Originally posted by Curling Waterfall: Why? From Surat at-toubah: "And if you ask them, they will surely say, 'We were only conversing and playing.' Say: 'Is it Allah and His verses and His Messenger that you were mocking?' Make no excuse; you have disbelieved [i.e. rejected faith] after your belief." [9:65-66]. So to disregard the prophet as a Muslim would be to reject the faith. Now its understandable why you’re offended as a Muslim. But these publicity stunts are nothing short of media tricks and by being offended, we are serving their purpose. We have to be smart about it now. I guarantee you these cartoons wouldnt have seen the light of day if we didnt care. Secondly, the above verse or sharia doesn’t apply to non-muslims. So why give? Non-Muslims have mocked, degraded and insulted Muslims and Islam throughout history. It hardly matters. [/QB] CW, or shall I call you ALLAMA CW Walaal, what are u implying here- That a nonmuslim has a FREE TICKET to INSULT the RASUL (sallahu calihe wasilm)... I am a little confused :confused:

Originally posted by JaWaRiYa: it always seemed to me that times have changed thus we are progressively changing with it. but preharps i am not correct.Being bought up in a house which was male dominated(in terms of numbers) it never occurred to me that men would find successful women intimidating. you see my father and brothers have always been fussy about my achievements and always pushing me to reach my outmost best.their main effort and emphases was that i got somewhere in my life,seing how this was the way i was bought up and adding to the fact that my best friends also had brothers who were strict and insisted on their future well-being i never thought that it could be possible. then the most shocking thing happened, for the first time in my life i received hostility from men about my status. i thought that it was a mere incident and did not put much thought into it. but it can it be possible? are the male species resorting to hostility because of intimidation? have females scarred the male-ego or set back male domination? or is this out of sheer ignorance? Just think of it as ROLE REVERSAL Would you be interested in a man who DID NOT WORK and STAYED AT HOME !?

Originally posted by Kooleey: quote:In islam, adoption is not allowed (refer to the story of the Prophet (sallahu caliyhe wasilm) marrying Zayid ibn thabit (think thats his last name)'s ex-wife (Divine Command) to prove that there was no such as Adoption in islam). Khayr, You are so wrong in on so many levels. Not only is adoption allowed in Islam but it is highly encouraged. What is forbidden is giving the child your family name. It goes even so far that if you adopt a child and nurse it, your biological children and that child are siblings in every sense of the word. How is that an insult to mothers? Motherhood is the easiest thing in the world. Any id!ot, fool, loser can bear a child. It takes someone great to adopt. FF/Kooley, Are you suggesting that Adoption is > then Motherhood.? :confused: On the adoption issue, its the idea of changing Names, identities, calling the person your SON, DAUGHTER etc. that Here is some info. that might be of some assistance "...Nor has He made your adopted sons your (biological) sons. Such is (only) your (manner of) speech by your mouths. But Allah tells (you) the Truth, and He shows the (right) Way. Call them by (the names of) their fathers; that is juster in the sight of Allah. But if you know not their father's (names, call them) your brothers in faith, or your trustees. But there is no blame on you if you make a mistake therein. (What counts is) the intention of your hearts. And Allah is Oft-Returning, Most Merciful." (Qur'an 33:4-5) The guardian/child relationship has specific rules under Islamic law, which render the relationship a bit different than what is common adoption practice today. The Islamic term for what is commonly called adoption is kafala, which comes from a word that means "to feed." In essence, it describes more of a foster-parent relationship. Some of the rules in Islam surrounding this relationship: An adopted child retains his or her own biological family name (surname) and does not change his or her name to match that of the adoptive family. An adopted child inherits from his or her biological parents, not automatically from the adoptive parents. When the child is grown, members of the adoptive family are not considered blood relatives, and are therefore not muhrim to him or her. "Muhrim" refers to a specific legal relationship that regulates marriage and other aspects of life. Essentially, members of the adoptive family would be permissible as possible marriage partners, and rules of modesty exist between the grown child and adoptive family members of the opposite sex. If the child is provided with property/wealth from the biological family, adoptive parents are commanded to take care and not intermingle that property/wealth with their own. They serve merely as trustees. These Islamic rules emphasize to the adoptive family that they are not taking the place of the biological family -- they are trustees and caretakers of someone else's child. Their role is very clearly defined, but nevertheless very valued and important Source

Originally posted by Kooleey: Well both of you are right although I didn't think of either of ur approaches, was thinking about a virgin, unmarried woman adopting a child. Legally, she is the mother of the child. Salamz, Then that would be an INSULT to all MOTHERS who have carried a child in their womb for 9 months and gave birth (whether it be ceseran or natural etc). An Unmarried women adopting a child is a GUARDIAN-legal guardian. In islam, adoption is not allowed (refer to the story of the Prophet (sallahu caliyhe wasilm) marrying Zayid ibn thabit (think thats his last name)'s ex-wife (Divine Command) to prove that there was no such as Adoption in islam). So the likes of Ms. Jolie can't be called a 'VIRGIN MOTHER' its like calling someone who hasn't committed a murder a 'VIRGIN MURDERER'.

Originally posted by Kashanre: quote: I'm tired of this diplomacy crap where by the time the Palestinians are allowed at the table, they've conceded everything but their lives. Comrade, you hit the nail on that one. I have watched so many Isrealis vs Palestinian debates in which Yassir Arafat was chastised and criticized for walking out of the Camp David during Clintin's mediation of him and Ehud Barak. What they implicitly tried to hide the truth from the viewers and audienaces was that Arafat was more then right in walking out! Yes, it was the first time since Rabin the Isrealis were willing to engage in constructive dialogue rather then Netanyahu's hardline rhetoric, but Arafat was still right for walking out. The Isrealis (with complete American support) brought out a map of an independent Palestinian state in which the land (essentially a soverign state!) was divided into quasi-states manned and controlled by Isreali miltiary personallel at various checkpoints. :eek: I was shocked when I looked at that map and saw the situation for how it was and compared it with how it was being protrayed as. Imagine British checkpoints on the border of all the fifty states of the (a sovereign!) United States of America. You tell me if the representatives of Uncle Sam would have taken that. So, comrade, I do agree with you because that is absaloutely too much to concede. No person with a sense of dignity and an once of self-respect is going to appease their hunger for peace and self-governance for so low! Good on them and kudos to the Palestinian people. Ilaahay ha idin garab galo. ^^^ Ameen I saw a documentary once and could not bare to watch how the Palestinian people were HUMILIATED on a DAILY Basis THROUGH numerous CHECKPOINTS, Harassement from the raeli army and so on... In the middle of the day, there would be hundreds of Palestinians coming from work and they would be STOPPED by a soldier and his 'buddies' for no damn reason but to show of their POWER and HUMULIATE THEM. Palestinians have been badly abused, badly abused, badly abused. As for this victory, The Palestinian people are going to get hit real hard with sanctions and will be put to more trails. It comes with the territory! It comes with the territory! If you want Economic Prosperity, you just need to concede to popular concessions that the G8 countries and EU offer. Allahuma caziz al islam wal muslimoon waanasura huum calla cadoweeka!

Originally posted by Castro: You mean give birth without engaging in intercourse with the male of the species? Artificial insemination. I didn't think of it that way but rather as a phrase to describe Personality Traits. But I do recall a few months ago, FF posted a Deleted topic about such a topic-Artificial insemination. Therefor, Castro's definition makes sense to me.

Originally posted by Ahura: ^^ Boys and girls can be very good friends, but only if they are both butt-ugly. You are not going to remain friends with someone you fancy for long. It's elementary. Theory, sounds like you've already caught the bug. Surrender, dear. Surrender to it. The harder you fight it, the worse it will be. Ahura, Words of Wisdom....coming from EXPERIENCE?

Originally posted by Kooleey: 1. How can a woman be a present day Virgin Mother? (Yes, I'm bored. Indulge me) Salamz, This might be a cynical question or a rhetorical quesiton but if it ain't ..... The term Virgin in conjunction with a noun-Mother means a NEW MOTHER, a FIRST TIME MOTHER or it could describe the 'Naivety/Innocent' of the Mother. WalAllahu yaclim

Loving the Smile

Salamz, Check out these pictures THE FLAGS OF ISLAM-MASHALLAH! Anyone want a flag like that?

Salamz, Its a delicate matter when it comes to a Mother and her child.

Salamz, Allaahuma-jcalnaa mina Daakiriina-llaaha kathiira! Ameen Inshallah, the verse that sticks to me is the one that says that 'Verily, it is in the Rememberance of Allah (Dhikur-Allah) that the hearts find peace,rest,satisfication etc.' Fi Amanillah

Originally posted by Zero: ^^ Saudia Arabia does oppress the female segment of society. No amount religous brouhaha can deny this. Zero, As the world approaches infinity, I am approaching Zero. That is my limit. What is yours? So is it 'safe' to conclude that since you're approaching Zero, that your Comment has a High Probability of being or approaching ZERO.

Wordette, You are asking for to BREAK THE SOL LONG TRUCE with this post. Whyyyyyy? :rolleyes: Tomorrow would have been Juma and it would make almost a week of TRUCE on sol.

Wordette, You are asking for to BREAK THE SOL LONG TRUCE with this post. Whyyyyyy? :rolleyes: Tomorrow would have been Juma and it would make almost a week of TRUCE on sol.

Salamz, You can turn around and proof yourself to be the 'GOOD XIN' and that it is a case of MISTAKEN IDENTITY...then proceed to MILK these LAWFIRMS by telling them that these subpoenas and court orders have caused you Mental Anguish-The pain and suffering of being Mistaken for SOMEONE ELSE and becoming a SUSPECT, a participant in a Civil Suit and being threatened -FINANCIALLY i.e. Law suit Harassement-Now that you've told the story to others at work, they can look at u diff. as a criminal. This harassement originated from the subpoenas and court orders[/b] You can go to a family practitioner and get these EFFECTS documented AND any OUTSTANDING BILL that you haven't payed, you can document that too so that you can make your case stronger. i.e. Look, Xiin can't pay his Bills anymore because of these subpoenas and court orders that were sent by the lawfirms. This way, word gets around that folks shouldn't mess with your NAME anymore. Prove yourself innocent and ask THEM to pay for the time and money it took you to prove your innocence. Make sure they know that it ain't a joke, saxib. Lawyers are famous for MILKING PEOPLE, so MILK THEIR LAW FIRMS BACK.

Menandez brothers-thats what comes to mind. SubhanAllah, what a FITNAH for the family. A Dunya maalcuuna (the world is cursed)

MashaAllah, What a beautiful masjid. The mihrab is done very nicely and the qurans lined up help to make it a warm and lively masjid. Walhamdulillah. Northerner, Keep the pics coming. JazakAllah khairun

Originally posted by Abraar: Walal, Ilaah baan kugu dhaarshayee inta wax ee in laga hadlo mudan, ma 'urinal stalk talk' baa ku cajabisey maanta? Fajac worthy it is :rolleyes: Abraar, It is something that occured to me and it happens to most of us who don't live in a cave and have to use the washroom at work or/and at school. We often ignore our actions in the washroom i.e. small talk and don't (for the most part) care if what we are doing is right or wrong. The deen is not dull saxib, neither should be the Muslim personality because deen permeates (runs through) every aspect of our lives i.e. from washroom use to participating in liberal democratic voting. Sometimes when I encounter a person or a situation, I think-What would the rasul (salallahu caliyhe wasalm) have done, what would the sahaba have done etc...

Originally posted by xiinfaniin: ^Don't put her on the spot, dear Faarax, and feed her enquiring-mind, instead, that in musqul or not, you can’t escape from those divine guards. As for Khayr’s question; just don’t talk, man. Explaine if asked why! Simple. Is it not? Speaking, of course, from experience, I found most people considerate and understanding . Considerate and Understanding when u give them the SILENCE treatment in the washroom? I don't know about....misunderstanding is a POPULAR thing nowadays....within minutes, you can your co-workers gossiping that you are either Having a BAD DAY or just a Rude person etc. Katrina, Ain't HURRICANE SEASON OVERRRR!!! Bisharoo is a funny nomad, so don't give her a bad rep.

Originally posted by Curling Waterfall: quote:Originally posted by Faarax-Brown: Besides,Shouldnt you know *BY NOW*,that one isnt suppose to speak in the musqul? Waxa kaleen maqley, Munkar iyo Nakiir way kaa hadhan markaad musqusha gasho. Does this mean you can get upto anything in there? Xaadha faxmey sabaabta dhuumarka suuligaa isku waar doonan! Thanks Faraax-brown. I knew u'd understand. Anyways, i had this happen to me today at work with a dude that I only cross path with everyotherday and just nod heads (Hi...hI)). I came into the washroom and he was urinating at the urine stall and he greeted me while urinating. I just quickly turned on the fossit for water to fill my istinja bucket and ignored him. Anyways, the person passed by my area a little while ago and I nodded my head to him and he ain't even nodd back. Is the Friendship overrrrrrrrr? :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Blessed: quote:Originally posted by Khayr: I don't think that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world. There is a much...much...bigger and new Religion that is overtaking every other religion and it grows at times-exponentially! Can you guess what Religion that is? hmmmmm, let me guess. The god is money, right? Aanba waan iska hayaa :eek: :mad: it's so attarctive yet so distructive. *aaarrrrrgh* aduunyooy idaa. Still, you shouldn't discredit the dacees success in spreading Islam. It’s the choice for thinking persons… Looks like marriage and motherhood have made you a Wise Xalimoo. Waan igaa saxsantaxey I don't want to undermine the work of the dacees. Fi Amanillah

So as you Judge,so to will be judged' I don't use a Urinal but they are in Every Public Washroom. Also, there are no Barriers between the general publich washroom user or the Urinal Attendee i.e. Person who is peeing and the one washing their hands. So Farax Brown, saxib an APOLOGY is DUE. Why folks always digress from the Topic? Follow the line people....

Salamz, Do any of you nomads get co-workers, classmates etc. trying to talk to you, trying to start a conversation while they are urinating? Do you engage them in a discussion? Its a really strange situation. Personally, I try not to say a word to them while they are urinating at the Urine Stall. Its a question of having some adab.

Originally posted by Caano Geel: khayr for you i think max romeo's chase the devil might be suitable theme tune ---- Lucifer son of the mourning, I'm gonna chase you out of earth! I'm gonna put on a iron shirt, and chase satan out of earth I'm gonna put on a iron shirt, and chase the devil out of earth I'm gonna send him to outa space, to find another race I'm gonna send him to outa space, to find another race Satan is an evilous man, But him can't chocks it on I-man So when I check him my lassing hand And if him slip, I gaan with him hand I'm gonna put on a iron shirt, and chase satan out of earth I'm gonna put on a iron shirt, and chase the devil out of earth I'm gonna send him to outa space, to find another race I'm gonna send him to outa space, to find another race Him haffi drop him fork and run Him can't stand up to Jah Jah son Him haffi lef' ya with him gun Dig off with him bomb I'm gonna put on a iron shirt, and chase satan out of earth I'm gonna put on a iron shirt, and chase the devil out of earth I'm gonna send him to outa space, to find another race I'm gonna send him to outa space, to find another race Satan is a evilous man, But him can't chocks it on I-man So when I check him my lassing hand And if him slip, I gaan with him hand I'm gonna put on a iron shirt, and chase satan out of earth I'm gonna put on a iron shirt, and chase the devil out of earth I'm gonna send him to outa space, to find another race I'm gonna send him to outa space, to find another race Move ya with your gun Mi sey fe lef' ya with your bomb... --- Yes, dread (caanoo geel), Satan needs to be Chased OUT. Dats a baaad man tune. Guess, the farax' are HIJACKING this thread. On my drives to work this week(tape cassette/cd drive doesn't work), I have heard this song on the radio called 'SO SICK'. Its real HEAVY!