well we had the opportunity of a World Cup to guage the best players. Pick your dream Team Gk - Buffon - no competition 2 - Zambrotta - ditto 3 - Abidal - (Ashley Cole not enough games) 4 - Terry - co comp 5 - Fabio Cannavaro - ditto 6 - Makalele - ditto 7 - Steven Gerrard 8 - Patrick Viera 9 - Theirry Henry 10 - ZINEDINE ZIDANE 11 - Ronaldinho subs Messi Riquelme Pirlo Scheva A solid D with a classy strike force me thinks

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Look like Mr Putin used his ex KGB skills on the kids. Here

Having a big house is no big deal. I left my dream home some 4 years ago, i still go back now and then. Its where i grew up (for the most part) and miss the old place. :cool:

Illahey ha u sahlo Some very disturbing news coming out of SA these days. BOB comes to mind with regard to SOlers there. I hope he and his family are fine as with other Somalis.

JB I sure could have agreed as it really could be the case , but then what would that tell me about the correctness/trueness of Islam or Atheism? not much i guess, to be frank nothing. Same thing goes for the moot point of Islam beeing the fastest growing religon in America. It will show you what you wish it to. Some people become curious as to why, while others shrug there shoulders and repeat 'i know whats best for me' to themselves. Ie they are stubborn!

family would reside in KSA/UAE. How many 'contractors' do you hear of in Iraq?

Should one even contemplate such action(s) is possible?

i would rather demand a stats for the number of ppl abandoning their belif of origin Yesterday, the number of reverts (mostly Americans) at the local masjid outnumbered the Arabs :eek: Such statistics would be great but i doubt they are available. The best way of making such a measure is to simply walk the streets. I'm sure even you would accept the number of reverts to Islam greatly out number the apostates.

Granted, a miscalculation on my part :confused: and i havnt been able to find another source. The research was done by The Graduare Centre but have a look at the methodology used -only 50,000 people surveyed by phone which is not an accurate representation (even if they claim otherwise). I will give you this one SB based on stats that lack accuracy and is contracdicted by these articles on the same website. 1.1m Muslims in America in 2000 based on the stats but others claim 1.8, 2.3 and as far high a 7m? Enjoy :mad: Any figures for 2006?

^^I wasnt refering to you saxib. I was refering to the 'new' Muslim mentality in the UK. I was there for a month and witnessed the new attitude of 'everything is plotting against us' and 'we cant do anything' etc.

Iran has benefited hugely from recent events (Afghanistan/Iraq). They are the big players in the region today, they hold the cards and they trying get the world to dance to their tune. Do you trust the Iranian not to make nuclear war heads? Do you trust the Iranians not to set off another war? Do you trust the Iranians should be the question.

PS: UK 'was' considered decent but not anymore. Depends how you look at it saxib. Yes there is alot of negative press and peoples attitudes have slightly altered due to this. But why would anyone care? Depends on how YOU live your life and YOUR attitude towards whats around you. A defeatist attitude is dangerously creeping into the Muslim mentality today. "That includes members of my own family. Often when I make programmes and talk to people, they didn't watch them because they were too busy watching something on, say, the Islam Channel. People just aren't attuned to British ideas and that's something that has concerned me enormously." What do they want people to watch? The filthy soaps? The Big Brothers? and all the other dumbed down be part of the sheep stuff? Al Jazeera and Sky Sports!

Thanks W11 An interesting season ahead, better sort out my tv sports package :cool: ps did you go to the game last night? Man Utd looking good I was just on the bbc football forum and this what a Man Utd 'advised' liverpool fans before they fo to Turkey to play Galatasaray I'd advise you to shave off your 'taches before flying out, or else they might mistake you for Kurds.

NG, i have another two weeks of freedom, better enjoy while it lasts. Didnt bother going to the beach, had a game of football with a bunch Nepalese Buddists how ironic Makes a mental note to report these changes to the powers that be ps like i said before, 'plastic city'. The English expats are in their own little bubble, the Arabs think they made all this by themselves, the Indians work hard but no reward, everyone thinks they are better than the other. What happens to people here when they get behind a wheel? :rolleyes:

The UK is a decent place to live if you live right. You will become agitated at a few things but all in all its a very decent place (apart from the high gun/knife crimes)

At work, about to go home. Had a 4 day week as Monday was a public holiday (Isra wa Mircaaj) Enjoy it while it lasts. I hear that as if the 1st of next month your weekends (in the UAE) will change into Friday and Saturday instead of Thursday & Friday. My weekends are already Fri and Sat. A midnight swim in the Persian Gulf is in order :cool:

UK must tackle ethnic tensions

US Census 2001 Click on 69 A more reliable source i think Christianity 105% increase Judaism 90% increase Islam 209% increase Buddism 269% increase Muslims Increased by 703,000 in number Buddists Increased by 681,000 in number Now that we have determined the top two (Islam then Buddism) from the official US Census 2001 figures, this proves your whole argument about other religions being ahead of Islam WRONG! ps enjoy stats from Canada, check out the second table, watch out now this may upset you even more Your move pinky

^^briefly read what you have just written so excuse me if i miss a babble or two,,,,, Secularism/irreligious does not bare any increase as the people are simply not practicing. How does that have a bearing on the figures? Someone who calls himself secular (ie not practicing) does not increase the numbers in another religion. They simply stay as they are (according to the stats). You get it? So you can discount that one. As i said the increases in Buddism i believe is due to to the high immigration of the late nineties (the doctors/nurses/taxi drivers). After Buddism comes Islam. The increases are due to more americans embracing Islam than immigrants coming to america. When you use numbers Islam is second to Buddism (due to more Immigrants) and not 5th when you disrgard secularism/irreligious as they are not seperate religions but rather people simply not practicing their faiths. Your getting boring SB, your clinging onto lifelines now

Since you haven't challenged my post where I showed Islam is 8th or 9th fastest growing religion in the US percentage wise, I'm assuming you accept it's validity. Validity accepted, percentage increases have very little bearing on the big picture. An increase of some 500,000+ is more meaningful than100%+ increases in other religions but with only 60,000+ increases in number. You comprehend what I’m getting at? You are depending on percentages increase rather than sheer numbers as it suits your current stance. Hence why you are pushing for it and hence why Islam is the fasting growing ‘religion’ being 'embraced' in numbers rather than due to a huge increase in immigration during the late 90s. For example, secular/irreligious numbered 13,116,000 in 1990. In 2001, their ranks swelled to 27,539,000. That's a 110% increase or 14,423,000 in raw numbers (1.4 million/year). Conversely, in the same time period Islam grew from mere 527,000 to 1,104,000. Again, percentage it's nearly identical to secular/irreligious with 109% increase. But added only 577,000 or 57k/year. Intrestingly, Budhism comes ahead of Islam if we go by raw numbers with 681000 new comers in the same time period. Secular and ‘irreligious’ are not religions and thus is not used when commenting upon religious trends. Only you would think secularism and ‘irreligious’ are religions. When someone on the street tells you hes an atheist would take that as a religion. Your deposit is rejected due to weak credit. Budhism comes ahead of Islam if we go by raw numbers with 681000 new comers in the same time period. Mainly due to immigrants You don't know what you're talking about. There's no manipulation involved; percentage increase convey different meaning from raw number increases. The different meaning is misleading whereas sheer numbers represent the ‘true’ picture. An increase of hundreds can mean a 200% increase whereas an increase in the hundred thousands is only 50%+. You get the picture babbler. It also suits your current stance so I would stick by the percentages. I mean, what is Christianity's untenability as a doctrine doing in a debate about whether Islam is fastest growing religion in the West? The reasons why so many Christians are embracing Islam? Did that get passed you? Or are simply not willing to acknowledge it? Now, you want to us to take quotes from hodgepodge of news outlets as authoritative source in place of real stats? Yes, but get this SB, the media sources are using the same stats but in addition they are using my philosophy of sheer numbers representing more of an accurate picture in-lieu of percentages. Looks like you sticking to your percentages argument, I cant blame as pride is something you seem enjoy having. I have caught your tedious bug

^^calm down now Homer, lets take a closer look at your stats. How do you define an increase? Not in percentage terms but by sheer numbers. Going by percentage increases is a manipulation of the truth Mr babbler. Sheer numbers is what we need to consider here but I know it doesn’t suit your current stance. But get a load of this, babble. According to your stats babbler, this is how the following should read when percentages are not considered. Buddhism + 681,000 Islam + 577,000 Hinduism + 539,000 Native American Religion + 56,000 Bahia + 56,000 New Age + 48,000 Sikhism + 44,000 Deity + 43,000 It would be really interesting to see today's picture as these figures are pre-2000. As I’m sure you know if one starts a new religion today, tomorrow it will grow by 100% when a new member joins. But lets look at numbers, the increases are significant in the USA towards Islam, which I believe is predominantly due to an increase in white/black ‘Americans’ embracing Islam together with a fewer number in immigrants. I believe the contrary with regard to Hinduism and Buddhism where much of the increase, i believe, is due to the immigrants coming to America rather than people embracing a new religion. Ie the proportion of people (Americans) embracing is far lower than the proportion of immigrants - the opposite of the increase in Islam. Now, if my notion is incorrect (and i'm quiet sure it is correct) why would this be overlooked by the sources i posted earlier? Why are they not using your stats? Are you going to tell me those media quotes are due to a pro-Islam view? Therefore, my previous assertions with regard to more westerners accepting Islam, I believe, is only proved right by the stats you provided. A higher number of westerners are accepting Islam compared to other religions was my initial point. Now this debate can veer into percentages vs numbers or whether we should debate religious increases with regard to immigrants. Its your choice Mr 'yippee i've won' ps Yo-yo, its what i call a brick wall syndrome, bang your head enough times and your bound to lose it babble away ps can you reply to a whole post as opposed to quoting a line here and a line there? Its quite tedious reading your replies.

What is it with you and anything involving Islam and Muslims? You spit your dummy out as sson as you see a thread. Take some time out, travel a little, read a little and learn a little. Its one thing being anti-islam/muslims but its another when its all based on 'what i heard' scenario. I will conclude our little discusion and shall waste no more time such petulant and inconsistant 'babbling'. peace and out

^^shes a dragon :eek: