Originally posted by Mujaahid: Red Sea: Duke, you dont' make sense. It's true,Melez Zenawi said the other day,that it was huge mistake to let the port city of Asmar go. When did Asmara become a port city? You are speaking so irrationally your geography is off. That is how we know you are lying and being deceptive.

^ In Puntland and Somaliland regions of Somalia they are the reason that a lot of lives where saved. They are also the reason a lot of lives were saved in parts of the South. They hold a lot of influence. Denying it is like saying America is not an influencer on the world stage.

Mystic Whether it' backward or not. Clan chiefs hold much sway in Somalia. Whether you or I like it is not up for question. When a clan chief supports somebody it is like telling his fellow clansmen "Hey I believe this is in our interest, why o why don't you follow me".

Originally posted by HornAfrique: Nothing I have written is contradictory, Taakow! If you can relate to the people of Xamar in the spirit of walaaltinimo and Islaamnimo, I apologize. However, that is not the perception of you and some other TFG supporting individuals that I have formed. Now instead of admonishing me for having that perception, is it not more appropriate to question the reasoning that led me form? Yonis is another case altogether, but the general insensitivity and outright dismissal of the feelings and wishes of the people of Mogadishu is the same reason why I butted heads with multiple individuals on the Kismaayo issue and the lack of respect towards the wishes of the people there. Perception is not 9/10 of the law, or is it now? Especially across a computer screen it becomes harder to judge through perception. You have to base/formulate your opinion against my words. The people of Xamar and the ones that I have spoken too are supporting the Government, not out of clannish fervour, but out of the simple fact that they want governance. I have in-laws in Xamar who are well into their elderly life and they say they are sick and tired of lack of governance. They may not like/favour Yusuf/Geedi et al. But they certainly favour them against no government. When you say TFG supporting. Weren't you also, atleast lately amongst those TFG SUPPORTERS ? Or was it a case of, side with my enemy (TFG) against my bigger enemy THE ICU , to get my main man Hiraale back to his Thrown. Or is this just my PERCEPTION of YOU ? I remember men such as Sophist of all people dismissing the public refusal to accept the ICU force as a "khat-dealing women's revolt" when I had even provided proof to him that protests and public disturbances had begun as the ICU was entering the city and continued to ensue way past their decrees. I consider what is going on around here on par with that and I am truly disgusted to say the least. The reason why we are in a cycle is the outright inability to relate to our brethren beyond our clan circles and the lack of respect towards their feelings and wishes. Sophist might be rightfully speaking. Many of the people who suffered in Kismayo were Khat dealers. Rightfully or wrongfully so, they didn't base their outright disapproval of the ICU based on ideology, but their means of survival (Read:Khat) was banned. Needeth proof? Check here. This is a transitional government built on a platform for reconciliation . Reconciliation Taakow, reconciliation. This is not an existing government with functioning institutions. This government has no functioning institutions whatsoever but it was meant as a precursor of good things to come by setting the stage so the play can take place! Transitional government I agree. Nevertheless a transitional government can have insitutions. Such as a functioning army, police stations, ministries which actually operate and we've seen that albeit, the government is only in it's weaning stage. Throw basic measures such as allowing the government's citizens to contact a police station, (NOTE: All stations are functioning in the capital and some in many other places) it is providing a public service through one of its institutions. But from what I am noticing, the stage-setters have fantasized themselves to be the actors and that is why I believe the people of Mogadishu are reacting this way. The objective of reconciliation is totally missing in an environment where none is taking place. Who are these 'stage-setters' if I may ask ? Your level of ambiguity is profound saxiib. You should be more clear. Are you referencing it to a clan, the President or Prime minister? Or some of its ministers? Be more clear so I can answer your statement better. Taako, you are logically trying to proof the illogical. There is no way to logically ascertain how things are happening in Mogadishu because you know and I know and we all know it is nearly impossible to truly assert what percentages exist in a decade ungoverned city of two million people. Of anything, do not give me figures good Taako, do not. All we can do is look at local headlines as they are happening and realize things are not as they seem. That suffices at this given moment in time and you understand that full well I presume. So you are saying that the actions of a few which can pull headlines around the world show the overall climate of violence in a city and represent the total feelings of the general population? :confused: That is illogical. For instance Camden, Jersey (Note: Camden has/had one of the highest per capita rates of murder in the United States) might experience a murder. The murderers are confined to a few individuals or local gang(s). The headlines will read camden "THE MURDER CAPITAL". Buta ren't the majority of camdens residents outright against the situation the criminals pose to their good name? Are the majority of camdens residents against these 'stage-setters' or are do the acts of a few represent the whole? It's like a section of mogadishu who abused the national treasury for their own pursuits. They are linked through the clannish spheres of Somalis to the Former President Siad Barre. Would it be right to label for instance your parents (either one) a national treausry thief? Heck No.

^ No Castro speaks of higher islamic morales and what have you. How can a man support an islamic movement and be for homosexuality? Do you understand?

Originally posted by HornAfrique: Beesha Guri-ceel has no Suldaan, they have an Ugaas. Ugaas Cabdi-Dahir. He may be a newly crowned suldaan. There are multiple clan elders for many clans. Like the two clan elders for the north galkacyo clan etc

When did 'Somaliland' become Jordan? Ahlul Bayt? Are you kidding me?

Originally posted by Brown: quote:When did I ever say I was comfortable with rape, killings and bombings of people? Casualties of War are a normal thing. He is another casualty of war sxb. You said it. Allah ya Raxmah to all the casualties of this War. When the C-130 was bombing innocent nomads in Waamo,you didnt condemn it. Did I appraise it like some here are labelling me? Just because of my 'like' ( I couldn't tell you what that means) are saying stuff it doesn't represent me. Secondly I never showed pictures of dead people in "WAAMO". So I don't know what you are talking about. My contention is simple. Don't show pictures of dead Somalis.

Originally posted by HornAfrique: quote:Originally posted by Taako Man: [qb] Horn What does Bosaso have to do with MKA yoonis and Xamar? How are people living under tyranny and opression? Taako-Man- What they feel, you do not because you do not want to relate to them. What people feel can be derived from the actions they take and things they stand for and/or against. Now I am sure you do not need me to summarize for you the state of Mogadishu recently, so will tell me the people themselves there do not feel oppressed and threatened? As for our grade-school comedian, it has to do with everything. I said if Boosaaso was in the position of Mogadishu today, I pray to think if Yonis-Cadue would be giving us a more than candid calaacal of all things. Your a very contradictive individual. You say in one sentence I do not want to relate to people in Xamar without knowing what I stand for or who I am. Later on you say Yoonis would be complaining about bossaso even knowing that he is not from Bosaso? Your labelling of others is inappropriate. Do you know what is in the hearts of human beings? I hope not. For that would mean you are on par with Allah swt. Which in and of itself is impossible. What people feel can be derived from the actions they take and things they stand for and/or against. Now I am sure you do not need me to summarize for you the state of Mogadishu recently, so will tell me the people themselves there do not feel oppressed and threatened? The situation in Xamar is complex. You know very well the balance of the clans of Xamar. There are upwards of 2 million individuals in Xamar. The greater majority who want peace and government. I have relatives in the city and many know who and what is behind the recent problems in Xamar. You make it seem as a protest of a few hundred people, represents the majority? Or the bombings, of which many if not 80-90% are happening in select neighbourhoods in the South of Xamar represent the oppresion of the collective group of Xamar. Sadly you are mistaken. If that were the case the TFG wouldn't be allowed to survive in Xamar, in much the same way the USA couldn't survive there because much of the population were against them. However that is not the case now.

^ The mullah was fighting against the White british and their sidekicks. Of whom you would be familiar or was it family with So I wouldn't speak.

From HY to High York to Knicks. Oh how sweet is the smell of defeat LOL.

Originally posted by MKA Yoonis: Lol at Taako and Mariano! I was once told by a good aunt of me, that she and her fellow friends one day followed the funeral procession of Michel Mariono for clannish reasons! Apparently a fellow clansman of her said that the odey has 'bakhti' and they should follow his dead coffin all the way to the roman church in central Mogadishu! This was just before the civil war and she was saying that they just stood outside the church because they as muslims didn't want to enter it but apparently following the dead guy all the way to church was ok. Anyhow she said it was really bad and that she made repentence to god for making that grave sin. I was laughing all day wallahi that funny it was. She also told me it was a whole clan group that escorted him all the way to church but that they knew that they were following a gaal, really funny as some 'elder' told her not to miss this important 'event' hence her being there!

^ Delusions are not healthy buddy. Your on the receiving end of a mighty fine B-slap Maybe you haven't seen your psych lately? I know the great 'Sheik' Indhacadde wouldn't accept homosexuality even in his fake jihad prose of his final hours, but you on the other hand are something else. JIHAD ON THE RIGHT HAND, HOMOSEXUALITY ON THE LEFT.

^ I am talking about the most famous Somali gaal. Somebody who you and most people would be familiar with. There are many in the west. I happen to know two families personally in my city who were Gaal before they came to the west. One lady reverted mashallah but her father died gaal. There is even a website were gaal get together http://somalichristians.org/ But you know that already.

^ In the likely event that you don't know. Islam forbids Homosexuality. You would be crucified for your views and slapped silly for your jihad calls and your acceptance of Gay rights in Somalia.

Horn What does Bosaso have to do with MKA yoonis and Xamar? How are people living under tyranny and opression?

^ You could use a micropohne to give your dualist view of jihad and homosexuality being 'NATURAL'.

Originally posted by Abu_Geeljire: the Sisters of the Nativity Convent Orphanage

Originally posted by Castro: ^ So that's one. What about those converted when "through famines and problems come christian organizations through the guise of 'HELP'"? You know, the numbers you assured us are there. Mr. Mariano was a Christian before the famines so he's irrelevant to your assertions. quote: Originally posted by Taako Man: But I guess through your clan lens he was a MUJAHID eh? I'll consider this your waving of the white flag. Me and white flag are like the SNM capturing Hargeisa in 1988 Total opposites. They didn't capture anything till well after Siad Barre was toppled. How were the likes of Mariano and other Somali chrisitians Gaalified? 1) Orphaned 2) Adopted and whatnot. He just didn't become gaal on his own free will. He was presumably taken by a Gaal family and given a gaal name and a gaal way of life. This only happens when there are no parents. In bay and Bakool many kids were orphaned and many families starved in the early to mid ninties like no place else. Here is where the cadaan organizations pop in. They come with food and 'jesus glad tidings' and pooooof what happens? Some people in fact become gaal. That is how stuff like this happens.

Chalk this up as another lose for Indhacadde and his clan court supporters. Baraawe hasn't seen reer baraawe under control for 17 years. Which goes to show you why some like unrest, because they control minorities by the barrel of a gun.

Great pics General Duke. Support is growing and institutions are being built by the day. Mashallah.

^ WHAT IN THE BLUE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

From what I hear the centre was full to the max. Mashallah.

He is a defanged warlord. But I guess the Clan courts supporters will turn their anti-TFG stance based on warlords being Ministers and Governors is gone. So what is it next Clan Courters? LOOOL.

^ Michael Mariano was a gaal. You trust me don't you? But I guess through your clan lens he was a MUJAHID eh?