^^ Ma u qaban karo waayo kama ihi Mod sectionkan. Teyteyleey xasuusteeda hadaan keeno xididadaa i xarkagaayo camal, meeshaas caadi ma ahan ani mugoo waa ka qeyliyey.

^^ We don't need Afmiinshaar, or Turfatoore, or Fajiiste, or Caadaqaate, or Kisinfaal, we need masuul Lillaahi ah, Laqdaba aan aqoon, dadka u wada simanyihiin, kan xooga leh iyo kan xooga yar u wada arko iney hal mida yihiin, kan dhulka yar iyo kan dhulka ballaadhan u wada arka iney simanyihiin, kan tirada badan iyo kan laga tirada badanyahey u arka iney simanyihiin, kulana dhaqma qof kasta cadaalad, intaas kaliya haddii la helo masuul leh ama yeelan karo waa guul u soo hoyatey ummada Soomaaliyeed.

Waxan waa wixii lagu geeraari jirey xilligii dagaalada sokeeye si dabka loo sii huriyo maatadana loo laayo, MMA will soon take down the video.

Raula, Teyteyleey Balcad baa la oran jirey, its ancient name. ,

I hate to see folks here celebrating IGAD ayaa sidan tiri and IGAD ayaa waxan soo saartey, who is IGAD, sovereignty is lost, the Somali government doesn't see its Sovereignty is being undermined, but sees only one region as an obstacle to its very existance. That is the sad part as one Soler puts it.

lol that is true,

Jacphar, waan yara khaldamey cammuu, kan waa Virus, magacaas isagaa isku bixiyey anu umaan bixin.

But Carafaat the report also stated this: Recommendation Meanwhile the mission calls upon the stakeholders in Kismayo to go to Mogadishu and dialogue with the Federal Government regarding the interim regional administration. What do you call of this. Good to see you are having good discussion with your elders,for the first time!! Carafaat, I see you replied, now I dismiss that you are having a good discussion with elders of SOL, but keep on yur cayaalnimo as usual Mr Virus. Just for your info, I support no one, not even the government of Somalia, now go jump over the bridge.

Maadeey, honestly, even though oon ku dhashey Teyteyleey before it was named Balcad, I can't remmber that much, da' baa i heysa sxb, maba xasuusto sababtii looga badaley Teyteyleey. Norf, none but Peru is some place oon booqan doono, waayo waxaa ku yaalo dhul markaad joogto neefta kugu dhageyso, like you don't feel any oxygen around, like a gravity camal, and it is a flat region somewhere in Peru, meeshaas ayaan u oomanahey inaan tago oon dareemo weightlessness and zero gravity.

Carafaat, what Zack asked you is to elaborate the conclusion you made on your first post on this thread, that is all, can you go back to him and asnwer his question, for the first time, try to have a reasonable debate with grown up people, please!!

c) AMISOM • The Ambassadorial team was briefed by AMISOM Force Commander on the political and security situation in the country. With regard to Juba regions, AMISOM view is to implement the five principles of the communiqué. The force commander informed the team that in the initial stages there was a technical communication problem between the force headquarters and AMISOM sector II that has since been resolved. • The force commander informed the team that the challenge has been the fact that each troop contributing country (TCC) signed separate MOU with the African Union (AU). • AMISOM sector II Commander briefed the delegation on the security situation and the role the sector has been playing in ensuring peace and security in the region. • He stated that Alshabab’s strength and capability has been significantly diminished. He however added that probing attacks, ambushes and IEDs are still continuing. • He blamed the resurgence of insecurity particularly in Kismayo as a result of the political tension. d) Somalia National Army/ Ras Kiamboni Brigade The delegation held a session with Somalia National Army(SNA) and Ras Kiamboni Brigade (RKB) commanders who informed the delegation on their continued efforts against fighting Alshabab and expressed their logistical and financial problems. IV. Findings and recommendations Based on the summit communiqué of 3rd May 2013 and particularly on the five principles enumerated there in, the Ambassadorial team conducted its fact finding and confidence building mission, made observations and came up with the following recommendations: 1. Whether or not the process is being done in the spirit of the provisional constitution of the Federal Government of Somalia: o The Federal Government and various stakeholders in Kismayo are in agreement on the need to follow the provisional constitution in the establishment of the regional administration; o However the Ambassadorial team observed that there is a difference in interpretation of the provisional constitution between the Federal Government and various stakeholders in Kismayo. Recommendations o The Federal Government and Parliament of Somalia to expedite enactment of the necessary laws that govern the establishment of regional administration. 2. Whether or not it is all inclusive: o The mission found the inclusivity of the Kismayo process contestable, especially among the minority. Recommendation o Recognizing the fragility of the situation in Kismayo, the Federal Government should timely convene and lead reconciliation conference with support of IGAD while consulting key Stakeholders in Kismayo. Meanwhile the mission calls upon the stakeholders in Kismayo to go to Mogadishu and dialogue with the Federal Government regarding the interim regional administration. 3. Whether or not the process is led by the Federal Government of Somalia: o The Ambassadorial team has observed that the process was not a government led process; o In principle all have agreed that the government needs to take leadership of the process; o The Federal government and the stakeholders in Kismayo however have expressed strong reasons and explanations as to why the process was not led by the government. Recommendation o The IGAD Ambassadorial team proposes that the Federal Government of Somalia takes the lead role in the formation of regional administrations including Juba regions. o Recognizing the fragility of the situation in Kismayo, the Federal Government should timely convene and lead reconciliation conference with support of IGAD while consulting key Stakeholders in Kismayo. Meanwhile the mission calls upon the stakeholders in Kismayo to go to Mogadishu and dialogue with the Federal Government regarding the interim regional administration. 3. Whether or not the process is led by the Federal Government of Somalia: o The Ambassadorial team has observed that the process was not a government led process; o In principle all have agreed that the government needs to take leadership of the process; o The Federal government and the stakeholders in Kismayo however have expressed strong reasons and explanations as to why the process was not led by the government. Recommendation o The IGAD Ambassadorial team proposes that the Federal Government of Somalia takes the lead role in the formation of regional administrations including Juba regions. 4. Whether or not IGAD is playing a supportive role: o The Ambassadorial team has observed that the role of IGAD is accepted by all stakeholders; o Regarding the Juba regions process, IGAD facilitation has been absent since February ; o However during this period the council and the summit have remained engaged in the stabilization of Somalia. Recommendations o Noting that the Federal Government and other actors have expressed willingness in IGAD role to facilitate the process, IGAD and the Federal Government should be more proactive. In this regard, IGAD to expedite support to the Federal Government in its priorities including the formation of regional Administration; o Calling on IGAD secretariat to provide technical support to the federal government as and when requested; o IGAD member countries provide the Federal Government with experience and technical assistance on federalism, devolution and decentralization as and when requested by the Federal Government. 5. Whether or not the process is accomplished in such a way that it helps the joint effort to combat Alshabab: o The team has observed that this process indeed was a tool resulting in liberation of many areas of Juba regions; o However the last stage of the Juba regions process that ended with an election has resulted in tension; o The team observed that the high political tension in Kisimayo is not only threatening force cohesion and increasing insecurity but also impairing the operational tempo of the fight against Alshabab. Recommendations o Calls upon the Federal Government of Somalia to provide immediate security and logistical support to the regions; o Calls upon the Federal government of Somalia to immediately integrate the various militia forces into a unified national command of Somali National Army and logistically provide force sustainability; o The AMISOM Sector II should be provided with a political support unit to help in dealing with the political aspect of the disputes in Kismayo and to facilitate cooperation and coordination between the sector and the Federal Government.

I pasted that document here, I did not read it yet, and can't make any conclusion of it, will do it later: REPORT OF THE IGAD CONFIDENCE BUILDING MISSION TO MOGADISHU AND KISMAYO 16-19 MAY 2013 I. Preamble Following the decision by the 21st Extraordinary Summit of the Heads of State and Government of IGAD as per paragraph 10 of the communiqué released on the 3rd May in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia, the Executive Secretary, Amb. Eng Mahboub Maalim led a delegation composed of Ambassadors of member states to Mogadishu and Kismayo to conduct a confidence building mission and collect views from various stakeholders on Juba regions state formation. Premise of the mission: • The communiqué of IGAD 21st Extraordinary Summit of Head of States and Governments held in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia on the 3rd May 2013. The following paragraphs formed the basis of the mission: o Paragraph 4: Noted with appreciation the increased engagement, convergence of ideas and solidarity among IGAD member states in support of Somalia. In this regard, noted with appreciation the meeting between H.E. Uhuru Kenyatta, the President of Kenya, and H.E. Hassan Sheikh Mohamud, President of the Federal Republic of Somalia of April 27th 2013 in Mombasa, Kenya and welcomed the joint statement of understanding which elaborates principles of engagement. In this regard, urged for its full implementation. I. Preamble Following the decision by the 21st Extraordinary Summit of the Heads of State and Government of IGAD as per paragraph 10 of the communiqué released on the 3rd May in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia, the Executive Secretary, Amb. Eng Mahboub Maalim led a delegation composed of Ambassadors of member states to Mogadishu and Kismayo to conduct a confidence building mission and collect views from various stakeholders on Juba regions state formation. Premise of the mission: • The communiqué of IGAD 21st Extraordinary Summit of Head of States and Governments held in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia on the 3rd May 2013. The following paragraphs formed the basis of the mission: o Paragraph 4: Noted with appreciation the increased engagement, convergence of ideas and solidarity among IGAD member states in support of Somalia. In this regard, noted with appreciation the meeting between H.E. Uhuru Kenyatta, the President of Kenya, and H.E. Hassan Sheikh Mohamud, President of the Federal Republic of Somalia of April 27th 2013 in Mombasa, Kenya and welcomed the joint statement of understanding which elaborates principles of engagement. In this regard, urged for its full implementation. o Paragraph 6: Noted with appreciation and welcomed the Somali Federal government’s document titled National Stabilization Plan and reiterated the need for all processes particularly the ongoing efforts towards setting up Somali regional administration and stabilization efforts, to be anchored on the following principles: - • Leadership of the government of the Federal Republic of Somalia in the process; • Respect of the provisional constitution of the Federal Republic of Somalia; • All inclusive consultative process with the peoples of Somalia; • supportive role of IGAD based on the priorities of the Somali government; and • Fighting the Al Shabab as the primary focus of the Somali Federal government; AMISOM; regional and international partners; And further requested the Somali federal government to align the document with the aforementioned agreed five principles. o Paragraph 10: Decided to conduct a confidence - building mission to Kismayu led by the IGAD Executive Secretary and composed of representatives of the federal government of Somalia and one senior delegate from each member state of IGAD with the aim of assessing the situation and submitting a report to the IGAD summit to be held on the sidelines of the AU summit in May 2013. o Paragraph 6: Noted with appreciation and welcomed the Somali Federal government’s document titled National Stabilization Plan and reiterated the need for all processes particularly the ongoing efforts towards setting up Somali regional administration and stabilization efforts, to be anchored on the following principles: - • Leadership of the government of the Federal Republic of Somalia in the process; • Respect of the provisional constitution of the Federal Republic of Somalia; • All inclusive consultative process with the peoples of Somalia; • supportive role of IGAD based on the priorities of the Somali government; and • Fighting the Al Shabab as the primary focus of the Somali Federal government; AMISOM; regional and international partners; And further requested the Somali federal government to align the document with the aforementioned agreed five principles. o Paragraph 10: Decided to conduct a confidence - building mission to Kismayu led by the IGAD Executive Secretary and composed of representatives of the federal government of Somalia and one senior delegate from each member state of IGAD with the aim of assessing the situation and submitting a report to the IGAD summit to be held on the sidelines of the AU summit in May 2013. II. Methodology The Ambassadorial team developed terms of reference based on the five principles in the communiqué and held discussions with the Federal Government and stakeholders in Mogadishu and Kismayo: • Mogadishu (16th-17th May) 1. H.E President Hassan Sheikh Mohamud 2. Hon Speaker Mohamed Sheikh Osman (JAWARI) 3. H.E Prime Minister Mr Abdi Farah Shirdon (SAAID) 4. Ministers of Interior and National Security as well as Justice and Federal Constitution 5. Members of Federal Parliament representing various clans including ******, *******, Digil and Mirifle, *** and the Fifth Clan 6. Clan elders and Civil Society 7. AMISOM • Kisimayo (18th -19th May) 1. AMISOM Sector II 2. Ahmed Mohamed Islam (Madobe), 3. Barre Hiirale, Abdiballe Defale, Omar Burale, Iftin Hassan 4. The technical committee and Signatories to secession of hostilities 5. Clan elders, Civil society and Business Community 6. Delegation of the Federal Government in Kismayo 7. Commander of Somali National Army and Ras Kiamboni Brigade (RKB) The Ambassadorial team developed terms of reference based on the five principles in the communiqué and held discussions with the Federal Government and stakeholders in Mogadishu and Kismayo: • Mogadishu (16th-17th May) 1. H.E President Hassan Sheikh Mohamud 2. Hon Speaker Mohamed Sheikh Osman (JAWARI) 3. H.E Prime Minister Mr Abdi Farah Shirdon (SAAID) 4. Ministers of Interior and National Security as well as Justice and Federal Constitution 5. Members of Federal Parliament representing various clans including ******, *******, Digil and Mirifle, *** and the Fifth Clan 6. Clan elders and Civil Society 7. AMISOM • Kisimayo (18th -19th May) 1. AMISOM Sector II 2. Ahmed Mohamed Islam (Madobe), 3. Barre Hiirale, Abdiballe Defale, Omar Burale, Iftin Hassan 4. The technical committee and Signatories to secession of hostilities 5. Clan elders, Civil society and Business Community 6. Delegation of the Federal Government in Kismayo 7. Commander of Somali National Army and Ras Kiamboni Brigade (RKB) III. Positions on the Issues a) The Federal Government • The Federal Government and its Leadership including H.E. President, H.E. Speaker, H.E. Prime Minister, H.E. Ministers of Interior/National Security and Justice emphasized the government position as follows: i. The process in Kismayo is not done in the spirit of the constitution ii. The lead role of the Federal Government is missing iii. The inclusiveness of the process is questionable iv. The process does not help the joint efforts to fight Alshabab v. Demanded IGAD to support the Somali Federal Government’s efforts to uphold the constitution vi. Underlined the need for dialogue and reconciliation as way out of the impasse • Some members of the Federal Parliament from the region supported the process, while other MPs opposed the process in Kismayo. b) The Kismayo Actors • Ahmed Madobe and his team, as well as the signatories, technical committee argued that the process: i. Is in line with the Federal Provisional Constitution, III. Positions on the Issues a) The Federal Government • The Federal Government and its Leadership including H.E. President, H.E. Speaker, H.E. Prime Minister, H.E. Ministers of Interior/National Security and Justice emphasized the government position as follows: i. The process in Kismayo is not done in the spirit of the constitution ii. The lead role of the Federal Government is missing iii. The inclusiveness of the process is questionable iv. The process does not help the joint efforts to fight Alshabab v. Demanded IGAD to support the Somali Federal Government’s efforts to uphold the constitution vi. Underlined the need for dialogue and reconciliation as way out of the impasse • Some members of the Federal Parliament from the region supported the process, while other MPs opposed the process in Kismayo. b) The Kismayo Actors • Ahmed Madobe and his team, as well as the signatories, technical committee argued that the process: i. Is in line with the Federal Provisional Constitution, ii. Is inclusive iii. Has significantly contributed in the fight against Alshabab and liberated many areas in Juba regions iv. Appreciate continued IGAD role v. Underlined the need for dialogue and reconciliation as way out of the impasse • Other Stakeholders in Kismayo believe that: i. The process is not done in the spirit of the constitution ii. The lead role of the Federal Government is missing iii. The inclusiveness of the process is questionable iv. The process does not help the joint efforts to fight Alshabab v. Demanded IGAD to support the Somali Federal Government’s efforts to uphold the constitution vi. Underlined the need for dialogue and reconciliation as way out of the impasse

Apo lool Alaabtan Teyteyleey ayaa iigu dambeysay.

Oo Jubbaland ma illaa Addis Ababa ayaaba looga shirayaa oo la isla gaadhey, illeen anagaa wax aragney, oo Puntland iyo Somaliland waligoodba sidan oo kale IGAD ugama aysan mashquulin sida ay Jubbaland IGAD ugu mashquulsantahey, see wax u jiraan, dakad iyo airport hadey Kismaayo leedahay oo important ka dhigayo, puntland iyo Somaliland together waxey leeyihiin dakado iyo airports kor u dhaafaya 15 airport together, maxey dowlada iyo IGAD uga hadli la'yihiin, this is looking fom entirely different angle!!

Jacphar, even Gabbal said adeer Barre was there to disrubt and take away the attention of the election in Jubbaland with his marines overnight in Kismaayo, which according to Gabbal, the mission was success, and done, so another word, he was only a president for only one day, the 15th of May, kadib lama maqal, same for Madoobe, was a president for one day only, the 15th of May, kadib lama maqal, whoever re-appears first on the media is the true elected president of Qarqarland

Maanta eey baa i qaniiney, in fact, eey ma aheyn ee wuxuu ahaa eey iyo bisad la isku fashaqey, foolxum aabaheed, waxaasaa maanta lugta iga goostey anoo sandwich ku cunayo geed korkiis.

We haven't seen the IGAD agreement yet, Gabbal is just doing what AT&T was doing in the other thread, speculation. Recognizing the will of SFG deosn't mean anything to those 18 presidents in Jubbaland!

Did IGAD endorsed the elected President Barre of Jubbaland or they advised him to wait little bit until SFG comes in full force! Ps: IGAD has few countries that include Kenya, do you support Kenya this time with their support of SFG, when IGAD supports something it means member countries are in full agreement.

Xamaasad, caadifad, xasadnimo iyo been abuur are the main features of politics on SOL

Tallaabo, every allegation made need to have support, adigu ummad dhan ayaad eed dusha ka saartey, don't you know the first peoplle to condemn the bheading yesterday were Muslim organizations/communities in the UK, and in return what did they achived, several mosques were atacked as I reported on that thread, you see, whether Musims condemn the attacks or not will not make a difference for the average red-neck.

^^ I can actually hand over my Irish passport ine exchange for Somaliland passport, tell our friend Tallaabo, it doesn't mean anything having a European passport. Tallaabo, support your points with bullet points,sxb, at least!

Tallaabo, your views are too extremist,

The great Xaaji Xeyraan is actually making more sense as he understands Habashi mentality.

^^What is your point, if you want to study the science of Hadith in order to understand what is Mudallas, Mursal, Munqadic, Marfuuc, Mawquuf, Matn, Ziyaadatu Thiqa etc, then go for it, and stop this hit and run you are doing so often as soon as you see something concerns Islam is posted, what have contributed since you joined this forum, nothing other than bad mouthing Islam and prophet Mohamed, all your posts are well marked and attest to that. You need to find another hobby, if you are so well obssessed with this religion, who told you to abandon it at first place and become gaal weynaadey oo murtad ah, orod camal kale yeelo diinta aad ka baxdey laguma soo meereysto.

Saalax, imika ma maalin bey dhankiina ka taheyna.