^^Which post was that?

^^Please make sense

^^Can you play?

So this is what it takes to bring Viking back to the sports section?

^^All take your word for it coughs You didnt refute the pic of you though,,,,,

^^yesterday they were calling the ICU members fake wadaads. Today they try to 'educate' us on 'muslim' rulers

Duke is on the right. Nice gear you got on there Duke

It would be good to have an SOL match dont you think Duke? With a lenient referee,,,,,

Any sentiments towards your dead brothers and sisters in the south by US and Ethio bombs as confirmed by Oxfam? Cant say i'm surprised at a one tribe turn out in London though.

What about your dead brothers? Any thanks or prayers for them? Somalis never cease to amaze me!

Vaguely remember the name Dundas Sq. Good pics

Again, you seem you to be going from one subject to the other. What are we talking about here? Is the TFG a legal entity under Islam (killers/warlords are memebers)? Was the so called 'treaty' with Ethiopia legal? Both islamically and under secularism? Try to stick to the above questions and stop waffling and rememeber i'm after quality and not quantity. I will come back later,,,,,,,IA

Without reding most of your post,,,, So they were not opposing the government as a whole but what they wanted was that the country shall be ruled under Islamic rule and if Abdullahi Yusuf would do that then they would put their weapons down! Akhi, it's a reality that the courts by large recognised the Somali leadership and the TFG as being the sole leaders of Somalia and its goverment there opposition was only based to pressure that governmetn to adopt Islamic rule (shariicah) and remove the Ethiopians from the country, that's all nothing more nothing less! Did the TFG refuse to adopt sheria law? Was the presence of Ethiopian troops legal (both secularly/islamically)?

Updated KSA-UK-Oman-UAE-?

Fears stalk Somalia's capital once again By Mohamed Olad Hassan BBC News, Mogadishu Life in Mogadishu is still full of fear - the scars of Somalia's 16 year-old anarchy make everybody in the capital suspicious about the future. There is no reliable security because the streets have become a no-man's land. The government troops, and the Ethiopians forces who supported them to take the capital from the Islamists, are still confined to a few military compounds. Periodic gunfire still resounds about the city between various freelance militia and bandits who are taking advantage of the power vacuum. The troops are concentrating on their own safety rather than that of the entire city. Unknown gunmen have carried out four hit-and-run attacks against the government troops and their Ethiopian backers in the past two weeks. At least five people were killed and seven others wounded in the attacks. 'Mad drivers' Although the real identity of the attackers is unclear, it is widely believed they are the remnants of the Islamic courts' militias or others unhappy with the presence of the Ethiopians. Such random attacks have created fear among the civilians who had enjoyed relative safety under the Islamists' six-month rule. "Walking in the city at night is a scary one," says bus driver Ali Botan Sa'id. "Cars drive like mad and there are no traffic rules. "You can drive in any lane so it's difficult to avoid military vehicles and their possible attackers as you never know where they may appear from." Mohamed Mohamud Hilowle, a 28-year-old father of two whose family fled the recent fighting around the government base of Baidoa to a displacement camp in Mogadishu, told me his children go for days without food. "I work with my wheelbarrow to transport goods for people and pay the little money I earn for the food of my family; but for a week I was in bed for malaria and my children were in the streets begging," he says. Mr Hilowle says his one strong wish is to get a lasting peace so he can send his children to school. "I need peace; I need a government and I need employment as a labourer to support myself and my family," he says. Checkpoints Both the interim president and the prime minister are now in Mogadishu attempting to win the confidence of local people, civil society groups and academics. They have also met with two former veteran politicians, Abdulkassim Salat Hassan and Ali Mahdi Muhammad, who each have headed failed interim administrations during the civil war. The advice from one and all is to get Ethiopian troops to withdraw from the country and replace them with African peacekeepers. Meanwhile, the warlords who terrorised the capital before the rise of the Islamic courts, are back but are getting short shrift from residents who are fed up with them and clamouring for governance. But many fear that the clan-based warlords could organise themselves again if the lawlessness and insecurity persists. Roadblocks, where clan militia raise funds by extorting money from hapless motorists, have appeared on roads leading out of the capital. On Wednesday, police raided one checkpoint and 11 gunmen were captured and remanded to jail. 'Revenge' Mohamud Digsi, who runs a chemist shop, is pessimistic about hopes of reconciliation. For the government to stamp its authority on the capital, Mogadishu's clan militia need to join the army, which at the moment is mainly composed of soldiers from distrusted northern clans loyal to the president. But Mr Digsi does not see warlords easily complying to calls for disarmament and army integration. "These guys thrive on anarchy and will never make peace," he says. His feelings are also shared by taxi driver Aweis Mohamud. "Somalia is a nation held hostage by the gun and warlords - and unless real reconciliation is agreed among the various clans there is little chance of success for any government," he says. The air attacks carried out in the remote south of the country have also created fear among the ordinary Somalis. "The US has been silent about what has been going on in Somalia since the failure of the UN-led peace operation in 1995," says Abdu-kadir Abdulle whose relative died in an air strike on Sunday near Ras Kamboni. "Now it has started bombing our civilians, it is really revenge for the 18 US soldiers killed here," he says, referring to the incident in 1993 when two US helicopters were downed in Mogadishu. Others do not necessarily interpret the US intervention as revenge, but think it spells an end to any hope of meaningful help from the US to find a lasting peace. Salad Ahmadey agrees and says the US is only pursuing its "war on terror" and is not really interested in seeing Somalia stand on its own two feet. "No-one is committed to help us. Every Somali is for himself," the 25-year-old businessman says. Warlords are rejoining and there is no peace whatever in Somalia. The only peace that we had was when the Islamists were in control. The Ethiopian soldiers are in Somalia but get attacked every few minutes. Omar, Mogdishu I am really disappointed. I don't know what to do. People of my age in Somalia have no future. They did not go to school because of warlords. Mohamud Bashir, Nairobi, Kenya I'm an 18-year old high school student I took most of my time in anarchy except six months of reliable security and free from worry. Now we are in the hands Ethiopia. My mother suggested to me to stop going to school until the security comes. That is great problem because I'll miss some of my last class lessons. I request the international community to look the new colonial period which is damaging my future. Tahliil Olaad Hassan, Mogadishu bbc.co.uk

Amiin

^^do i need to be asked?

Americans :rolleyes: Looks like you all need babysitting 24/7. I dont log on for one day and everyone is at eachother's throats! JAB - stop insulting people LZ - likewise Jay - Likewise anyone else - likewise Its just a silly game played by oversized negroes who dont give a hoot about you! Funny thing is i can school you all Now lets all get rid of the dummy and grow up!

^^Amiin Do you know why they are dead? A row over a parking space!

Originally posted by Abu_Geeljire: Good topic sheikh..Firstly let me say this is an overdue debate and one we somalis need to think very seriously about.The disbelievers could set the trap of pitting muslim against muslims as they have done in Iraq resulting in the blood of the muslims becoming halal for one another.This is what the late Abudallah Azzam warned the followers of the muslim brotherhood(Bin Laden and co) about ie fighting muslims government thus spilling the blood of the muslims. We pray inshallah that this is averted in somalia.Although we have already made our blood halal in the last sixteen years(qabil). Regarding somalia firstly we must ask what exactly is the definition of a "muslim ruler"?In the case of the the islamic courts and the transitional federal government could we not argue that the islamic courts where infact the rulers as they controlled a larger stretch of land?This is why the defintion of a ruler is neccesary, because, islamically speaking who where the legitimate rulers of somalia? Secondly there are two further issues which need to be clarified. Firstly it is regarding the somali warlords whom are know part of the government. They kidnapped ulema,spilled the blood of the muslims and even used some mosques as rubbish sites.In reality they where an obstacle to Islam.Thus the people of southern somalia rebelled against them.Is it permissable again, islamically speaking to rebel against them once again?Secondly in this particular instance, somalia has been invaded by a predominantly non muslim state Ethiopia.What is the islamic ruling on A.a "muslim" government suposedly inviting a non muslim army to invade other muslims and even bomb them in the case of America?B. Do the islamic courts have a right to resist the invasion of the Ethiopians,T.F.G and somali warlords, is this a rebelion or a legitimate struggle in the path of Allah swt? Quote:Educate yourself brother from the culuma of this religion the likes of Sheikh Bin Baz, Sheikh Albani, Sheikh Al-Cuthaymiin, Sheikh Muqbil and Sheikh Rabici! Aren't these the same people who made fatwas allowing the invasion of iraq and promote the teachings of a rebellious group(Abdul Wahab and the followers of Saud) who themselves came to power in the arabian Peninsula by the sword and rebbeling againt the Calipha at that time? some good points there.

Lastly, I found a new way to differentiate them I realised one nations speaks Arabic while the other don't... shocker! :eek:

Key Somali warlords agree to disarm Dead and wounded Somali men lie on the ground after clan gunmen fired a rocket-propelled grenade and exchanged gunfire with government troops outside the presidential residence in Mogadishu. link

I wish i played!

Allahu aclam who is a muslim and who is not today in the Somali political demagraphics. Does a man remain a muslim when he sanctioned a non-muslim people to invade the land of the muslims and kill muslims? An shiekh recently said no when asked on national TV - Islam Channel, UK. What a debate! Take it to Islam section

without reading most of the replies,,,, Is Somalia about to be signed off to the UN/IMF/World Bank by a bunch of criminals?