i am looking for solutions haatu i dont really care much about uncles or what they get, I am looking for something that both Somalia and Somaliland can say hey this can work for both of us. Somalia and Somaliland situation can be solved real easy as i said the only thing stopping to solve the problem is Somalias emotional attachment to Somaliland.Its like when kids need to be walked in the dark by a parent Somaliland needs to hold Somalias hand while walking in the dark and the moment Somalia is ready to let go Somaliland will let go. Somalia needs caring and some sort of guidance from Somaliland.Somalia is a irresponsible kid and he likes to party and he invites his older not so good friends at his place Kenya Ethiopia uganda and they take advantage of his vulnerability and that needs to be helped. While his older brother Somaliland is busy moving out of town with his wife and kids. Little Somalia is left alone and needs shelter and the help he can use to overcome his problems.

You are correct mintid but the thing we havent had any formal talks with an admin in Mogadisho in a long time. Abdilahi yusuf sharif we hardly dealt with them only sharifs last days in office. And only with cabdi qasbaye in the 1999 but the thing was there wasnt any framework to hold talks at that time. Now there is the situation might be a bit different as how it was back than,

Well let the talking begin somalidu ha wada sheekeystan si hufan

NGONGE maybe Somalia should come under Somaliland for 10 years and after that when its people have the confidence to survive on their own we set them free just like a bird.

i could care less about Kulmiye baritoole baan bus hoostisa ku tuuraya kulmiye,, i dont care about SL internal politics it stinks habro kunte waweyn oo isku mashquulsan weye. Anigu waxanahay cadawahan kaga beegnahay curubta reer sheikh. Faraskaygi baan saranahay:D

oba hiloowlow;910513 wrote: waar dadkaan maxaa lo baryayaa let them believe in their fairytale LaLa land Waxa lo daba socda adna waad ogtahay ana waan ogahay ilaah na wa ogyahay Somalia cant survive with out Somaliland politically socially economically , i believe the vast majority of the koonfurians have not the confidence to exist on their own they need Somaliland to continue as a state., Somalia can surive with out O'gaden region with out NFD with Out Djibouti. But it cant surive with out Somaliland, with out Somaliland , Somalia is nothing zero the past 21 years is you're proof.

Alpha as long as you have ur guns and freedom you're people have a future They can take our wealth Destroy our homes Kill our elders They can even take our ictraaf But they can never take our freedom

Somalis are far from blessed having Big land in the Horn of Africa resources are also Minimum means little . But dadku waxay isku dhaafeen wax qabad eeh maha we are blessed ama cursed.in lugu murmu, Waxaasi wa qalbi caruur wa adigo is og inad fool xuntahay intad murayaada hor istaagtid tidhahdid waleh waan qurux badanahay ma anigo kale. Somalidu wa noocaas niyaday isu dhisaan wax jirin Somalia iyo Somaliland xoriyadi waxay qateen 1960 maantana iyaga ugu liita markay dhaqaalo mashaaric dhismaha dalka eegtid siday umadu u nooshahay, u eeg qaarada africa oo dhan, Djibouti 1977 xoriyaada qaadatay iyadguna waxba isla ma hayso.

Some people really dont get it cigaal silanyo tuur were the closest union matter infact vast majority of snm were unionist The. People said no to mogadsiho not the politicians some people really think the politicians are holding people hostage. Its not like that my friend go to somaliland speak to the people snm wanted some fair union in 1991 But the people said mogadisho has nothing to offer us eeh ina goyaa

Lol after afew pages we still havent agreed so far one person from somalia said let the people. Of somaliland decide their own future rahima. The rest is still against i hope the real talks. Will not go like this lol Sometimes i think the sl and somalia issue is the easiest to solve since somalia will not lose anything meaningful And a few min later i thinks its harder than the palestinian israeli conflict.

Somali standards are low this is how african capitals look like Nairobi Luanda Angola Harare Zimbabwe Johannesburg south Africa Addis ababa Asmara

I think they are cursed

DoctorKenney;910387 wrote: I'm sure the various provinces of China should also secede from China and declare "independence" after the atrocities committed by Chairman Mao Zedong and his regime in the 1970's. The people of Somaliland seem to forget that Siad Barre was a dictator. He killed and tortured thousands of members of Abdullahi Yusuf's clan but you don't see them renouncing their connection to the Somali Republic. Thats not the reason why Somaliland re declared its independence thats just one of the sacrifices the people of SL made to win their sovereignty something no one can take from them now. The Independence struggle started just after the Union when SL officers staged a coup in 1961. The union died the moment it was conceived in the hearts and minds of Somaliland. Somaliland was just considered as any other regions of Somalia like hiiraan or Mudug. No sharing of power between Somalilanders and Koonfurians. The Koonfurians took the President the Prime Minister the head of the Military and police commander and 95% of the cabinet positions. Than Adan cade came with the idea to place Somaliland troops in the south and Koonfurians troops in Somaliland. This was automatically seen as some sort of occupation. Than the corruption in the constitutional elections where one district of the south had more voters than the entire woqoyi galbeed region,the famous district Wanleweyn. When we all know the vast majority of the SL population rejected that constitution and voted no, but it was still pushed by the regime of Mogadishu. Than the Military regime took over and we went to war with Ethiopia and we all know what happened than the liberation struggle began. So the entire union of history between SL and Somalia was negative, and thats how the union failed. President cigaal explained it very well in details how it all went after all he was the one who made that awful Union. He regretted his mistake.

Haatu;910383 wrote: ^No no. Wrong again. Siyaad Barre and his government did it. Don't blame a whole country for the actions of a dictator. Wasn't that the Somali government Golaha shacabka kacaanka Somaliyeed maxan maqli jiray.

^^ That can be worked out since the people of Sanaag are not one clan but various clans and families living together these people lived together before colonialism and during colonialism and after independence and after Somaliland reclaimed its independence. In Sanaag there was a special conference held in 1993 hosted by the SL government at that time. And that's how people are living together today in peace and stability. We should know what clan or community has grievances before we can examine the core problem , there is no distrust between the people of Sanaag unlike in Kismayo where one predominant clan lives and people believe in the Somalia unity fought over that city since early 90s up to 2007. There was a war though in Sanaag in Somali there is a difference between Colaad iyo Nacayb. In the 80s there were wars several wars but that was colaad created and not nacayb seated.I would give the people who have some sort of grievances a special ear and work some sort of deal may it even be a autonomous status if it came to it. not just Sanaag but even berbera or any other region of SL. A decentralized system is perfect for Somaliland now we have a highly centralized regime hargeysa. Doctor in the 90s i honestly believed that there could be some sort of a union if both sides were honest but every year that passes by i see the chances declining whether recognition comes or not. Since 2007 i found out living together how we once did as brothers and sisters the past cant be reached any more. Just go to you tube and type in Somaliland 18 may parties and read the comments below between Somalilanders and non Somalilanders its almost frightening and most of these are kids are in their early 20s.

Carafaat believes in Cushetic Weyne

^ Fair point but Somalia did that.

I believe in Somaliweyn to but in the form of the European union, i dont think the O'gaden region and NFD region cant or shouldn't be part of Somalia or Somaliland. But cooperation between the different Somali countries and the movement of people thats the only feasible way to achieve Somaliweyn.

Richard dowden said he visited hargeysa in 1991 and he has never seen a city so destroyed and look at Somaliland today.

STOIC iskaa daa Somaliweyn Haatu ba wu iska nacay you're fellow suijuwi hada azania bu duuliyaa. Adigana waxa lagaga bahanyahay inad salaada faisal cali waraabe ku xidhatid:D

i some how think that's him unless he has a twin brother look how his bidaar is shaped exactly the same the fore heads are identical. i just cant measure his ears if i could do that i would know certainly that's him. They have the same hawk nose. But we still don't know if its him or not well not 100%.

i am starting to like STOIC even more these days:D

We cant know for sure thats him but they do have the same fore head.

I was born a free man i was never ordered in my life and i dont think no one can ever order the Xaaji around:D

How about giving Somaliland the chance to vote for independence like Quebec did they failed but give Somaliland the same chance. I am for a union a lose union call it what ever you want or a confederation as long as an official Exist referendum is given to the people of SL. And i think that's something Siilaanyo can sell to his people.