Baashi Good to know there is a gatekeeper. It is a goodwill initiative on the part of Britain which is trying to hang on to its imperial influence over its commenwealth/colonies and its intent is to remain relevant in the evolving geopolitics of the new world where resources and economic dominance are the driving factors. Africa is the target. China is in the driving seat. Europe and US are lagging behind. Consider the following. Africa has 60% of the world's untapped resources. China is scaling up its interest in Africa by a rate of - forgot what the last rate was - somewhere in the region of 2,000% increase. Read Sino-Africa relationship academic papers, which illustrate the economic race 'ween China, the new (future) econoimic empire, and Europe, the old old empire still wanting to remain relevant seeking remedies for its economic woes, and the US, current empire seeking to hold on. So, Africa is the economic battle ground. so to circle back to your question, Britain is in competition with Turkey with the long reach being raw resources of the dark continent, and Somalia serves as the broken glass, and whomever fixes it not only takes the mantle, but will use it as a goodwill gesture for other resource-rich, but less developed, African nations. That is my reading. Now, you will notice I am trying to avoid, and for a good reason, the inter-Somali politics and squablling over the presumed ownership and member attendance of the conference, and am focusing more on its geopolitical relevance. Let me add tho' I'd have liked it however if President Hassan came to the meeting with the leaders of the future federal states like Somaliland, Puntland, Galmudug, Jubaland etc on his side, and they, the leaders saw this as an golden opportunity to present a united front to the world and ask the world to help them help themselves in reconstructing the country. It is however highly unlikely judging from what was seen last couple of weeks. Add-on: Timely? No 'cos politically Somali leaders are not ready for serious talk and unless that has taken place locally reconstruction could not tempted therefore any attempt in that direction NOW is futile.

Carafaat, I will treat your outburst as if gargled by a youngster, and will ignore it. Hmmmm. Ilyria, you start a post on Puntland elections and you don't even know the Puntland electoral law Ileyn meesha dood u maad iman, xayesiiskii reerka lagu yaqanay ayaa wadaa.

Oh no. Tho' I have not come across Mr. Libaax yet, but I'll take your word for it and never mention it again.

Carafaat, Do you know why it is frustrating to converse with you? It is 'cos you do not pay attention to DETAIL. re-read the earlier post, and pay attention to the word FIRST this time, please? I agree. The election process is not a process without flaws but one of the most crucial issues is that of the arbiter(the Electoral Committee). Without an independent arbiter, the opposition will always cry fault and they already have done so. See the letter you posted. Even after elections, they will say the process was not democratic, irrelevent if they have won or not.

Do you remember how many Riyaale appointed in the first election in SL?

Baashi, The current crop of Somali politicians and leaders are neither intelligent nor public serving technocrats. They are neither honest nor capable. They are however egotistical prima donnas deeply influenced by Somalia's recent history and of which views and politics are shaped firstly by clan interest instead of the national and public interest. Add-on: And to understand the malaise in Somali politics, such observe this forum and the nonsense that passes as facts and hard data - no critical analysis or fact-checking or patience for the all facts to emerge, but furious rush to judgement and no subscription to the age old doctrine of awarding the "benefit of the doubt" in situations or cases - 'cos people in this forum will eventually graduate and morph into politicians serving the ailing Somalia.

Carafaat, The process has to begin somewhere, and it just so happens this is not a Somali-owned process, but one borrowed from other nations. In the US, the President appoints members (6) of the US Electoral commission whereas in the UK the Parliament appoints members. Did you ever wonder why there is the Electoral College in the US? It is not perfect, but it has to begin somewhere. Of course you can criticise it till cows come home, but the criticism has to be realistic, consider existing conditions, constraints and circumstances, and make sense. If not, it is just conjecture. Again, this is just an example, even tho' we cannot compare mature democracies and centuries-old independent institutions with Somalia's non-existing ones. And I am NOT discounting the democratic nature of the Somali culture.

Are you deliberately contradicting yourself, or arguing with and against yourself? Carafaat;944814 wrote: Faroole appointed those 4 members and they form a majority of the "Electoral Committee". Wax fahan. Carafaat;944814 wrote: Faroole appointed 5 of the 9 members of Puntland "Electoral Committee". The oppositions knows there wont be fair eledtions with such a partial Electoral Committee.

And even tho' the federal government leadership is caught with their hand in the till, Puntland has to engage the federal government, play politics, and ALWAYS think of the national interest. And of course think of its own interest too. And I do understand it is difficult to engage the current crop of Somali politicians with tyrannical tendencies and one-directional perspectives.

And that is the desired end goal. But first we must get all the facts in before passing the judgement, no? Did he know, or did not he? Was he a part to it?

Wait a minute tho'. this get more interesting. The question should be: did the President know about the amendments to the constitution? if he did, and he swore to safeguard the constitution and upload the law, and the constitution has been amended under his watch, does that mean his oath no longer holds true? Does that bring his Presidency under disrepute where some could argue, and rightly so, that he is no longer the President? let us wait and see if he was aware of the changes. Intersting development to say the least.

Shut your gob and grow up. It is people like you who get fat from mayhem and always looking for more meyham. malistar2012;944670 wrote: CRY as much as you want Mogadishu moved on , its booming and the clan you hate are getting richer by the day . Faroole Crying from Growe does not effect The Progress Somalia is achieving . Fed Gov should deal with Puntland as to how somaliland deals with Pirate state isolation , while Somaliland Controls ***** land faroll should stop beating his chess he is a light weight .......

Let us hope President Hassan and his advisors pay attention, see this as a lesson learnt, re-strategise, make amends, and engage Faroole to come along to the London Conference. WW, The idea is not to compound or frustrate, but to correct errors, constitutional in this case, and direct people away from committing more mistakes.Tit for tat hardly gets you any far. If the other side is laying the bait, intentionally or not, why fall for it. You should know better, should not you? Or is that too much to ask?

I could never understand how people form opinions without possessing the facts or the right context. No wonder Somalis are messed up.

Are the issues raised by Puntland valid and justified? Yes. Did the FGS consult Puntland with respect to the London Conference or the formation of federal member states or the amandements to the national constitution? No. Prove is in the pudding. Here are the relevant articles and sub sections in the constitution. According to the constitution, under Article 53 on the matter of International Negotiations: (1) In the spirit of inter-governmental cooperation the Federal Government shall consult the Federal Member States on negotiations relating to foreign aid, trade, treaties, or other major issues related to international agreements. (2) Where negotiations particularly affect Federal Member State interests, the negotiating delegation of the Federal Government shall be supplemented by representatives of the Federal Member States governments. (3) In conducting negotiations, the Federal Government shall regard itself as the guardian of the interests of the Federal Member States, and must act accordingly. Again, under Article 52, sections 1 and 2 plus sub sections a - j: (1) The Federal Government and Federal Member State governments shall ensure that meetings between the Presidents of the Federal Member States and high ranking officials be held regularly to discuss issues that affect their territories, including: (a) Water sources; (b) Agriculture; © Animal husbandry; (d)Pasture and forestry; (e)The prevention of erosion and the protection of the environment; (f) Health; (g)Education; (h)Relations and dialogue amongst traditional leaders, and the protection and development of traditional law; (i) Relations amongst religious scholars; and (j) Youth. (2) Federal Member States may enter cooperative agreements amongst themselves or with the Federal Government, which may not be legally binding or contradict the national constitution and the constitutions of the Federal Member States. Were amendements made to the constitution prior to its being subject to national referendum? Yes. Was it done through the right process? No. Again, according the constitution, under Chapter 15, Article 132, sub sections 1 - 10 provide: Article 132. Provisions Applicable to an Amendment to the Constitution Proposed After the Expiry of the First Term of the Federal Parliament (1) Notwithstanding Clause (2), whether before or after the expiry of the first term of the Federal Parliament, neither House of Parliament may consider an amendment to the Founding Principles mentioned in Chapter 1 of this Constitution. (2) Subject to Clause (1), and other than an amendment of the boundaries of Federal Member States in terms of Article 49, a House of the Federal Parliament may consider an amendment to the Constitution only in terms of the procedures set forth in Clauses (3) through (9). (3) The Federal Government or a Federal Members State government, a member of the Federal Parliament or a petition signed by at least 40,000 citizens may initiate the amendment process. (4) A sponsor of a constitutional amendment in terms of Clause (3) may introduce that proposed amendment into either House of the Federal Parliament. (5) If a majority of the members of the House in which its sponsors introduce a proposed constitutional amendment accept that amendment on first or a subsequent reading, the Speaker of the House of the People and the Speaker of the Upper House of the Federal Parliament of Somalia shall each appoint ten members of that Speaker's House to a joint committee of the two Houses. (6) The joint committee appointed in terms of Clause (5) shall: (a) Review a proposal for the amendment; (b) Inform the public of the proposal; © Ensure that adequate opportunity exists for public debate; (d) Consult with members of the public; (e) Ensure that members of the public have adequate opportunity to present their comments and suggestions to the joint committee; and (f) Engage Federal Member State legislatures and incorporate the Federal Member States’ harmonized submissions into the proposed amendment, whereas the matter concerns Federal Member State interests. (7) Within two (2) months of its appointment, the joint committee shall submit its report to each House of the Federal Parliament. (8) The Federal Parliament adopts a proposed amendment only after approving it on a final vote in the House of the People by at least two-thirds (2/3) of the existing members, and on a final vote in the Upper House of the Federal Parliament by at least two-thirds (2/3) of the existing members. (9) A House of Parliament may only take a final vote three (3) months or more after the report of the joint committee in terms of Clause (7). (10) If the Parliament approves one or more proposed amendments in terms of this Article and Article 136 concerning the review of the final Constitution, it shall conduct a referendum on the revised Constitution as amended. All else is just pure waffle and conjecture.

So with your statistical analysis, 4 is greater than 5 where 4 is a majority? Or was maths not taught at your school? And are you certain these are the 4 the administration appointed? Carafaat;944543 wrote: Faroole appointed those 4 members and they form a majority of the "Electoral Committee". Wax fahan. Puntland = Khatumo, and Khatumo = Puntland. Need I keep saying the same thing over and over and over. Will it ever sink. So is Khatumo part of Puntland? Afterall its the Puntland elections. Warkaga cadee boowe.

Mr. Waaberi, chairman of HORUCAD says his party will be participating in the upcoming local council elections dismissing earlier reports of non-participation. Audio

WW, Could we please show some respect to the President. if not the person, how about the office?

Midnimo and UDAD are making some reasonable demands, and some that are difficult to meet. Having a Supreme Court of which role is to mediate in the event of disputes, and to stamp the election results, is reasonable, and the administration must pay attention to these concerns. It is in the best interest of all. But why personalise, and go after 4 of the PEC members? Joint press release by Midinimo and UDAD.

And now HORCAD withdraws its participation of the local council elections, but did not articulate the reasoning other than criticising the process, and the Election Commission. Why would any one else be in control other than Khatumo? After all it is a Khatumo territory. Carafaat;943997 wrote: Isn't Khatumo in control of Boocame, Xudun and Taleex?

Anyone has the stats of how the elders divvied up the Ergo?

Whatever the political differences at the time between political leaders, Khatumo = Puntland, and Puntland = Khatumo. After all, Puntland is built upon the sweat and blood of Khatumites, therefore Khatumites are stakeholders of Puntland, and are not "Marti". Classified;944186 wrote: I see Jaamac Kadiye, an Abwaan of Reer Lasanod. Puntland's Vice President is also Reer Lasanod/Talex. The question is, don't tribes from Puntland that have their territories part of Puntland 100% deserve to be given the VP or Presidential position, instead of Cabdisamad, who's entire tribe is against Puntland and is supporting Khaatumo?

Impressive. Any time Somali leaders get together to discuss the future of the country, and the meeting takes place on home territory (Somalia), it is always a step to the right direction. Let the Somali leaders do away with meetings held in foreign capitals. period.

Waxaa Maanta Lagu Qabtay magaalada Taariikhiga ah ee Taleex Munaasibad Balaadhan oo lagu Soo Afmeeyay Shrikii Dhowaanahanba halakaasi uga socday Golayaasha maamulka Khaatumo State. Sidoo kale Waxaa Qayb Ka Ahayd Munaasibad uu Xilka Madaxwayne nimo ee Meertada ah kula Wareegayey Madaxwyne Cabdinuur Cilmi Qaaje Biindhe oo Kamida Golaha Madaxtooyada maamulka Khaatumo State. Iyadoo ay madashaasi ku wada dhamaanyeen dhamaan golaha xukumada ee maamulka Khaatumo State, Isla mar ahaantaana ay xil wareejintaasi u dhacdey si heer sare ah,Yadoo labada dhinac ee xilkani meertada ah kula kala wareegayay ay u kala gudoonsadeen si farxad iyo kalsooni ka muuqato. Waxaana madashaasi ereyo aad u qiimo badan kasoo jeediyey Maxamed Yuusuf Jaamac Halac, oo ka mid ahaa golaha madaxtooyada maamulka Khaatumo State,Mudadii lasoo dhaafeyna talada xilka madaxtinimo gacanta ku hayay, Halka uu xilkani meertada ah la Wareegay madaxweyne Cabdinuur Cilmi Qaaje Biindhe Gabagabada Shirkaas Muhiimka ah ee Dhowaanahanba ka Socday magaalada Taleex ayaa waxaa laga Soo Saaray Qodobo Muhiima kuwaas oo waxbadan ka Badali doona Xaalada Deegnada SSC ee Maamulka Khaatumo State. Shacabkwaynaha ku Dhaqan magaalada Taleex ayaa Dhankooda Siwayn Usoo dhoweeyay Is afgaradka iyo Midnimada ka Muuqata dhamaan Golayaasha Khaatumo State. Allssc News Desk/Online hiirad@allssc.com

About time they have started greening and landscaping. Woow....I did not know you had it in you to see good things unless of course it is ilma Marqaan-driven one. Carafaat;943959 wrote: Good initiative.