Very impressive. Kudos to the Puntland marines. No torture no matter how little. Just interrogate, document their involvement, and hand them back to their governments.

Do you dispute?

I wonder who whispered those clever remarks to your ears? Or did you come up with them all by yourself? Fariid fariid dhalay. NGONGE;941783 wrote: Oh! Sorry saaxib , I spent a lifetime not knowing what "adult discussion" looks like. Now that I know, I'll take your advice and stay well away. :D

Kuwiinii miyirka qabay baanu fahmi weynay macdallaa kaagan wax u dhiman yihiin.

I think Faysal is a little harsh and may be for the wrong reasons. he come across of angry these days. The President and his team are newbies, do not know what they are doing and are not familiar with the art of diplomacy and politicking let alone history and its symbolism and nuances. And yes they must have known better.

Are these people for real? Where were you when your lot come dressed in shorts marching along the British vagabonds invading and killing innocent indigenous Somalis in their own homes? were those killed not Somalis? were the ones killing not foreign enemies? And using planes! or was that an omen from the heavens? Or where the British your cousins who painted their faces white? I forgot they do not teach that at schools, do they? What was the Dervish movement? Unpopular? Carafaat;941589 wrote: Baashi, you cant be serieuz sxb. You are allowed to defend uncle Yeey's borrowing of Ethiopian muscles(airplanes, tanks) to fight his war against a popular movement. But trying to justify his actions by comparing things which hardly can be compared is another

There are two currencies the secessionists peddle. One is daily rationing of “Cay” of anyone in their vicinity. The other is a non-stop “Cuqdad” of anything that breathes. Now, to understand how it works you have to be familiar with their make-up. An old man once said “Habruhu waa indha ku garaadle oo sida caruurta ayaa loo calaa”. If you handle them gently they will defecate on you. But if you harness them with long enough rope and strike as they try to get out of hand, they will serve you well till the end. History supports the old man’s theory. Just read the history of the British in the days of the colonies. The problem is when they are with Somalis from the South, who do not know them well, they are the loudest and the most proud, but deep down they are troubled souls with flawed character. Just observe this other trend. If you talk to one of them the rest will automatically and without fail do two things. Firstly, they will start “in ay isu nacamleeyaan”. And secondly, they will all come armed with sticks and knives. Other groups are familiar with man-o-man engagement. They are not. And watch how no other group does that. See if you can explain that one away. Put it differently a sense of inferiority complex that drove them to seek secession from a group of people whom they claim to have wronged them, yet have audacity to claim those same peoples' territories all in the name of seeking unity. An irony, for the life of me I can never understand. One for the history books.

Horaa loo yiri Hashu maankay gadaye ma mansaar bay liqday. It is impossible to get you to stick with one thing at a time and discuss it in a rationale way.

It is your lots' obsession I am questioning, so try for once to stand for what you breach without intertwining yourself with others.

I am familiar with Culusow's argument, but yours I am not. See if you can dig deep to explain away your fascination with federal states. Carafaat;941574 wrote: The Pirates must be getting desperate when they send their top shot lawyer to debate federalism with Somalilanders of all people. Find below one the many articles written by Somali intellectuals against this curse of clan federalism.

Xiin, You would think it is a simple question, but no, the secessionists are khiyaal ku nool, and that is asking too much of them to live in the real world, and come out of the cage they surrounded themselves in the triangle. And instead of debating the message, they resort what they do best. go after the person, but guess what. I believe eye for an eye.

Really, that is your comeback. There you go with you xaar walwaal matag. re-read and come up with an iota of explanation in the trend discussed. if not, take a bow and make an exit. Oodweyne;941429 wrote: Xiinfaniin, There was no questions of even being worthy of a toddlers nightly dribble on their pillows. Hence I do not know about you, but as a principles I don't encourage others to detain us with their toddlers nightly soaking drama of their pillows.

And why would I listen? you think his words are Qur'an? do you not have a mind of your own? he is a man on a mission. I disagree with him. anything else? Now, go and continue with your usual nonsense. I am out. Xaaji Xunjuf;941397 wrote: Here listen to xassan sheikh maxamuud you dont have to believe me just listen to him and where he is taking Somalia. Dadkan mala afsomaliga ku adag bal horta dhegeyso intadan jiiboon.

Assume that I do. also assume there are some triangles found in those regions. any other irrelevant out of topic quesitons? And quit with the nacamlaynta. Oodweyne;941398 wrote: Illyria, Since your talk about Cayn and Sool and who live there makes sense to you, since you believe those who you call the resident of the 'triangle" do not live there. Then the question is do you know anything about these regions and who lives where precisely?

As I said I cannot have an adult rational conversation with you 'cos you are not making much sense. You come across as a troubled person who has been listening to the same rubbish all his life and cannot think rationally. Think about your logic. How does someone from the triangle tells someone from Cayn not to talk about Sool? you would be wise to leave the federal government and its affairs to the people it concerns and who know about its inner workings. it is more complex than you think. And put HAG aside and let its sons speak on its behalf. Focus instead on the triangle's obsession with the federal states which is the topic if you can. But you won't knowing how your lot are wired. Xaaji Xunjuf;941301 wrote: ^^ And who are you to talk and speak for the people of awdal sool and sanaag .

I think you are exaggrating their importance, and giving them too much credit. I would not advocate for any policy that seeks alienation or forceful persuation of any group. if the triangles do not want to be part of the union, let them be provided they remain in their triangle. live and let live. the wishes of the people in Awdal, Sool & Sanaag must be protected, recognised and respected. "Pressure domestically and stagnation in the political front will see the seccesionist dream crumble" I agree the unionsts must stand against the secessionists for the sake of the union, but it has to be done in a manner benefiting all peoples of Somalia, secessionists or not. You and I must disagree on this front. The federal government lacks clear direction, vision, and time-tested leadership. "I am very enthusiastic about the somali government, the president is on the right track and federal state"

Does prof. Ghandi stand a chance in this race?

Very mature. Next time stick with the kids who laugh at your one-liner zingers and incessant use of iconography, stay away from adult discussions. obviously you cannot break bread with men of the hard knock club. When the going gets tough the triangles tuck tail. Put me at ease. are you out of your little mind? And why assume I would get angry with a loony behind a keyborad some thousand miles away? NGONGE;941230 wrote: ^^ The use of the word "saaxib" is to put your mind at ease and stop you from losing your temper. It obviously didn't work. Ok. I was trying to be a grown up about this and see how far your paranoia goes. Since you refuse to mention any other groups and your feelings about them. I may as well write this thread off as an invitation to have a cyber fight. So here goes: You are uuf and the secessionists are great. Bax warya. So, in your self-inflicted, spleen-bursing, wall-pounding, mouth-foaming session of rage, you missed the breakdown about the regional representaion? Typical secessionst. NGONGE;941230 wrote: Since you refuse to mention any other groups and your feelings about them.

Do me a favour and cut the saaxib rubbish. The trend being observed is the point or hypothesis. can you talk to that? can you disprove it if you disagree with it. and bear in mind the semantics of the message. otherwise, I will have to wait for a clear headed secessionist or a HAG fan with whom I can engage. you seem to be roaming in circles. NGONGE;941218 wrote: Err..do you follow your own words and their meanings, saaxib? I can't miss the point even if I wanted to (it's there in the title). But the question still applies, are these two the only ones you consider "propagandist" or "weak"?

You are missing the bloody point, which is about the triangles and are instead reaching for a quick zinger. I see the answer did not satisfy you. You are assuming the triangles are bad. I am not. I am only observing a trend, but you keep avoiding it. NGONGE;941208 wrote: It was a simple question, saaxib. You criticised SL and HAG. I asked you who was left? Are you saying everyone else is good?

So in your estimation the whole country is HAG and the triangles? Again, read one more time. of the 18 regions, the triangles are found in 3, and the HAGs are found in 4 including the capital. so what happened to remaining 11 regions? NGONGE;941195 wrote: ^^ I did. Answer the question please.

Could you go and play while I talk to the grown ups? Xaaji Xunjuf;941188 wrote: How can HAG be played when they have the Presidency and Capital on lock, they cant be played they have it all under control:D

Try it again and this time see if you could put that organ up your head to a good use. NGONGE;941187 wrote: ^^ So secessionists are bad and HAG are puppets? Ya hadhay marka?

There is trend I observe in this forum. it is entertaining to watch how loud the secessionists from the trio Habro's triangle (Hargeysa-Berbera-Burco) are against federalism and federal states in Somalia. A good example is their daily bombardment of the forum with negative progranda against Puntland, Jubaland, Southwest, Khaatumo, Awdal, Galmudug, Ximan & Xeeb or whatever state emerges. It makes perfect sense 'cos for their dream project to succeed, they have to create smoke and vilify federalism, and go against all efforts against the formation of federal states in Somalia. All negative propaganda is seen as positive contributing to their end goal. Even their fake unionists are on the campaign. They are always seeking, and sometimes fabricate negative news about one of the federal states or an emerging state or upcoming regions. It is also commical and sometimes laughable to read their commentary to realise how clueless they are, but for them, it is pure gold. For them history began yesterday, but horaa loo yiri Dhallaan Qayladi, Waa Qaboonada. What is however troubling is how HAG fans, who are supposedly unionists are on the same bandwagon without realising the game being played. I understand they are a bit slow when it comes to politics, but will it be too late by the time they wake up to realise the game? Genuine pro-unionists, whether in favour of federalism or not should be on the lookout, and beware of the trap being laid.

Good point.