Your clan sumad |.| is very close to my clan sumad; our sumad is |:. Would be interesting to find out if people of the same clan family (HAG, SAHAL, DM etc) have similar pattern sumads or if sumads are more regional e.g. people who settle in the same place regardless of clan family e.g. cow-white and p.u.n.t.i.t.e.s in Mudug or sujuu in NFD who are so mixed you don't know an longfoot from a dagoodi from g*a*r*r*e....

Naxar Nugaaleed;958554 wrote: lol interesting, so everyone is accounted for? Yes. Sad-one.Father-same. Heart-y. Camel-Table. Lil'-Case.

Naxar Nugaaleed;958541 wrote: I think I just now figured this acronym out, that is clever thinking lol. So someone correct me, wiil waal's people would fall under one of A s? You mean it took you thing long NN? :cool:

^^ Long term solution; bring our boys and girls home.

@xiinfaniin CAPTION: "I have ma sombrero and looking mighty fine; now where the cows @?"

^^ I can't believe SOLers are actually discussing an unsubstantiated BS paper and a tweet and dedicated so much effort to it? How about spending more energy on how to get ourselves out of this mess that has made us the laughing stock of the world. I liked Chimera's ideas and "re-imagining Somalia" way better than this "mine is bigger than yours" high-school BS.

Saalax;958513 wrote: Well SNM and Somaliland are intertwined, as the largest group in former British Somaliland. The fate of Somaliland depends on the SNM block, but others such as Awdalites are part and parcel of the country and some supporters in eastern Sanaag, eastern Sool. Main dish (SNM block) and side dish and/or dessert (others/etc)...Would that be a fair analogy kkk

As the Foreign Minister she had to be there anyway. I wonder what the delegation would have said if she were HAG kkk. Imagine that; would they have asked Uhuru to kick her out of the meeting?

Amina is the H in SAHAL; a D-hunter to be specific. But I doubt she has time for Somali clan politics, a real professional if ever there was one! I also doubt she knows the direction of SSC from Bungoma County, Western Province, Kenya...

Abtigiis why are you serenading your Iphone? You sound very lonely!

Just one - read 20 books about Somalia/Somalis starting with Richard Burton's First Footsteps to the latest. Left with just one, Dr Hawa Abdi's biography. Maybe my next target should be to write one myself...

A good chunk of the articles is written by Kenyan intelligence...don't believe the hype. And Kenya journalists can't place Afgooye on a simple map.

^^ These Brit double-dealers never stop their two-faced shenanigans do they?

Apophis;957863 wrote: Too many abstract ideas cloud the mind and there's a lot of abstract junk out there in book form (especially in the social sciences) and it's very hard to filter the good from the bad. best way to deal with social science books is to read the foreword, intro and conclusion kkkk - just get the gist of it, the rest is yada yada

Safferz;957532 wrote: *bump* QansaxMeygaag, what's your verdict on Kapteijns' book? Brushing up on research methods before my trip... And the books I'm taking with me to read during downtime or use for reference: Ladan's book is absolutely riveting. Every SOLer should get a copy and read it cover to cover. She is fair, balanced and has clearly done her homework. I want to go out and look for more of the woman's work. I know she is married to a P*u*n*t*i*t*e and for those who might throw brickbats my way - nyet - am not one, sorry to disappoint you kkk. Neither am I HAG, so am in a unique position to critique the book without being called names by the HAG/SAHAL blah blah blah.

HSM is just being a nice Somali boy paying respect to an elder...me thinks, I could be dead wrong!

Looks like they are both sulking...did IGAD refuse them sweets?

Middle one in the glasses, looking like the Ethio PM...

^ Hmm. Sounds to me like a mine is bigger than yours arguement...

Same sh*t; different cast.

xiinfaniin;956431 wrote: In its most elementary reading, IGAD communique says : Mr. Hassan this is a Somali problem , we think you should solve it by talking to the stakeholders in that region. isn't that a bit disingenuous on IGAD's part given they have at been at this for at least the last 2 years...

^^ No love lost between those two. Here she is actually quoting Cassanelli and her main point is that she agrees with him as far as identity formation is concerned. But even he concedes here that there was some modicum/basis? of a Somali identity by the arrival of Islam: "The practical effects of such links were, of course, limited since there existed in Somalia no large-scale political organization to give substance to the concept of a total Somali genealogy; yet the ideological basis for the recognition of a larger Somali community was there."

Catherine Besteman at her best (pun intended) in her book: Unraveling Somalia: Race, Violence and the Legacy of Slavery. set mostly in the Middle Juba among the Somali "Bantu". In discussing the role of Islamic leaders in nurturing a vision of Somali nationalism prior to 1900, Cassanelli suggests that Muslim sheikhs used genealogy to closely bind religious and personal identities in Somalia [this is in reference to imbuing Gosha villages with a religious sensibility that also tied them to Somali clan trees]: One can reasonably argue that it was the Muslim sheikhs, both Arab and Somali, who first planted the notion of a wider Somali identity. They propagated stories of Arab ancestry and facilitated the construction of genealogies that linked the ancestors of the various clans they served to the Qurayshitic lineage of the Prophet or to some prestigious immigrant from Arabia. Only the sheikhs maintained written Arabic manuscripts that recorded the genealogical connections, at the highest levels, among various clan founders. The practical effects of such links were, of course, limited since there existed in Somalia no large-scale political organization to give substance to the concept of a total Somali genealogy; yet the ideological basis for the recognition of a larger Somali community was there. We might speculate that through their activities of political mediation, social consolidation, and religious propagation, the saints helped both to forge and to reinforce the notion of a shared religious heritage among the Somalis. They provided to the various groups on the ground a sense of common history; and they encapsulated that history in the genealogies which every Somali maintained to define his place in the social system. To this extent, then, the work of the saints contributed to the fusion of the Islamic and Somali identities. If today one can almost automatically say that to be a Somali is to be a Muslim, historically it can be said that to accept Islam was to accept membership in a larger Somali nation. *** Sorry for the long quote but I found it fascinating. What do SOLers think?

^^ Whether or not Abtigiis is right, having your kids and wives (as a senior government official) in Nairobi surely puts you in a very vulnerable position? It is not called Nairoberry for no reason...

Abtigiis;955865 wrote: Hi Malika. Waan ku salaamay ugaaso. I am in cheerful mood today, but Juxa is trying to put cold water on it. Juxa, what has to be a family man, and to be a hassle-free got to do with astray random phone calls in the middle of the night! :D The second story says nothing. Neither me nor the subject woman said anything beyond what people say to each other. I should not be presumptuous. The woman could have been looking for a job and could have thought I can help her. She could have millions of reasons to want to have some platonic relationship with me. She could think I remind her of a dead brother of hers. I never presume anything these days. It is not like the teenage years when any woman who looks to the direction you are - even if she smelt bad fart coming from that direction - were seen as confirmation of her interest in you! That said, this particular story ended on a funny note, which did not leave much to the imagination, to be honest. If I were to post some of the things married friends of mine say they encountered, this site would be closed. I hold men of my age responsible for corrupting our young girls, mainly in Islii (Nairobi) and in Somalia. The things I see and talk about, much more interesting things are happening. It is just that I like to write about some of the strange things I see. Was she batting her eyelids and playing with her hair when you gave her the bizcard? kkk