Asalamu Aleikum, Bro. Libaax-Sankatabte, its true that they are hundreds of Somali teens from western Europe or Australia sent back to Somalia for cultural rehabilitations, or DHAQAN-CELIS in Somali. Being a Bro. who travelled to Somalia for so many times, I seen and met some of those brothers who were sent back, what amezed me is that Some of them have easily integrated back to their wild west Somali culture, even to some extend they got married, settled there and refused to came back to Europe or N. America. When I asked some of them why they weren't willing to came back they stated me that they got all the freedom and manhood they were looking for in Somalia, they feel sense of belonging there, they even told me that in Somalia they felt IMPORTANT and dignify human being once again. Having said that there are some wild boys and girls who felt that they parents patriate them, therefore they went to closest Canadian or European Emmbassy or Consolate and got their one way ticket back to Toronto, Minniapolis or London streets. But what Alarmed me the most is that what damage they could do when those teenagers goes back to Somalia, namely they orgonise their gang groups and started their by trading drugs and porno Movies, plus teaching local kids about this bad behavior, weather it's new way of dressing, new walk, XXX, and being a disloyal to parents. etc. For me its 50/50 chance, therefore, whoever is willing to take it, go ahead and see what the future might hold for them. But as some of the bro and sisters stated being a nice toward parents or even night to yourself starts from Home and specially when the child is young. My Advice to the parents is that you should behave well infront of your kids if you want your children to be good Muslims and Good Somalis, who steadfast their culture and religion. Share your kids your personal experiences about life, tell them how your parents use to love you and treat you, tell them about Somalia and how we use to live there as kings and queens before the civil war. Jabarti Jabarti

November 2002 Teenagers and Marriage: Not a Lethal Combination This topic is written by Sister Shezena T. Mohammed, I am here to share with you and see your openion on this Issue. Bro. Jabarti As I start to get older and begin to experience adulthood, I don't think any aspect of growing up has hit me so hard as the concept of marriage. Not only marriage, but marriage and me. The first time someone I considered to be one of my peers told me that she was getting married, I couldn't believe it. No one our age ever got married. We weren't at the age where it's normal to get married and I wondered why anyone our age would want to do so anyway. And then suddenly I realized that we were at that age. Everyone Has an Opinion I often hear people saying that teenagers should never get married. They are too young, they say, why would they need to get married now, they need to study or finish growing up or even find themselves first, and then can think about marriage, but they have no business getting married now. And then of course there are those who say teenagers must get married while they are young, it's sunnah, living in America without a spouse is just too much, and they will surely go astray if they don't. With all these opinions floating around and a different one coming from everyone you ever knew, it can be hard for parents, walis, and unwed singles to see what they should do. Marriage is very important not only for us but our Ummah as well. Family is one of the building blocks of Islam and we should take our roles very seriously. Getting into this is something we should do with much care and consideration. We need to know what comes with it and what is expected of us. Going into marriage prematurely can have irreparable consequences and could really damage the marriage. But we cannot wait too long to get married either. This is half our deen, we should not wait needlessly. I've never heard anyone object for a teenager to perform Hajj which is a pillar of Islam, but I've heard over and over again objections to teenagers getting married which is even more. Our Prophet (SAW) said that marriage is half our deen. We shouldn't make this something only attainable to older people. Marriage protects us from immoral behavior and the sooner we have that guard the better off we are. The Question of Readiness It is expressed over and over again in the Quran and sunnah that Muslims should get married as young as they can and are ready to. It's no use being able to get married if you are not ready, you must have one with the other. I think a lot of the problems people have with teenagers and marriage is knowing when someone is ready. They assume that teenagers are not capable of being ready because of all the other teenagers around them. I think that most devout Muslim teenagers are not like other Western teenagers and really should not be treated like such. We aren't just overgrown children and we are raised in a much different manner and most of us don't have the same attitudes about marriage and that kind of commitment as other non-Muslim teenagers do, so we would be ready at different times than other non Muslim people. Of course just the ways things are, not everyone would be ready at the same time and should not be rushed to becoming ready. This is a huge part of your life and Islam and rushing it needlessly can only bring problems. We should only get married when we are ready, not when anyone else thinks we are ready. We should stop concentrating so much about if other people think it is the right time for us and think about if we and our parents think it is the right time for us. Our parents play a very important role in selecting a mate, they will be able to see things that we don't just because they are able to look more critically at the person than we can and they are looking out for our best interest. Doing it for Allah Getting married is a big thing and is something that should not be taken lightly. It's your life that will be changed, so you need to be the one who is sure that the time is right. But being ready doesn't mean as soon as you reach a certain age or as soon as a woman can change a diaper in thirty seconds and make dinner in an hour or when a man has a steady job and can afford to buy his wife a new piece of jewelry every six months and the necessities for having a baby. Marriage is much more than that, so preparing yourself for marriage should be much more than that too. In order to have the best marriage possible, the intended should try to be the best Muslims possible, not only during marriage, but before it too. No one would expect a bicycle to ride well with one flat wheel and especially not two. You may feel that you are financially ready, and that you are mature enough to do something like this and know and understand what comes with marriage, but you also need to want to get married. Not many would want to marry someone who doesn't really know if they want to do this yet. You need to want to do this for the right reasons. Getting married is half of our deen and we should want to do it because it will please Allah (SWT), not because anyone else wants us to, or you are capable, but for Allah (SWT) only. This needs to be the number one reason, for this and everything else we do in life. Have Realistic Expectations I think that a lot of the expectations people have of marriage could lead to disappointment. We live in a world that portrays marriage as either this wonderful commitment that is filled with rose petals on satin sheets, or a miserable prison with a nagging spouse as the prison guard. Marriage isn't either of these, it's not bliss and it's not a trap either. I'm sure marriage is wonderful at times but I'm sure it won't be without problems either. If people were to understand what marriage is and all that comes with it, I'm sure there would be less problems. A lot of people I know say that they try to have low expectations of marriage so they won't be disappointed, but we don't need to be fatalistic or cynical, we just need to have realistic expectations of what's it going to be like. We also need to know what is expected of us when we get married. We must know what we are getting into. Marriage may be not a steamy romance, especially at first, but we need to have the kind of compassionate love that will last for years and grow all the while. Psychologists have said this is the kind of love that will last, not a crush or anything like that. If we go into marriage knowing that this is what it's going to be like, it'll be better. We need to know the requirements and the expectations of us when we go into this. This is a commitment for your whole life and Insha'Allah jannah too, so you need to know what you are getting first. Trust in Allah We also cannot let this become a cause for great stress and let ourselves become overwhelmed when we aren't getting married as soon as we like. Allah (SWT) has a plan for each of us, all the pages have been written and the ink has dried so we just need to trust in Allah (SWT) for what is to come and in the meantime we can always better ourselves and prepare ourselves more. We should all know what comes with marriage, the things that are required, the right ways to deal with different situations, your and your mate's rights and duties to one another. Although marriage may seem complicated at times, it doesn't have to be. And teenagers getting married doesn't have to be complicated either. We need to think about what would be best for us and not play a passive role when deciding when the right time is and who we should marry. We shouldn't let it overwhelm us. It is something to be treasured for all our lives and when the time comes, Insha'Allah if we trust in Allah (SWT) and keep to our faith, we will have marriages that will last forever.

Asalamu Aleikum, We all speak pure and Original Somali, but we have different dialect as every other language do. Viva la Somalia. Jabarti.

Asalamu Aleikum, :eek:

Asalamu aleikum, This question has been on our discussion tables for the past 30 years, and there are three different scenarios about Somali Origin. 1.African Origin but Cushite race not Bantu. 2.Pharoah race. (Faaciinta dadkoodii.) 3.From north-Arabian Peninsula (Yemen and Oman) There are those who believe that Somalis are Cushitic (principally Somalis, Oromos, Danakil and Afar) and their evidence is that Somalis are within a wide family of peoples called Eastern Cushites by modern linguistics and described earlier in some instances as Hamites. From a broader cultural-linguistic perspective, the Cushite family belongs to a vast stock of languages and peoples considered Afro-Asiatic. Medieval Arabs referred to the Eastern Cushites as the Berberi. (That’s why we have Berbera)hahaha. The second groups say, that Somalis belongs to a pharaoh’s race. In Other words those who ruled Egypt about 2000 years ago belong to same group of people as Somalis, Ethiopians, Eritrea’s, Sudanese, Chadian, Nubian Egyptian, Quarter of Libyans, Niger, north African Barbers, and Mauritanians. If you look these people who are stretch from Atlantic Ocean to Indian Ocean have same race. In addition to that there is also archaeological evidence from Pharaoh's writings that there were business and people contacts between them and the people of the land of Punt. (Present North Eastern Somalia or So called State of Puntland. Last argument is that Somalis are the from followers of Prophet Muhammad on Somali coast in the early centuries Islam had significant impact on the Somalis, even some Scholars argue that Islam reached Somali earlier than Medina. Where some others claim that some of the Somali tribes came from Yemen and Oman and belong to tribes who are living there such as Mehiris and Suri who live in Oman, Yemen, and Rubu Khali desert of Saudi Arabia. Also, there are strong link between Sultanate of Mageirtenia, Awdal and the rules of Emirates, Yemen, and And Sultanate of Oman. To conclude my point, I was in Oman three years ago to visit some of my family members who are currently Oman’s national. To my surprise I found that 99% of them do not speak Somali; rather they all speak Arabic as their first language, even though they been there for 100 years only. That it-self shows you that someone can become someone else in a short period of time. My argument is that if that’s the case then what about our forefathers who came to Somali shores several Centuries ago. I personally believe that I am African by geographically, ethnically Somali, religiously Muslim and Originally Arab who belongs to Aqil tribe from Arabia. If you disagree my view then I guess u are from other Somali tribes who originally from Oromo, Dinakil, Galla, or Bantu, therefore you have every right to trace your origin to African race. We are in a free world.!!!!!! But don’t ever try to argue that we Somali tribes are all from same line, or same Origin, even though we are all Somalis now but, unfortunately we have different Origins, still we are Somalis and :confused: that’s what we should be proud of. Jabarti.

Asalamu Aleikum, Br. Jaaluut, first of all I am not an Islamic scholar who can make FATWA’S here, but what I hear from many scholars in the west and from the east is that interest or RIBA is HARAM period. And who ever tries to make excuses or permits what Allah himself prohibited is against Islam. The Holy Qur’an tells us that who ever uses Riba (all forms of interest) has transgressed and declared war against Allah. Then, who is fool enough to go a war against Allah the mighty, the power full and the created of all things. Secondly, yes there are so-called moderate Muslims who claim to be more open and liberal than the rest of us, they are trying to show the west that Islam is religion of all times and that they are not conservative or fundamentalist, but they forget that it’s Allah who make HARAM AND HALAL, its Allah who fulfil this religion of Islam by the time of Prophet Mohamed, we are here to fellow what Allah and his beloved prophet Muhammad ordered us to do. Allah said to Prophet Mohamed : (Wamaa Aleika ilal BALAAQ), means O’ Muhammad there is nothing else upon you except to tell the people about Islam, in another word to propagate and spread the message of Islam. Then what about us, do u think we can became MODARATORS AND LIBERTERIANS, or we should be loyal believers, and fundamentalist to adhere the origin and the true source of Islam (the Qur’an and the Sunnah of the Prophet Mohammed.) Remember, Allah says in the Quran, (lan tardhaa Al-yuhuudu wala Nasaaraa xataa tatabi'a milatahum) Which means that: " The Jews and the Christians will never be happy (pleased) or satisfy with you unless you fellow them". Therefore, we are here in this world for one purpose only and that’s to please and worship Allah alone. The world needs to be Islamised, not Islam to be modernized. Islam is the RILIGION OF ALL TIME’S AND ALL PEOPLE. It’s an NIVERSAL RELIGION. Thus, those so-called Moderate and liberal Muslims are in dark and gloomy position, they need to be brought into the Light of Islam. Jabarti :rolleyes:

First Asalamu Aleikum, Well, well what can I say!!!!About My sister Nasra's narrow view about Somalis. Sister, to be honest with you I hate those who generalize and say Somalis are so and so, the question is who are u then, aren't u a Somali, because if u are, then u are included. To answer your view, which say "where there is Somalis there seem to be trouble" is part true part exaggerated. If u look what happened or happening is Somalia now, yes you are right, because we are the ones who destroyed our country, Kill, rape, and most of all humiliated and destroyed our dignity as a Muslims and as a Human race. As a Muslims we have rights upon each other and that’s not to kill, cheat, backstab, slandder, rape, harm, and harass one another, but the reality says otherwise that means we are not good Muslims in that sense. On the other hand if u look our current conditions in the west, we are the lowest dominator of all, we cheat, lie, use and sell drugs, sell our sisters, that’s to name a few, but the list can go on and on. Now the question is how do we see ourselves, well, we think or claim that we are tough, smart, homogeneous, educated, and civilize, but our actions and deeds says otherwise. So, YES, in a sense I agree with my sister Nasra, but bro and sisters don’t u thing its about the time to do some reality checks, to correct our house mess, or should continue to blame others for our faults. REMEMBER: ALLAH SAID, THAT HE WOULD NEVER CHANGE A CONDITION OF A NATION UNLESS THEY FIRST CHANGE THEMSELVES. THEN SURELY THE HELP OF GOD WILL COME AND IT WILL COME QUICKLY. p.s. Make no mistake, we have so many hardworking, and tough bro and sisters who deserve to be mentioned here, we are not all that BAD. But most of us are not that good either. :mad: MAY ALLAH HAVE A MERCY UPON US, AND SAFE US FROM HIS ANGER AND PUNISHMENTS? AMIIN. RAMADAN KARIM TO YOU ALL.

Asalamu Aleikum, Brother Mujahid thanks for your interesting topic, but I disagree with you when it comes to dowry increase, I believe that now a days it getting lower day after day, because of that more and more people are understanding their religion affairs and the Islamic sharia. To share with you only one Hadith among many; our beloved Prophet Mohamed said that: the lower the dowry is the more blessed will be. In another word less the amount of dowry money, that’s marriage will becomes more blessed by Allah. Dowry is just a gift from the husband to his new lovely wife; it’s to equip her to become financial independent or to have some sort of pocket money if u will, or cash in hand in case she needed it. Two things which happens these days are very extreme, one is to higher the dowry amount and the other is to give the Holy Quran as a dowry instead of money, that doesn’t mean I am against the holy Qur’an but rather I consider myself to be a good Muslim, as I mentioned above it’s the Sunnah of our Prophet which recommended to lower the amount, at the same the dowry has to be MONEY and that’s exactly what our beloved Prophet Mohamed use to do when it comes marrying or giving away the hand of his daughters. To marry someone is to show love, care and compassionate, not to buy or sale like material or animals, it’s not a matter of business rather it’s a relationship which needs to be natured not to create animosity or hate. Sister’s think about this, if u over charge us, how then we the poor Somali guys will afford to arrange you a nice wedding party or to buy you a beautiful furniture. I will conclude my point with this beautiful English saying about Marriage:” to be in love is like having sweet dream, marriage is alarm clock". Ladies please don’t put us in dept. Keep it simple and lower the dowry to an acceptable amount where we (guys) can afford. Wasalamu Aleikum

Asalamu Aleikum: Dear Bro and sisters, Aduunyo nin joogoow maxaa aragti kuu laaban, I have seen Somali Gay, Prostitution, and Drug dealers etc. But I never expected this kind of news, never seen such a low person like this lady in holland who sold her religion, culture and ethnicity in a cheap price. She tried to be more civilize and secular but that costed her religion and freedom. Allah says "lan tardaa anka yahuudu wala nasaaraa hataa tatabia milatahum, that the jews and christians will never be satisfy until u fellow their foot steps (religion)." What Allah says is true when he said " whose who betray their religion will live in a (Khisy fil hayati dunyaa) humiliation in this world and (wa Adaabu fil Aakhira) Hell-fire after death. thats what is waiting for her, if she doesn't repent to Allah; most kind, most mercifull. We can see the promose of Allah already, look @ her, before few days she was free lady, and now she became like a hostage person, she can't even go to toilet by herself without a guard (security personal)to accompany her. Look what happened to salman Rushdie, where is he, where is the dutch gay who insulted Islam. Who killed him, a Muslim?!!! No but a fellow dutch, white and christian citizen. (wamaa ya'lamu junuuda rabika ilaa huwa) No one knows the soldiers of Allah except himself. it could be a Muslim or non-Muslim, human or angel.!! Lets wait and see!!! But lets not forget that this kind of news is warning signs and wake up calls for us, Somali Muslims, men and women, young and old. Lets go back to Allah, ask his forgiveness, lets remember that there will be a day of judgement for all of us, lets do the right things and deeds before its too late. No one knows if we are going to hell or heaven, being called by Mohamed or Amina doesn' mean one way ticket to heaven. May Allah forgive us all, and guide her if she deserve. Jabarti Aw-Osman :mad:

Asalamu Aleikum: Ciyaal flight 13 barta sheeko shukaansigan. Barigii hore Somalidu waxay lahay dhaqan cajiiba, kaasoo ay ka buuxday gabayo, heeso, hal xidhaale, iyo sheeko ciyaaleed. Hadaba aniga oo ka buuxa sheeko soomaali, ayaan jeclahay inaan dhalinta maanta la wadaago habkii ay u sheekaysan jireen ama isku shukaansan jireen hablihii iyo inamadii hore ee soomaaliyeed. Sheeko!!!! Inan soomaalia ayaa uyimid inan adhi la joogta inanka waxaa la odhan jiray muuse, inantana Miido, korkaa markii sheekadii isugu dubo dhacday ayuu muuse doonay inuu waydiiyo habka ay ku kulmi karaan caawa saqda dhexe isaga iyo miido wuxuuna yidhi: MURTI!!!! MIIDOOY XAGAAN KUU SOO MARAA? MUUSOOW MUSKAA ISOO JIBAAX MIIDOOY BILAA QODAXI IMUDAA? MUUSOW MADEEL(MINDI) DAABTAN HAYAA MIIDOOY BILAYN DHIIGAY QULQULYOO DHULKAA QABAY? MUUSOW XAREED MAYDHAAN HAYAA MIIDOOW BILAA QOYAYA OO QARQADHAY? MUUSOOW DAB-BAAN KUU SOO BALBALIN MIIDOY BILAA DABKU I DIIRIN WAA? MUUSOOW BOGAAN BOGA KUUGU QABAN HADAAN HOOYAA! HADAAN HOOYAA!!!! waxaan filayaa inaan garateen micnaha sheekada, la soco qormadayda danbe oo ku saabsan marka lala fikanayo hablaha soomaaliyeed iyo sirta (Technique)la isticmaali jiray. Awoowe Jabarti itself. Oslo, Norway. ------------------

lady Fatima: Sis, thanx for religious advices, we need a good sis. like u. But sis. let me ask u a FATWA about those u marry after pregnancy. (a baby before marriege).?!!!!! I Think a lot of Somalis were born this way, (are *****o?)so, lady Fatima what would u say about this? Please reply.

Peace be upon U all. Br.& Sis. Samawado, first of all thanx for U'r well selected topics. There is Somali saying (Meeshii il laga layahay, Ishaa la iska ridaa) according to that saying somalis are emitating others blindly. Secondly, most of the Somali youth that u seen in the west are sons and daughters of Nomads, they from small town in Somalia, therefore they havent seen big cities, and we call them (to xoor to xoor) that means from milk xoor to beer xoor, or U call them in the states flight 13. So, sis samawado dont worry they will learn, (Qofkaan waalidkiis rabayn wakhtigaa rabeeya) Knowledge comes through experience. let them learn. Dhaaf darbiga hasoo taabteene. Keep up the Good work. Your Br. Jabarti The Father of All.