^^^ Erm, ..., horta thank you , coolness! SisSade and raula, aamiin kuligeen illaahey hanoo soo sahlo Thankx sisters.

My Sister Hibo Nuro, Maybe you went to the wrong Sokoni where they sell old and spoiled Viazi which is grown only in Mzee Mwangi's shamba,you should come to Kariobangi where they sell the best and the fresh looking Viazi in the entire Mathare Neigborhood even far better than those in Kibera. Looooool Somalsujui, ati viazi ... hehe

Waxa Aan La Ooyaayo Ilamdu Iiga Qubaneyso Ikhtiyaar Nin Loo Diidey Ayan ahey Jumatatu, anyone with a signature as such is surely wise enough. Sxb I know what you mean...the word 'sick' is what maansoor tokk as an offence....marka dont worry kaka. we are all cool, i hope

Jumatatu, sxb take it easy! Please mind your use of words Mansoor - yes personal attacks are not allowed and that insulting bit has been edited. Guys, this is a beautiful and interesting topic... so lets just enjoy. We don't often get people of first hand experiance telling us about our motherland. Em, thankx...Mansoor nice pics bro thankx

Well, I have no say about what Saddam did or didn't, since all I know of him and 'his alleged atrocities' were narrated to me by what I believed to be a biased media and propaganda. Who I am to judge some with one side of the story? And as sister Magnoona rightly raised, if he is a culprit, how about Sharoon, the Bushes and blair? If what we are talking about is in the context of fair judgment and clarity, other leaders too must be brought before justuce. Its very clever of some to expect Muslims to condemn their bad and condone other societes' bad ones; sharoon,blair and bushes. We shouldn't fall victim to a psychological divide and conquer, or infect our societies with the contegious 'democracy'.

Em, I second you: Long live our Motherland.

^^^ what are the achievements of field ones? What was Martin lurther King, a field one or a house one? Who said cosby is a house one by the way, proofs? I think cosby's words were right on the spot. Same needs to be said to Somalis.

NGONGE, I have chased after many a Ostrich, and surely the one in the picture resembles the Somali type. Oh d'you know for what purposes their egg-shells are used? Containers of liquids. Ostrich = Goroyo. Have you seen them dance? It is said they dance very elegantly. There is a Somali idiom that says: Markii loo geel heesayaad goroyo u heestaa. Meaning, you are digressing from a given topic. (exactly what'am doing now )

Because reason is by itself ill-equiped to grasp what is outside it (for instance Faith), a reasonable individual may make the mistake of providing more credit than it deserves. Being reasonable means being able to comprehend all situations - within reason and without. One must have varying abilities, rather than one ability, to accept and explain various other situations. I am a Muslim because I belief Islam will deliver me from Hell and evil. I bear witness that there is no god worthy of worship except Allaah, and Muhammad (PBUH) is His messenger.

Subxaanallaah! Is all I can say.

It’s not scared but there is nothing wrong with wanting it to signify something better than this! NGONGE, when I contemplated what the name 'Somali' stands for, I realised that we have been fed an ancestral lie. Whether one endeavours to signify the name 'Somali' with better things or not, the 'Essence of Somaliness' (which happens to be the title of a piece of writing I am currently working on) is itself questionable. Somaliness hides uglier things than a big brother member, it MAY BE a sham!

Salaala! Lo! raula, lol sasa unatukumbusha masiku zile tulio-zi-sahau .. Have you heard of something called "Emergency Brake!!"... Standing behind innocent women in the matatu and when they complain... "Hebu, mbona unanipush hivo?" and the guy would say "Aaah! wacha zako wewe, sijaku-push.. hiyo emergency break!!so poa!"

Sahal, I have no other avenue than diplomacy brother, for I am a man in need of knwoledge - from whomever and wherever it is available. Salafi - akhi.. I shall insha-allaah, practice patience in the place of virtue. I am dreadfully sorry if my request troubles you. Shukran Kathiiran ...

The name 'Somali' is sacred not, rather, its like football; it enters in whichever goal-net ones kicks it to.

Originally by Salafi: there was just too many errors on that thread Salafi, it would be very good of you if you highlight for us (those who are less knowledgable) the errors you've spotted. Are the errors contained in the 'initial' quotes of Ayats, the Xadiths or the conjunctions and connectives made by Al-Qaradaawi? Educate me brother. I love knowledge

-Ninkii Ceysaan Weydiinteeda Kugu Dhibo, Wadiddeedaa Lagu Dhibaa -Nin Weyn Tag Lama Yidhaahdee, Wuxuu ku Tagaa Tusaa -Habar Bowd Fadhida Loo Baahaneeya -Waa La Doogiye Yaan La Dacaroon -Nin Abeeso Koriyow, Adigaa U Aayi -Hal Xaaraan Ah Nirig Xalaal ah Ma dhasho -Amba Afeef Hore lahow Amba Adkeysi Dambe Lahow -Geed Weliba Dhecaankiisuu Dhalaa -Xaasaska Saddex ayeey u qaybasamaan: 1-Kuu Kacdo, 2-Kula Kacdo, iyo 3- Kaadideed U Kacdo.

.... and their attack consists of Wayne Roony only. He’s very likely to receive a yellow card tonight (if not a red as the Croatians already promised). I really have no comments!

Lol@fat kid. Vibrations with laughter

Marka Holland laga badiyaan ka haray fiirsashada EURO2004.

The point that you both miss in your analysis is the childcare part NGONGE, You could say I missed a point, though I only analysed work and home not childcare. You mentioned a crucially important aspect of the family life and in that aspect, the wife has to do all a mother must do; to look after kids. Breastfeeding and other necessary maternal issues come into the category of preliminary needs of the child. Such categority has to be satisfactorily dealt with. NGONGE: ...the house-buying bit; why not go into business PS: I think we need a topic called: Influence and Education: Preliminary Years Of Somali Infants:Child (conceptional engineering).

Aside from cultural expectations, there are some scenarios Nomads: (UK only) Scenario one: Mr. X and his wife doesn't work. They both stay at 'home'. Scenario two:Mr.Y works but his wife doesn't work and stays at 'home'. Scenario three:Mr. Z works and his wife works and so his wife doesn't stay at 'home. The common denominators in these 3 scenarios are 'home' and 'work'. Home = Shelter (Primary Need) Work = Provision of Food (Primary Need). And to have a family with strong foundation, you must own a home. You can rent, but then, this may bring financial uncertainty. Any minute when work finishes, the family's foundation may hang in the balance. How can one escape this uncertainty? [/b]There are 3 options [/b]that are open to Husbands and Wives of scenario 1,2, and 3. Option one: BE ON THE DOLE (social security income) and land on a council house[/b]. This is surely an easy way out of the uncertainty one might be facing, but if the intention was to build a family with a strong foundation, then another problem arises. Council estates usually home impoverished families (who, because of their income can't afford to buy a home), and since unemployment and social exclusion are rife, such evironment may hinder one's efforts to establish better family with strong sound foundations. Option two: HUSBAND WORKS and earns salary, but faces the difficulty of buying a home in a short period of time (usually mortgates stretch years (at least 20) on end). Allahu Yac'lum, but the chances are that you might run into financial diffulties, if, incase one runs out of contract or work. This unemployment may affect the provisions of the family and the process of buying a home. Again this brings with it a sudden turn of events. Who knows what else could happen? The wife may leave.... and so on. Option three: BOTH HUSBAND and WIFE WORK. At least this way, both parties may contribute to family income and buy a home together more quickly. I know this is very attractive, BUT, who knows, one could be financially secure and not comfortable in other matters of the realtionships. The reason could be that the Husband may need more attention or may feel jealous in whatever way or even intimidated by the wife's better earning. However, if there is no such thing as jealousy, intimidation and crave for attention or even no such thing as egoticism, Option three sounds viable, financially or maybe otherwise. If anything, I'd like to be sure that my future wife is who she is when I first marry her. If she is who she is, then, it will show in even when she earns more, works in a better job and contributes more than me. That is, if my male ego doesn't shadow my judgment and reason. PS: thats strickly my opinion .... and I am sure there is a difference of opinion. And as it stands, birds of different feathers flock together.

^^^ you are welcome sis ... Dhoodaan's poetry is superb. Have you heard his 'Jacbur' Cassette lol .. you will laugh your head off... he says - Geel Hotel galay oo rooti ku casheeyey - Bakeyle weyseystey oo foodda dhiganaaya - Dawoco suuq taaganoo xoolo gadaneysa .. -etc.. OG - maybe someone will translate the poem of dhodan you posted ... i will try too, to translate it .. if i can that is!

^^^^ Loool ... well, I guess I do son! But I was keeping it secret . I think its no more secret. Thankx bro... Juxa, thank you very much for the ducada; 'jir oo joog', aamiin :)It has been so long since I heard it said.. Kuligeen ... Dawoco, thank you very much .. insha-allaah time next year will be better for all of us... OG-girl .. sweetheart, thankx huuno Rudy, thankx bro.... i'll keep rocking lol Moti lol .. waa lagugu ogaa falaad xumada sxb ... inkasto I am the only one who got your back, hadana maxaad cimri degdeg iigu ridi laakiin. Illaahoow ceebteena astur, cajiib! "you look beautiful"? oo 'you look handsome' miyaad ka wadaa?

yaanyuur bissad mukulaal curri daba-caddeeye Lol Nuune....many names for one clan iga dheh Yaanyuur, Bissad, iyo Mukulaal = Normal felines, and the connotations seem to resound with some innocence. Like, "Oh! lookie here, its my fav'rite bissad, yaanyuur or mukulaal!" (depending on one's accent). Yaanyuur is usually used for cat by people who reside in Waamo and NFD regions. Curri= when the cat over-grows its age and become stronger and Daba-cadde to some or Daba-caddeeye to others means the type of cat that takes out chickens at nights... another kind of a night predator of chicken is Xoor = this little animal is said to be dangerous and if it bites once it never lets go until you kill it lol (i think this is mythical). Bissad = the name of cat used by peoples of Northern regions. Mukulaal = is the name for cat used by peoples in areas of the South.. usually Banadir and its adjacent regions. Correct me if I am wrong. -- Now my turn: Baamboow Qumbulaa Xantalaai

Where there's about a Thousand Muslims to every One Jew Arafat was Duct taped beggin for forgiveness for his wrongs He was shipped to the United Snakes Lol True true, true say