^^ What if it peacefully disintegrates several republics in the current Ethiopia, similar to what happened in Yugoslavia no need for refugees or constant wars.

Nimanki HAG way dhaarsanyihin xita Xiinfanin ba nafla carar ah

Quruxda maxay koonfurianska kala dooni way so maydhmi uun eh. They are better off part of SL

She looks ethnic Somalilandish eventhough i cant see her entire face but she has a long face.

Xiinfaniin clan territories in Somaliland are well defined every community in SL know their clan boundaries. The clan map i posted is correct it includes every single village inhabited by the garaad clan. It also indicates where they border all the other clans of SL. No one is talking about grazing all clans in Somaliland graze all over Somaliland. You will see some one from burco graze as far as Boocame. And some one from boocaame as far as far as Kiridh. By the way STOIC is an adult he is not a child he can form his own opinion regarding these subjects.

*Blessed;912022 wrote: Aad iyo aad. Haye from my avater, xaafadee igu sheegi lahayd? Xafada bridgka hoostisa Hargeysa ama sinai , but you are from burco ,do you have fanax. ileen burco hilib badan ba lugu cuna

Alpha Cali jamac was one of the finest Somali poets hal abuur maanso ruug bu aha and golle ka fuul, He could freestyle gabay style only a few Somali poets could do that. His wisdom is still used in modern society Lol@ tolk's committee , waloo bahanyahay wa in dadka taarikhda la bara:D

huurale cali jamac iyo huluq dameer ba leh lol Cali jamac haabil from berbera thats the name you are looking for , he was a very tall man and he always liked to swim at batalaale , maalin bay basaasinti ina cabdalle xassan so khaawiseen lol

Blessed inadeer ma yaabtay:D

Xiinfaniin stop making up stuff Thats far from accurate since when do the garaad clan live in gar adag dararweyne caynabo kiridh oog all of western sool and the entire Buhoodle district they even claim in that map. The holy town of Maydh, this is the moste accurate clan map of the garaad clan.

Alpha i forgot they have some tall cases like ina Bisad but its a bit to extreme:D

Most people in Burco have long faces and a fanax between their ilko long shoulders and not a big forehead In Ceerigaabo people have round faces very soft hair hardly no nappy hair most people are tall in ceerigaabo and have long hawk noses. Laascaanood look totally different most people in laascaanood are not skinny they are muscler young and old, you will hardly see a skinny reer laascaanood also the Hawk nose is present in Laascaanood. The South Hargeysa salaxlay aware look is a goldish look these people have brown eyes and are also muscler they are not skinny they have long faces some are tall some are normal lenth.They have a normal nose sometimes a hawk nose. Borama people are not tall not short in between, borama people look very different but the normal look of reer borame is soft hair brown skin sometimes very light skin. They have soft hair most of the time they are skinny not muscler. Hargeysa is a bit tall but they have also some shorties the hawk nose is not really there but there are some cases reer hargeysa have hawk noses. some have nappy hair most people there are skinny and a brownish look. Reer berbera are skinny short with hawk noses but very dark skin no nappy hair soft hair most of them.

Hargeysa look Borama look Salahlay Aware look Berbera Look Burco look ceerigaabo look Laascaanood look

I wouldn't celebrate to early Ethiopia might disintegrate in the future but they can also keep their unity we cant tell for sure. The united states are not good at predicting. But Ethiopia is a ticking time bomb ready to explode due to many factors. Ethnic tensions TPLF totalitarian control growing population religious tensions. The no peace no war situation with Eritrea and ofcourse poverty. If Amhaara take over they would transform Ethiopia better than the ruling Junta. The Amharas are ethnocentric folks and with their cultural imperialism in Ethiopia they define the Ethiopian National identity. The Ginbot if they take over they would reform the constitution remove ethnic federalism from the constitution. But there will never be a power vacuum in Ethiopia like in Somalia. They might be weakened politically and internally till the day of today 80% of the top generals of the army in Ethiopia are Amhaara The TPLF just replaced the top leadership to have firm control over the army. If the Amhaara remove the TPLF the oromos will follow their Amhaara masters. And the Amhaara will share power with the Oromo. But how it seems now the TPLF is still in full control lets see how it goes. After the TPLF gets rid of Wolayta boy Haile Mariam Deselegn. The Ethiopian Empire must be destablished but what will be the consequences. For us its good if Oromo becomes one country Amhaara becomes one country. Somali galbeed will be free. But the oromos are the one now that want to change Ethiopia and rule Ethiopia because of their demographic superior numbers over all the other ethnic groups lets see how it goes.

Could happen but the Ethiopians can prevent it to if they get rid of the TPLF regime.

Wadani;911973 wrote: This map is unjust. I don't think Khaatumo supporters on SOL would agree with it, or else they'd be doing exactly what their accusing Somaliland of doing. The most pro Khatumo website uses it as their background wallpaper on the famous www.allssc.com lol But i dont mind khatumo claiming burco though or maydh after all they are Somalilanders. Let salax claim taleex laascaanood and Naxanugaleed and Liibaan can claim hargeysa and berbera.

oba hiloowlow;911965 wrote: with due respect Liibaan sxb if that is the case how come Laascaanod is still under SL runtii i know if tolka is united nobody can't stop them. Khatumo is homegrown entity but the truth is the Somaliland people of the garaad clan and those from puntland were silenced . i remember how boqor dabagooye was told to stf. If they were smart they would have invited the likes of xaabsade and others and cabdisamad cali shire. And they could unite for the better of the clan.

STOIC;911958 wrote: I don't even know who lives in Western Sanaag..My reference point was the cities (or tullo for our pedantic Salax) that Khatumo clans own. Only a delusional Somalilander with symptomatic of a psycho-pathological disease might be fooled to think that this clan wants to be part of the secession. It is the apparent collective amnesia of Somalilanders that worries me. These people are fighting for their inalienable right to be same footing with the rest of Somali clan. Everyone wants to control his land.Every Somali wants to be the leader of his corner and I really don't see any reason to block their ambitions. They are NOT clay to be molded by the Somaliland potters hand.They want to be free and it will only create more problem for the already fragile Somaliland if they keep winning wars instead of peace! STOIC dont be so hard on Salax have u seen the Khatumo map they claim half of burco district here is their map lol

Suldaan Hilowle Suldaan Xeefoow Xuseen oo ah Gudoomiye ku xigeenka odayaasha dhaqanka Belaha HAG oo la hadlayay Warbaahinta ayaa wuxuu ka hadlay maamul u samaynta Jubooyinka, Wuxuuna kasoo horjeestay qaabka ay iminka u soconayso Maamul samaynta Jubooyinka. Wuxuu sheegay Suldaankaan HAG inaysan u dhamayn dadka daga deegaanada Jubooyinka qaabka maamulka loo samaynayo, wuxuna xusay niman gaara inay gacanta ku dhigeen awoodii Maamulka isla markaasina ay hadba dhankii ay rabaan wax u dhigayaan, arintaasi oo uu guul daro ku tilmaamay. Suldaanka ayaa sheegay Kooxaha Raaskambooni inay yihiin Jabhada kusoo duushay deeganadaasi isla markaasina aysan ahayn rag ay ka go’do talada deegaanada ay xoogga ku haystaan waa sida uu hadalka u dhigay Suldaan Hilowle. Hadalkani kasoo yeeray Gudoomiye ku xigeenka odayaasha dhaqanka Beelaha HAG ayaa imaanaya xili dhawaan la filaya inuu Magaalada Kismaayo ka furmo Shir la sheegay in Maamulka loogu samaynayay deegaanada Jubooyinka. http://www.toosiye.com/dhagayso-suldaan-hilowle-dadka-hada-kismaayo-jooga-dad-maamul-qaban-kara-maaha-sababtoo-ah-waa-hal-dhinac/

Qansax i think Somali is dad caanaha Soo maali jiray marki danbe dadki aan caanaha xita maali jirin ba loo bixiyey Soo maali.

Qansax did you figure out what Somali is yet:D

Deee Somali weyee lool

Somalilanders will overcome their problems but together we can reach our goals.

Xabad since Somaliland never signed or worked with Somalia on federalism or the so called road map or any other sort of federal framework with Somalia.We can say Somaliland is not involved in this. And the Somaliland and Somalia status and their future relations will be determined by the upcoming talks marka haka deg degin adeer.

State Department. Was this rushed and unexpected switch of US policy towards Somalia a quest by Hillary Clinton to leave a legacy behind and a personal attempt to clear her husband’s baggage with Somalia? 7 Time will tell or we would know it when some of the documents on Somalia are de-classified. Until then, the resumption of the relationship is a welcome matter for Somalia. Patching up a Fractured Society In his multiple speeches and presentations, President Hassan talked about security, what he called “a six-point plan” and his commitment to federalism. He often touched the right notes, like empowerment of the masses, cleaning up corruption and ending the nomenclature of “failed state” reserved for Somalia. Nonetheless, his rhetoric at times sounded as if they were directly borrowed from NGOs’ and PVOs’ text books; these phrases often mean nothing and amount to nothing more than well choreographed empty jargons and buzz words. What left a bad after taste, though, is that he rubbed sore spots by carelessly flirting with two issues that, one may assume, were meant to energize and ignite the passion of his political base. However, these comments gauge either his political naiveté or the political novice of his administration. First, he asked all Somalis to forget and forgive what had happened in the past and look to the future. But how can Somalis forget the bombardment of Hargaisa by South African piloted mercenaries, the poisoning of water wells of Mudug and Bari regions, or the massive accounts of atrocities of the 1990s civil war that professor Lidwien Kapteijins of Wellesley College details in her new book, “Clan Cleansing in Somalia: The Ruinous Legacy of 199a”? It is an impossible task for Somali to deliver to the President. Secondly and more gravely, what he said in reference to the conflict and brouhaha on the Jubaland that “a person who came from 1,000 Kilometer will not lead Jubaland’s governance,” 6 The Clinton administration, from 1993-1998 and the Bush Administration worked and armed various warlords, including Muse Suudi Yalaxow, Qanyare, Rage, and Mohamed Dheere whose might was broken and defeated by the Union of Islamic Courts. 7 In a recent interview with Somali Channel (dated January 19, 2013), Dr Ali Khalif Galydh, whose aptitude in reading the tea how the Western world operates, viewed the sudden and hastily orchestrated visit of the President of Somalia to Washington on the weekend of Obama’s inauguration for his second term, a period when Washington is close 5 Diplomatic Gains and Disunited Somalis: Challenges to President Hassan By Faisal A. Roble Copyright © 2013 WardheerNews.com or “Nin kun kilometer ka yimid uma ogalaanayno in uu dowlad u dhiso Jubooyinka” is troubling and divisive and a clear revisionist of Somali history and the oneness of the Somalia people. Who are these people he is talking about? His comments were interpreted differently by different people. Some even extended it to real persons. 8 Is he talking about the governor of Kismayo or the governor of Banadir (governor Tarzan) as both are transplanted from Qorahay and Mustaxiil, respectively? One can easily be persuaded that the President is not referring to the governor of Bandari (who was born in Mustaxiil) for he and said governor are political bedfollows from the same clan. His comments undoubtedly appear shrewd on the surface but have the malicious intent of “otheri-ing” some individuals while embracing others. If left unchecked, this witch-hunt and manipulation of Somalia’s lethal weapon called “clanism” could and may have serious import for the nation. One may ask: why is the President so passionate so publicly about Jubbland at this juncture in the history of this fractured country. The most obvious reason seems to be that may be, and only may be, he is trying to appeal to a radical constituent who hold him and his political views hostage to the days of the “ruinous” civil war of 1990s. 9 If so, one surmises that the President is playing the politics of “us versus them.” Instead of promoting wedge politics in public, the nation expects from him words of wisdom that call for “out of many, one,” or E PLURIBUS UNUM. Otherwise, division and wedge politics in Somalia will perpetuate the “failed state” status of the last 22 years. The Somali public must and shall demand public explanation or/and apology on this matter so that the President can move on to attend to the business for which the nation entrusted in him. The President, although most of the ideas he presented appealed to the peace-hungry masses, avoided certain key questions related to the looted/disputed properties in Mogadishu and the 8 It is also reported that a women’s group who met with him in Washington DC, in the hope of engendering peace and understanding between his camp and those who oppose him, came out with empty hand, disappointed. Some of them latter on shared their feelings and said that this President is travelling on a dangerous and unpredictable course. 9 A Somali parliamentarian who has met with him in Mogadishu informed this author that President Hassan appears to helplessly be a hostage to a radical group (clan and religious wise) that is literally suffocating him. The same parliamentarian, who empathizes with the President, informed me that President Hassan is aware of this suffocation and is looking for a safe way out before he get joked to death. 6 Diplomatic Gains and Disunited Somalis: Challenges to President Hassan By Faisal A. Roble Copyright © 2013 WardheerNews.com diversification of the administration of that city. A capital of the nation should smell and behave as a national mosaic city. If the President is not willing to clean up Mogadishu and reorganize it in the image of Somalia, then a national broad-based discourse of selecting the most appropriate National City is due. For the sake of patching up the fracture nation, the President shall attend to the following matters: 1. Establish an independent national commission, accountable to the President and the national parliament, to study and develop recommendations on how to address the question of looted/disputed private and public properties in Mogadishu. This issue should be dealt at three categories with each having a distinct timeline for research and resolution not necessarily in the following sequence: (a) residential properties; b) commercial properties; and © public owned land and buildings that are occupied illegally. 2. Impose a one-year moratorium on all disputed properties not to add, demolish or sell or put under escrow any disputed properties in Mogadishu until the results of the commission are in place. This will help stop the unregulated changes to looted/disputed properties and help reverse past trends resulted from the civil while ensuring that future investment in Mogadishu is safe and protected, 3. Draft a vision and a master plan showing the road map as to recreate a diversified Mogadishu so as to make it in the image of the nation, or recommend on the need to move the nation’s capital from Mogadishu. If Mogadishu stays the National City, it has to diversify its higher echelon of power seats. 4. Empower the people of Jubaland, Bay, Hiraan or any other entity in the country that is a member of the federal system without provoking one while endorsing another. In that connection, he also needs to apologize to the nation for his “other-ing” of some groups in the hope that he can re-unite the sprite of his nation. Without resolving these issues, the President’s cry for “one man one vote” is an unattainable mirage and an empty rhetoric. National traumas like the one that befall on Somalia can’t be wished away. The nation does not have a magic wand to wipe out pains of the past, and 7 Diplomatic Gains and Disunited Somalis: Challenges to President Hassan By Faisal A. Roble Copyright © 2013 WardheerNews.com therefore needs a workable reconciliation and recovery plan that mirror the above mentioned