Arabic is usually only spoken by Arabs hence why its in the middle.

Ya Hunguri, thanks for your post. With regard to the reconciliation conference (which I doubt was the idea of the TFG by the way), yes it’s very much needed and yes all sides should take part in this effort. But I can guess the main sticking point will be the occupying forces. Questions will be raised as to how long these guys will be staying. No matter what anyone says, trust cannot be obtained when you have an occupying force in place. If the country is in the control of the TFG (like Duke always says), then why the need for Xabashi/AU forces? Does this not defeat the purpose of ‘unity’? Again, I have the feeling that the TFG is being encouraged to invite AU forces by Ethiopia. How will the TFG gain the trust of the people considering its members were warlords who kept Somalia in chaos for 16 years? I hope the pro TFG camp can give us an insight into how this can be achieved with a well-written piece.

Occupying forces have been in Somalia since the turn of the year and that’s not forgetting the thousands already present before the war. These forces, incase we have forgotten, came to the country to kill Muslims who had the audacity to try and implement Sheria law and rid their people of external forces who armed and financed the warlords. Today, we have Somalis promoting and supporting the occupation of their country with their thinking ‘officially’ based on the support for Transitional Government. However, members within this same ‘govnt’ were responsible for what can be termed as the ‘status quo’ before June 2006. This ‘status quo’ involved extortion, killings, rape, roadblocks and zero safety for the public at large. Those responsible for these crimes are today calling those who brought about a semblance of peace, law and order during the latter months on 2006, terrorists. Considering the mammoth task ahead for this ‘govnt’, how do its supporters feel confident about the future? How will last year’s warlord be a model citizen today? With discord amongst the people, how is the ‘govnt’ going to bring them back into the fold and convince them that there is a brighter future? When will the fighting stop? When will people be confident again of landing in Xamar for business or pleasure? Will this ‘govnt’ be a puppet regime? NOTE: All are welcome to post but I want the pro TFG crowd to give us something to chew on apart from the usual cheerleading. One-liners are not welcome, promises that things will get better without a clear and concise rationale will not be accepted. Its time to step up your game as it were, man up, punch harder etc.

loooooool Now that made me laugh

Rudy, why blame the TFG fans saxib? :confused:

We got the team we wanted - PSV. A good draw for us. They might aswell give us the cup already. Get it over and done with. Just present it to us at UEFA headquarters! Man Utd's luck will run out vs Roma. Chelsea vs Valencia is a tough one to call. I want Chelsea out! Milan vs Bayern is easy. Mr Makaay and Mr Salihamidscic will run them ragged. Milan are weak this year.

How the hell can a Muslim "VOTE OUT" something that is in the deen? Saxib, lets look at things in perspective. I didnt see this particular debate but i can guess the audience was made up of mainly college kids. I can also guess not much in the way of religious opinion on the subject was discussed. Therefore, making it a question of 'integration' rather than whether the niqaab is wajib/recommended etc and wether one should compromise in order to 'fit-in'. I was just highlighting the mentality of some Arabs/Muslims when they are in non-Muslim lands. They do compromise the niqaab/hijaab in order to fit in and not look out of place whereas those who reside there may think twice. I think this should be explored. The niqaab issue has been discussed in previous threads on SOL.

Monkey see monkey do,,,,,,,,,,

Arabs are Arabs. Just take a walk down central london in the summer and spot how many (who are on holiday from ME) have dropped the niqaab/hijaab to 'fit-in'. Not surprised at all at the result of the vote.

Milan will lose hansomly!

The play was based on a Somali family living in the UAE. The old man loses his job which means he will be going home. His wife and three sons refuse to go back to Somalia so he leaves them behind. One son can only speak af carabi and only watches/listens to arabic (who does that remind me of tolow? ) One is a typical Somali. One is a party animal and only speaks english. The old man returns with all three in police custody. Heres a With characters like Cambarro Canjeelo and Jama Forjery (forgery) you know your in for a good laugh! Rocko, thanks. What a hees ey? Dabshid, the young ones look very well organised i must. They need to do away with the af carabi during introductions though.

dlt

MMA do you have the lyrics for the song i mentioned earlier? ps i hope to post video footage (snippets) of last nights ruwaayed later IA

Dabshid thanks for letting me know about the event. Very enjoyable it was. I did hear a H A Samater song tonight,,, Abuurti wacneyde illahay sameyeeeey, Somalida ahayde,,,,, :cool: What a song!

Still waiting jb!

^^I think Bayern are already in the final! Arsenal are simply Arsenal. They will be back next year. Dont want Chelski in Semis!

See you there,,,too bad about the food

What time saxib? Its actually near my place. Is it ok to bring young kids? ps any food?

Quarter-final draw AC Milan v Bayern Munich PSV Eindhoven v LIVERPOOL Roma v MANCHESTER UNITED CHELSEA v Valencia (First legs to be played on 3/4 April and second legs on 10/11 April) Semi-final draw CHELSEA or Valencia v PSV Eindhoven or LIVERPOOL Roma or MANCHESTER UNITED v AC Milan or Bayern Munich (First legs to be played on 24/25 April and second legs on 1/2 May) Let the games begin! Arsenal were the only team i was afraid of,,

Originally posted by Dabshid: Girls, hold your heard up, we are in temporary state, and you should not be ashamed of your identity, and your country. Ibti, I am doing something for my country, and I love my country so much, I know it is in bad shape, BUT nobody will FIX, except Somalis. Tonight, I am taking part in organising somali function for the somalis in UAE,and this will help, for example the kids who grow up here be proud, and learn more about their beautiful country, and culture, please visit SYC for more details , tickets 30 AED. I think you will need to speak arabic to the UAE kids tonight! In Dubai or AD?

Somalis tend to be very judgemental on anything Saudi. Why is that horta?

From the same source,, Islam Without Muslims; Muslims Without Islam Lubna Hussein, forlubna@hotmail.com “What happens if a woman goes to court here?” asked my father. “What do you mean?” I counterquestioned. “What I mean is that if a woman goes to court is she treated as an individual or are her rights based on her gender?” “Depends on the case, I guess,” I said. “Come on,” he interjected sarcastically. “Don’t start telling me that women are treated in the manner that has been commanded by God. According to His Law they should be treated as equals. You know that that’s not the case here.” “You just have to look around at the horrific miscarriages of justice to know that that’s definitely not the case,” he emphasized. “My point is that as much as we try to find fault with the West, one thing is for sure: I would feel far more secure with their system of justice if I were a woman than I would with the one we have here.” “Yes, in a way you’re right,” I began, “but Islam did give women rights over 1,400 years ago that the so-called civilized world has only started to recognize recently.” “You’re intelligent enough to know that having rights and not being entitled to them is just as good as not having them at all. In the Qur’an, when a man decides to divorce his wife, God Orders him to leave his wife on an equitable basis and is required to support her. Am I right?” he asked, quoting the verse and chapter. “Of course,” I agreed. “So if we are really honest with ourselves, does the law here enforce that or even recognize it in part?” “Not that I know of,” I admitted. “Alright. This means that a woman can quite literally be booted out of her house on to the street with nowhere to go; and if she tries to extract any right or entitlement from her husband, will the court support her in this? Have you ever heard of a Saudi man who is scared of the consequences of not paying his wife alimony or stealing her dowry because he might be taken to court?” “No,” I conceded thinking of all the women I knew who had had this scenario forced upon them without any hope of recourse. “Exactly,” he said, having won the argument. “It’s disgusting to think that the courts can overlook the word of God when it comes to preserving and upholding the whole concept of male domination. Judges relish sentences that chastise women for petty matters. You see the way the outwardly pious love to stop women in the street to point out strands of hair that may have escaped their veils or question the identity of the men around them; but when it comes to guaranteeing them their God-given rights they miraculously disappear!” “Yes,” I said, reflecting upon what he said. “You’re right.” “A woman cannot even gain custody of her children in a court of law. What sort of a mandate gives the automatic guardianship of little girls over to the hands of a father and stepmother even when a mother is perfectly capable of looking after them? You of all people should know what that feels like. What’s more, the status and importance of a mother in Islam is such that Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) himself said that paradise lies beneath the feet of one’s mother and that a mother’s value is three times greater than that of any other individual.” “Yes,” I agreed. It was this very conversation that played in my head when I read two articles printed side by side in the paper this week. One of them highlighted the fact that there are many single mothers and divorcees in society who are denied welfare due to trivial bureaucratic matters and thus forced to live below the poverty line. Imagine that. In Saudi Arabia, one of the wealthiest countries in the world, women are reduced to begging on the streets because the law does not recognize their needs. What kind of an interpretation of Islam is that when our faith is based on a spirit of egalitarianism? When verses upon verses of the Qur’an command us to look after the wretched of our society? As if that was not bad enough, the adjacent piece highlighted the obstacles that Saudi women married to foreigners have to endure. Whereas a Saudi man may obtain citizenship for his wife and his children, a Saudi woman is not entitled to the same privilege if she marries a non-Saudi. Upon what spurious logic this decision is based upon I do not profess to know, but what I do know for sure is that it has nothing to do with religion. The great Islamic scholar of the 19th century, Muhammad Abdo wrote that when he visited the West he found Islam but no Muslims and upon his return to the Arab world he countenanced many Muslims but no Islam. I am beginning to see his point

AU aircraft on fire in Mogadishu AJE

^^They are all bad losers saxib. What if get valencia :confused:

Originally posted by Taliban: quote:Originally posted by Northerner: Implying people will be dishonest without proof or even knowing them is not a good thing. Are you saying it's OK to trust people you don't know? If you dont trust them dont pay! Simple. Use other means but by publicly stating so and so 'may' use sadaqa money dishonestly without knowing them has its own consequences dont you think? Besides your intention and reward for sadaqa doesnt change