent from Ethiopia if given the chance but the dilemma comes what to do after independence. It will be more dangerous to keep silent about the future of the region,how about a referendum to join Somalia or not can that be an option?