gooni;792792 wrote: odaygaas libaaxa nool sanka ka taabtay wuu la hadlay barbaarta odoyaasha kale ee soomaaliya ka yimid halasoo dhaweeyo si qalbi furan Meesha miyaa la is shuushaaminayaa mise waa la doodayaa

Abwaan;792673 wrote: All I can tell you is that 20 years have passed since 1990. You need to forgive and forget. Soomaali godob badan bay kala gashay wakhti hore, dhexe iyo dambeba dad badan baana samray ee adiguna cuqdadda iska saar! lol you of all people is accusing some one with Cuqdad? who is constly against one region in Somalia? who's constly exagerating whatever little thing happens in one region in Somalia? who's speculating every unsubtantiated news to foulmouth certain regions and its leaders? Who's negative everything and anything about Puntland, for all its shortcomings Puntland is full of positive things you could give credit for. But you choose to be in the negative in every thread about that region. So tell me who's stuck in 1990? You or me? You can go back to all my posts and find any post I show any cuqdad tendency? its a challenge to you! If some one is stuck in 1990 in this forum is you and if you can prove otherwise,please do so.

Mashallah. Inshallah things will even get better.

Abwaan;792623 wrote: Nothing more than expected of you here. Generalization and Somalis did this and that. Remember there was a meeting in Garowe. Farole wanted to get things his way and when that did nit happen. This was his actions....nothing more than qaraar. Haddii brain jiro pirate Faroole ma daba oroddeen qabiil dartiis ee xor baad ka ahaan lahayd....Xoolaha ayaa inay hoggaansamaan lagu ogaa, not dadka! There you go whatever Faroole wanted or nor is not the point, but I don't expect you to comprehend anything after all you are blinded by clan. You are some one who dont know what you are against or what he's stands for, so debating with you is debating with jeleousy stricken woman, who does not know what she's talking about.

Waryaa Carafaat adiga maad wax ka qabatid Gaalkacyo soo nin Somaliyed ma tihid?

" maalin dhawayd oo aanu bariga u baxnay waxaan maray meel la yidhaahod Shalcaw oo Berbera woxogaa u jirta waxaananu marnay dhinacan Xeebta oo Xiis iyo Maydh ayaa xagan bariga ka soo xiga waana meesha ay ka yimaadeen Madaxwaynaheena iyo Wasiiradii Maaliyada ee ugu badnaa ee Somaliland, waayo Wasiiradeena Maaliyadu marka laga soo bilaabo wakhtigii Marxuum Cigaal (AHN) waxa ay u badnaayeen goboladaas bari, hadana waxaan ka naxay Lacagta ka socotay Shalcaw oo ahayd tii C/laahi Yuusuf, oo Xiis iyo Maydh ayaan tagay oo ay lacagtii C/laahi Yuusuf ka socoto oo Ceerigaabo ayaan tagay lacagtii C/laahi Yuusuf ayaana ka socota. Dhamaan arimahaas oo dhani waa Fadeexad cad oo aynu huursanayno, anigu ma lihi dawladan ayaa khaladka leh ee waxaan leeyahay dhamaan dawladihii dalka soo maray oo dhan waa Fadeexad ay wada jir u wada leeyihiin ilaa taayadii Ina Rayaale, markaa waxaan u arkaa inay tahay Fool xumo wayn iyo ceeb wayn oo Somaliland saaran" C/laahi yusuf kaan uu ku waa shayna maxay tahay?

There is a startling contrast between the productive, can-do attitude of the Somali business community, and the sometimes obstructive, counter-productive approach of the politicians.

Somalia: Far from a failed state? With leaders from more than 50 countries and international organisations due to gather this week for the London Conference on Somalia, BBC Africa analyst and Somalia specialist Mary Harper argues that Somalia's business leaders offer reasons to hope for the war-torn country's future. UK Prime Minister David Cameron has managed to convince some of the world's most powerful people, including UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon and US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, to come to London because Somalia is seen as the world's most comprehensively failed state, representing a threat to itself, the Horn of Africa region and the wider world. Continue reading the main story “Start Quote The conference will focus on three issues that have already had far-reaching and devastating consequences: Piracy, terrorism and famine. But away from the headlines and the stereotypical media images of skeletal children, skinny pirates in tiny skiffs, and gun-wielding Islamist insurgents, their heads wrapped in black and white scarves, there is another side to the Somali story that is positive, enterprising and hopeful. Remarkable things are happening which could serve as models for a new start. It may come as a surprise that, despite coming top of the world's Failed State Index for the past four years in a row, Somalia ranks in the top 50% of African countries on several key development indicators. A study by the US-based Independent Institute found that Somalia came near the bottom on only three out of 13 indicators: Infant mortality; access to improved water resources and immunisation rates. It came in the top 50% in crucial indicators like child malnutrition and life expectancy, although this may have changed since last year's famine. "Far from chaos and economic collapse, we found that Somalia is generally doing better than when it had a state," said the institute. "Urban businessmen, international corporations, and rural pastoralists have all functioned in a stateless Somalia, achieving standards of living for the country that are equal or superior to many other African nations." 'Freewheeling capitalism' Of course many people in Somalia have suffered horribly during the past 20 years of state collapse, but some sectors of the economy, both traditional and modern, are positively booming. Continue reading the main story Phone subscribers (per 100 inhabitants) Country 2000 2009 Somalia 1.4 8.1 Eritrea 0.8* 3.7 Ethiopia 0.4 6.0 Nigeria 0.5 49.1 *mainline phone data only Source: UN data It may come as another surprise that two northern Somali ports account for 95% of all goat and 52% of all sheep exports for the entire East African region. According to the London-based Chatham House think-tank, the export of livestock through these ports, and the nearby port of Djibouti, represents what "is said to be the largest movement of live animal - 'on the hoof' - trade anywhere in the world". I recently visited one of these ports, Berbera, in the self-declared Republic of Somaliland, where port manager Ali Xoorxoor told me: "I expect livestock exports from the port to increase dramatically from three million head of livestock in 2011 to 4.5 million in 2012. "This is because of healthy demand from the Gulf, especially Saudi Arabia, and new markets emerging in Egypt, Syria and Oman. The Egyptians are especially fond of our camels, mainly for meat." The livestock trade has exploded since Somalia's government imploded in 1991. One trader told me exports from the northern ports alone is worth more than $2bn (£1.3bn) a year; this does not appear to be an exaggeration, when one considers that just one sheep is worth at least $30 and a camel several hundred. Academic Peter Little found what he described as a "spectacular surge" in cross-border cattle trade from Somalia to Kenya, where cattle sales in the Kenyan town of Garissa, near the border with Somalia, grew by an "astounding" 600% in the years following the collapse of central authority. In his book, Somalia: Economy without State, Mr Little describes how "a freewheeling, stateless capitalism" has flourished in the country. A boutique in Hargeisa, Somaliland selling handbags, lingerie and fashion clothing A trend-setting boutique in Hargeisa is one of several innovative businesses On their way to market, Somali nomads drive their livestock through hundreds of kilometres of harsh, hostile terrain, much of it occupied by militias including the Islamist group, al-Shabab. These nomads know how to negotiate their way through enemy territory; perhaps they have a thing or two to teach Somali politicians and international agencies struggling to get aid to those who need it most. Cold Coca-Cola Continue reading the main story “Start Quote The khat network reaches every corner of Somalia every day of the year and doesn't stop for wars, drought, floods, epidemics, Friday prayers, Ramadan - anything really” Nuradin Dirie Somali analyst Another traditional area of the Somali economy which has thrived in a stateless society, and could serve as a useful model, is the khat trade, worth hundreds of millions of dollars a year. This narcotic leaf, grown in Kenya and Ethiopia, is delivered fresh, with tremendous efficiency, to remote parts of Somalia, including those affected by drought and famine. Special "khat planes", pick-up trucks and people on foot ensure khat gets to market before noon, the day after it is picked. Otherwise, the khat-chewers will not buy it. The local authorities and international aid agencies could learn something from those in the khat business about how to deliver supplies, perhaps of food, medicine and other essential items, to difficult and dangerous areas. As Somali analyst Nuradin Dirie says: "The khat network reaches every corner of Somalia every day of the year and doesn't stop for wars, drought, floods, epidemics, Friday prayers, Ramadan - anything really. "I suggested to the UN that it could make use of khat networks to vaccinate children as this would create an opportunity for 100% vaccination coverages. Khat seller in Somaliland (Photo taken by BBC's Jacques Sweeney) Khat users insist on having fresh leaves to chew - so it must be delivered soon after harvesting "Of course I did not succeed," he says. "I have travelled quite a lot inside Somalia. To little villages and big towns, to far away rural areas and to remote coastal outposts. "Wherever I go, I always manage to get a cold Coca-Cola. If they can store cool Coca-Cola, there is a strong possibility they can handle vaccinations too." Other more modern sectors of the economy are also thriving. Somalia has one of the cheapest, most efficient mobile phone networks in Africa. It is home to Dahabshiil, one of the largest money transfer companies on the continent, which together with other remittance outfits, delivers some $2bn worth of remittances to Somali territories a year, according to the UN. Like the khat traders, remittance companies deliver money to remote and treacherous places all over Somalia. Can-do attitude Some humanitarian groups use these companies to deliver cash-for-food and other forms of assistance; perhaps more use could be made of these pre-existing remittance networks, which link Somalis together, wherever they are in the world, connecting them in a matter of minutes. Camels on the way to market in Somaliland Many Somali camels are exported to Egypt, where they are highly prized There is a startling contrast between the productive, can-do attitude of the Somali business community, and the sometimes obstructive, counter-productive approach of the politicians. Members of the Somali diaspora, and those who stayed behind during the long years of conflict, are doing daring, imaginative and positive things. A group of British-educated brothers from the self-declared republic of Somaliland has built a Coca-Cola bottling plant amongst the sand, anthills and cacti, creating a surreal environment of green lawns, gleaming white walls, glossy red paint, and polished factory floors. A pioneering young woman has recently set up an art gallery in Hargeisa. map Another has opened up a boutique, where smartly dressed attendants sell shoes, handbags, brightly coloured lingerie, and men's and women's clothes in the very latest Somali fashion. A man in Mogadishu runs a Billiards and Snooker Federation. There are also political models and inspirations on offer within the Somali territories. The most striking is Somaliland, which broke away from Somalia in 1991, and has built itself up from war-torn rubble into probably the most democratic polity in the Horn of Africa. It has done this on its own, from the bottom-up, combining the old with the new, to create a political system that gives authority to clan elders as well as those elected by the public. The Somali business community and places like Somaliland have "worked" because they have married the best of the traditional and the modern. Much that has "failed" in Somalia is a result of combining the "bad", divisive things about the traditional clan system with dangerous modern elements, especially weapons. It might be more productive for anyone interested in helping Somalia back onto its feet, including those at the London Conference, to deal with and learn from the business community instead of the politicians. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-17080664

Some parts of the interview is on this artcle on the BBC website http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-17120912

The admins need to reign on their their respective freelance pirate miltias. until then the security forces will struggle to keep the peace. I believe the elders should be involved to disarm on these miltias.

Somalia, no need to use brain when you could be without

Recovering-Romantics;792417 wrote: It seems Ethiopia is still playing the spoiler's role. A much wiser move would have been to go after Kismayo and dismantling the support infrastructure of the extreme Arabists within Al Shabab like Godane and his foreign fighters while politically pressuring the Baydabo group led by Abu Mansur and Aweys to the negotiating table. This would have gone a very long way in curtailing the spread of radical ideology in Somalia and disrupting the terrorist infrastructure that oppresses the Somali people. With Baydabo gone, Abu Mansur and his group will become more beholden to Godane and the Arabists and the chances of bringing this bloody war to a more positive conclusion ever more elusive. Well said there. Gven Abu mansur was the only sane person in Alshabab leadership, this will further harden his stance.

Che -Guevara;792442 wrote: lot of speculations Somalis and their conspiracy thoeries. Easy to blame someone, but very hard to prove a guilt.

Abwaan;791489 wrote: For the last time....I have nothing against cid gaar ah....balse I am telling you walow ciddayda, taada iyo mid kale in xaqdarro loogu cammiro ma ogoli....Adiga Soomaalinnimadii xaggee kaa martay aan kaftan hagar ku jirto kugu soo tuuree? Markii Soomaali wanaag gaarto ayaa ciduhuna guuleysan doonaane! Maxaa un keliya doodda naga tusay hal dhinac iyo yaan la dhibsan, arrintan federaalka dan baa ku jirta un baan maqlaa...."Sacabka iyo dheesha haddii aan wax ku jirin maxaa habeenkii lee loo tumaa"? Ma maqashay oraahdaas? Aan ka baxee dooddaydu waa Caddahay sida: Soomaaliya dagaallo ayaa meelo ka socda, nabadgeliyo xumo ayaa jirta, dad badan ayaa ka barakacay goobihii ay degganaayeen, qabiillo ayaa hubaysan, kuwo ayaa ka hub-yar amase aanba hubaysnayn, degaanno ayaa la kala haystaa, hadda....Waddammo ayaa faragelin toos ah ku haya dalka, Al-qaaciida iyo Shabaab oo is biirsaday ayaa dhul badan haysta, Dowlad taag-daran baa ka jirta oo tayadeeduna aad u liidato, siyaasiyiin aan xishoon, dembilayaal qaar yihiin, aan qaar aqoon lahayn baa horboodaya, For all those reasons Federal hadda Soomaaliya kama shaqaynayo. ok. adi iyo ilaahaa. somalinimose anigu ma diidani. wax aan ka jeclahaan lahaa anagoo dawlad ah oo xoog badan saan ahaan jirnay ma leh.

^Waa kaas. Kaas oo kale cuqdadaysan baa laalaab kuu soo maraya. Cidaydu waa Soomaali boowe, ha khaldamin

Abwaan;791475 wrote: Waxba kuuma qabo anigu, I did not call you names....just meel xun baan taabtay sidaan u arko like many aan la dooday over here b4....Let us to disagree! Walaahai meel aad taabatid inaysin jirin. way ba fiicnaan lahayd wax aad aaminsantahy inaan ogaado. Laakiin doodaada meel ay usocota baan garan waayey, waxaa uun kaa muuqata inaadan aaminaad ku qabin reer buntlayn laakiin meesha aad ka imaanayso ilaa hada ma fahmin. Dhib ma leh, mar uun baan fahmi doona ee ha u bixin

^LOL salaan sare.

Abwaan;791463 wrote: Wixii jirran Ilaah ha caafiyo....Jirrada ayaananba isku si u aqoon...Name calling again? That will not derail me from the path ah inaan caddaaladda ka hadlo......sheekada maalayacniga haddii ay kuu socon weysey waad is xanaajineysaa miyaa? cid carruur loo koriyo meeshaan ma jirto, fikirkaaga khasab ma ahan in lagula qabo ama hal hees la wada qaado...ee haddii aad isbuufinayso Hakugu taagnaato...! Cadlaad? cadaalad eey xaal qaado. xanaaq ma jiro laakiin si aan kuula doodo baan garan wayey. Ilaahay xaqa hanawada tus. Cafis iyo misaamax boowe.

NASSIR;791458 wrote: Samafal, Boosaaso waxey kamid tahey degaanada reer Maakhir hadaad dhulka iyo dadka dega kala taqaan. Tan labaad, su'aasha ah maxaad u dhisi weydeen Badhan iyo Dhahar, waxaan leeyahey labdaba hor'umar weyn baa ka muuqda. (Aqri Badhan report @ Wiki) dadkeedaana u horseeday ee maahan mid ka yimid meel kale. Dhibaatada ugu weyn ee gobolka Sanaag waa kaabayaasha dhaqaale sida laamiyada, dekedaha iyo airportyada in kastoo dekedo yar oo wax lagala soo dego jiraan. Iyo productive land oo aanan heysan system wanaagsan. Lama dhiso karo kaabayaasha dhaqaale hadii laba maamul ku hardamayaan degaanka iyagoo strategy qaas ah isticmaalaya taasoo ah Qayaano, hanjabaad, dagaal, been abuurid, isku dirid beelaha wada dhashey iyo waxyaalo kale. Tusaale waxaa u ah mashruucii dekeda laasqoray. Lacag ay dowlada federaalka ugu deeqday mashruucaasi waxaa si toos ah u lunsadey madaxweynahii hore ee PL. Marka xalku waxay ila muuqataa in wax laysu ogolaado oo aanan reer reerkale degaankiisa sheegan. Waad ku mahadsantahay sida wacan uu aad uga jawaabtay. Laakiin wax halkaa loogu talagalay baa la cunay waa hadal wayn, maxaa cadayna oo haysaa. Soomalidu waxuun baa la iska eedayaa waxa ku tiritayn ah iyo waxa run ah lama kala yaqaan

Taleexi;791441 wrote: Samafal: Dhanna PL buu u xaglinayaa, dhanna mubaadin danta Soomaalidu isugu mid u tahay buu iska dhigayaa. Saaxiib, horta wixii khayraad ah ee wadanka ku jira gobolkuu doono ha ahaadee Soomaali baa iska leh ka fikir ahaan. Waxa sed bursi ah ee ka dhacaya Xamar ha ahaato deeqaha waxbarasho iyo waxa la midka ah dad aan damiir lahayn baa sameeyey haddiise dad xil kas ah bahasha gacanta loo gelin lahaa sheekadu si xariir ah bay ku dhamaan lahayd. Midda kale, hadduu reer Sanaag dhisto Bossaso lagama xigo oo waa wadankoodii. Ma waxaad naga dhaadhicinaysaa reer Maakhir wixii magacooda lagu guranayey 20-kii sano ee ugu danbeeyey lagama hagran. Reer Khaatumo waa ka tashadeen aayahooda, waxayna walaalahooda Soomaaliyeed ee reer PL ka rajeynayaan inay si deris wanaag kula noolaadaan, nabadgelyada iyo wixii horumar ahna iska kaashadaan. Ta kale waa in madaxda PL ka waantowdaa sheegashada Khaatumo sababta oo ah game-kii waa laysku fahmay - you can fool some people sometimes but you can't fool all the people all the time . Ugu danbayn Abwaan has a point, let every region comes to the table representing its constituents alone. Iga gunid once Khaatumo institutions are built and it becomes a viable admin which is both responsible and accountable then merging with Maakhir will be an option. A good option I may say. war anigu meeshaan rabo aan u xagliyee, adigu ii sheeg lacagta lagaa u canay meesha lagu maalgashtay? Khatumana cid tafta haysata majirta inshallah. hortiin nabad gadashiin nabad. Hadalkale uun yaan maqal oo waa la is khilaafay

Abwaan nin jiran baad tahay Allah ha ku daweeyo. Anigu aan kala faaiidasano oo wax is tusno bay iga ahayde hadba meelbaad u boodaysaan waxaad rabto iyo waxa aad ka soo horjeedo adiga xataa inaad taqaanid u malaynayo. Halkaa inagu ekeeh Su,aasha aan Nassir waydiiyey waxaan kawado iyo meesha aad u leexinaysid isma laha qofkasta oo aqriyana oo maskax fiyoow waa ujeedaa inaanan lahayn maxay udhisteen. Waxaan kawadaa hadii idinkiiba aydan maalgashanayn meesha aad kasoo jeedaan sideebaa dawlad uga sugaysaan inay idiin maalgalin. Aniga dawlada Puntland baan ogahay magaalo aan cabanayn iyo tuulo waanala dayacay lahayn majirto.

NASSIR;791399 wrote: Abwaan hadalkiisa waa run and I agree. Hadaanan loo dhameyn in reer walba deegaankiisa maamulo dee nabad warkeeda daa. Dhibaatada ka jirta PL iyo SL waxa weeye reer baa waxwalba isku fuuqsadey kadibna ogoleyn in cid kale xor u noqoto degaankeeda iyo aayahooda weliba been laga faafinayo iyo isku *** dhexdooda ah. Ama aan wada cabno caanaha Maandeeq taasoo ah hor'umarinta kaabaha dhaqaale ee deegaan walba iyo maamul hoosaad loo wada dhan yahey. Maxaa la isku fuuqsaday, bal ii sheeg aan ku dhagaystee, xagee dawlad laamiyo dhaadheer ka dhistay, xageebayso dayacday. Anigu waxaan taageersanahay in Sool iyo Sanaag ay dawlad gobeleed noqotaan, ilaa iyo hada wax hadal haye reer Makhir iyo SSC ha is ku darsadaan ma arko? maxaa dhacay? Tan kale cidaan iyo gobol aan kala qaysami karin ma jiro. hadhoow waxaa dhici doonta in Dahar iyo Badhan kala goostaan. Waana caqliga meesha yaal. Jiiroow, rag baa meesha ku sheekaysanyee nacsnimda kala tag

Abwaan nin yahoow horta waxaa fiican in qofku meesha xanuunaysa abaaro inaad hadba qori is mariso ma fiicna. Dagaamada Awdal, Sanaag iyo Sool kama aanan hadlayn. Waxaan ka hadlayo waxaad tiri dadbaa sad bursday, iyo dadbaan xaq ku taagnayn, marka ilaa iyo hada iimaadan sheegin waxa ay ku sadbursadeen marka laga hadlayo Somaliweyn. Arintaan SSC, Sanaag waa local grievance, local grievansina mar walbuu wuu jirayaa. soomalidu waxay rabaan inay madaxwayne wada noqdaan, mana wada noqon karaan. Arinta Southka anigu ma lihi yaysan federaal noqon, adigaa waxaa tiri, federalism dagaal 20 sano oo kale ha lis dagaalo weee. waxaan u fahmay inaad leedahay dadku kuma heshiinayaa federalism. Dadkale oo koonfurta kasoo jeedaa lehna waan arkay: Puntland iyo Somaliland waa hal qabiil oo meel wada daga, marka way u fududahay inay hal maamul wadayeeshaan, halka koonfurta aysan u fududayn. marka walaalow halkaas baan ka imaanayaaye dooda ha inaka dhabqin. Haduu wax lakala yeesho, waxna lawada yeesho ma ahan inaay tahay waxaaga kula lihi, waxaygana kaalihi. Maxaaa yeelay, Khayraadka si siman baa loo qaybasan qofkasta oo muwaadinana dalka meesha uu rabo buu kadagi karaa, oo cid juujuubaysa ma jirto. Nassir Suaal: Adiga waxaad ka timid Sanaag. oo kay meesha ugu wayn magaalooyinka ugu wayn waa Dahar iyo Badhan, maxaad idinka udhisan waydeen? reerkiinu wuxuu dhistaa oo daaro dhaadheer ka taagay Bosaaso? maxaa magaalooyinkaas loo dhiswaayey inta aan dawlad la is gaarin? Waxaan tagay tuulo hada degmo laga dhigay oo ku taal Mudug layiraa Bursalax. School hoose dhexe, Schoole sare, Boolis station, suuqyo Wadada ku xirta Galkacyo, intaas oo dhan waxaa dhisay dadka dagaanka iyo dibada? iyaga dawlad wax uma qaban iyagaa dhistay soow umqalmaan inay dawlad gobeleed ku dhawaaqaan?

OK. waxaad leedahay Federalismkooda xaq kuma dhisna, yeey boobeen, maxayse ku sad bursadeen? inaad ii cadeyso arintaas waa jeclaan lahaa. Hada waxaa lagu heshiiyey syttemkii dalka laakiin marwalba nabad bay u baahantahy si uu hirgalo. Su,aasheeydii hore oo ahayd koonfurta centralka ha ha ku koobnaadaan dadka federalka rabana ha loo daayo maxaad ka tiri?

Abwaan Adiga ma federalism ayaad leedahay soomaliya kama shaqayn karo mise Puntland baad leedahay wax sad bursiya bay rabtaa? Iima kala cada warkaagu Dad badan waxay qabaan federalismku inuusan ka shaqayn karin koonfurta oo qabaailo is diidan dagan yihiin, marka ma kula tahay in ay haboon tahay in Southern regions ay hoos yimaadaan Dawlada dhexe meesha Puntland iyo Somaliland loo daayo inay ahaadaan autonomous regions sida Tanzania ku tahay zanzibar iyo dalal kale oo badan?