Originally posted by N/AA: [You cannot go three ways is if those three clans own Kismaayo equally or by themselves sxb. Puntlanders belong to Puntland and have no ties to Kismaayo, as do the people of Gedo, and so people of Afmadow. Whoever is the majority in Kismaayo will take over reigns. Majority rule, minority rights. As for Puntland itself, no one would be discussing their connection to this issue had not the president thought of sending his armed boys in an island they cannot get out of. Had the president not been Abdullahi Yusuf, who would be talking about Puntland fighting in Kismaayo when even the majority of Morgan's solders were of RRA/SRRC stock collected from Xuddur to Baydhaba? Their claim to the city is as citizens, not shareholders. Xaajadu waa sidaas maxaa been laysugu sheegi? N/AA, I disagree with you on the fact that reer Puntland and Afmadow have no ties to Kismaayo sxb. Speaking from factual position, I alone have a great number of families born and bred in Kismaayo and still have them living there. As a member of a business family living in both Somalia and Kenya, I really cannot brush aside the presence of reer Puntland from Kismaayo, neither can I do the same for reer Afmadow. These groups of people populated Kismaayo before the civil war. Many of them fled from Kismaayo and Jubada Hoose during the 1988 war between reer Waamo and reer Gedo. As for reer Puntland, many fled in the early 1990s when Ceydiid was pushing towards Kismaayo. I was in Dhoobleey then. So sxb, with all due respect, these groups cannot be brushed off as having no connection with Kismaayo.

^^Xaafi, sidaan ognahay, there are previous enmities between reer Afmadow iyo reer Gedo going back to the Cabaas-Waal era of 1988/9, which saw the displacement of thousands from Afmadow, Taabda, Qooqaani ilaa dhoobleey. The same has been the case on the other side of the border- Hoosingow illaa Amuuma (where Col. Axmad Bililiqo died)- and also Diif. Marka, it would seem plausible that, triggered by recent Dhoobleey incidents, reer Afmadow might insist on war rather than reconciliation. This, however, is something I doubt. If anything, I believe reer Afmadow are simply uniting their efforts with the boys that have the 'big Ethiopian guns', which heralds the best chance of success.

Odayaasha Gobolka Galguduud oo lagu wargeliyay inay hubkooda ay soo wareejiyaan Posted to the Web May 09, 13:15 Guriceel:-Odoyaal iyo waxgarad ka soo jeeda gobolka G/gaduud ayaa kulan la qaatay saraakiil itoobiyaan ah iyaga oo ka wada hadlay arimo badan waxaana lagu war galiyey in hubkooda ay ku soo wareejiyaan Df mudo dhan 12 cisho. Kulankan ayaa waxa uu ka dhacay Magaalada shilaabe ee dalka itoobiya wuxuuna socday laba maalmood waxaana ka qeyb galay Odayaal dhaqameed ka kala yimid Magaalooyinka dhuusa-Mareeb iyo guraceel. Odayaasha ayaa waxaa casumaad u fidiyey Col.ka tirsan ciidanka Itoobiya isaga oo u sheegay in dowlada itoobiya aysan ogalaan doonin hub aan hoos imaan DF Col.ayaa waxaa lagu magacaabaa korneyl Thru . Waa kulankii ugu horeeyey oo ay yeeshaan odayaasha G/galgaduud iyo Saraakiil Itoobiyaan ah waxaana ay wararka qaar sheegayaan in odayaasha lagu casumay in ay yimaadaan Magaalo madaxda dalka itoobiya ee Addis-Ababa si ay kulan ula qaataan Males Zanawi. Axmed Cali Wadaad Halgan.net

^^So you don't blame him saying but you blame who take notes of what he says? Waa ku sidee ninyow adiga? You are shooting the messenger hada.

^^Wax lagu qoslo wuu istaahila Ina-Beer-Loox.

Yeah, right!

^^Now, be a good girl and heed the advice of your older sister, D&D . She knows what she's talking about. And look down when you are talked you. Yes, that a girl .

Dawlada KMG ah oo go,aan ku gaartay in magaalada Kismaayo gacantooda ka maqantah Radio-WidhWidh Kismaayo)9-05-7Kadib markii war bixino laga dhegaysatay wafdi dawladu u dirtay magaalada kismaayo si ay xilliyaan dhibaatadii halkaas ka dhacay, oo ay wax uga so suurtoobi waayeen, ayaa dawlada FS sheegtay in magaalada Kismaayo gacantoodaka maqan tahay. Warar hadda soo baxaya ayaa sheegaya in dawladu halkaas u diray ciidamo ay leedahay iyo kuwa Ethiopian oo gacan siinaya ,kuwaas oo maalmaha ina ku soo fool leh halkaas gaari doona. Ciidamada ku sii jeeda magaalada Kismaayo ayaa si wada jir ah hubka uga dhigi doona, kooxo halkaasi isaga soo horjeeda inkastoo kooxda magaalada banaanka looga saaray aysan weli shaacin wax dagaal ah. Dhinaca kale odayaasha magaalada Kismaayo ayaa shalay walaac ka muujiyey in dhinacyada qabsday magaalada iyo dawladu uu dhex maray xiriir hoose, magaaladana dawladu aysan gacan siin, waxaase hadda arintaasi u muuqataa mid aan shaqanayn oo dawladu go,aan ka qaadatay. Magaalada Kismaayo ayaa waxaa ka dhacay qalalaase galaaftay dhimashada 44 ruux, halka ay dhaawacmeen intaasi in ka badan. Kooxaha magaalada qabsaday ayaa isugu jira malayshiyo beeleedyo iyo ciidan dawladu tababaratay oo ku biiray kuwaasi oo sida wararka qaar sheegayaan gacan ka helay ganacsato magaalada ku sugan. Mahamud Said Salaad

The Ataturk of Somalia ayaa shab-dhawanaya adeer. Until the mass is secularized and the moqsues are turned to museums, him and his guardians in Addis wont rest. Today Indh0-Shereer tomorrow wax kale....

^^Wallee waa runtaa. Hada labada dibada jooga ee saaxiibada ah, berito markay wax isla waayaan iyagaa is hardiyi doona. Markaaseey labadoodu mid ka mid ah la heshiin doona kuwa gudaha ku jira . Its a classic yo-yo game - i jiid aan ku jiide. Unless a deal that divides the power of Kismaayo equally to these three sides is reached, the 'vicious circle' you have spoken of seems the inevetable outcome. Sidii roon rabbaa og.

Originally posted by Dhubad: Hadaba xaaladu way cakirantahay....! Allow sahal umuuraha. Amiin. Dhubad, dhibka jiraa wuxuu yahay, in dad badani aaminsan yihiin in hadii dowladdu hergasho oo waliba ciidama nabad ilaalin ah oo badan la keeno in qabiil waliba halka uu haysto loo calaamayn doono, oo loo aqoonsan doono in uu isaga leeyahay. That is the whole point of 'peece-keeping'. Keeping people apart to avert war- like Kosovo and Serbia today. So, waxa suurta gal ah in some of the members of the TFG ay rabaan in ay reer Gedo ka ritaan Kismaayo before aaney iman the peace-keeping troops. And since they currently have the means to wage war, they consider now the right time to wage it. Hence, the insistance on war and not reconciliation. The opposite is the case with reer Gedo who don't want Kismaayo to get out of their hands. Kuwi kale intey iyaga isku sii jeedeen ayaa Kismaayo laga fara-maroojiyey.

^^Lol. I think I misread you . [edit]Contentless, you say? hmmm! This word gives me even more ammo to shoot at you .

^^Yes, you're 'engaging in repetition, deviation and hasitation' . You remember the BBC Radio 4 game, right? Oh, you are Swedish, illeen. I am simply saying, accuse these guys of making 'countless posts' when you are in fact making less posts . You see the logic? When you do that, it sticks! But now, its kinda disapointing, you see.

Originally posted by TheSomaliEconomist: Yes, you should really leave this thread before you expose more of your contentless argumentation. Repeated again below. Originally posted by TheSomaliEconomist: ^^^^ Again, your playing on the worn out and unsubstantial "yey-is-your-uncle" card. I thought you could do better than that. I personally don't care who runs the country whether that be Yey or Riyaale or Sheikh Sharif as long as that someone is running a national government and not playing local indian chief. Secondly, the whole TFG administration is just transitional which you ppl dont seem to understand. Contentless posts is the word of the day. SomaliEconomist, do you realize that you have posted more posts in this topic that Ana Juwa and Mj. Badda Cas put together? Now, can you repeat the 'word of the day' again? I mean the 'Contentless posts is the word of the day'. Yes, thats the one. If you do, that would be your eigth or maybe ninth post today in this topic . So, you would only be describing yourself .

^^Hahahaha lol@unles it is for forplay ...lol an exception to the rule that is even encouraged .

^^Calm down dear, it is only a discussion .

Someone make us Free Nadaara banners. Where are the computer wizzards? The brother needs all the help he can get.

^^Thats the wife's job. Take note. Its your future job when you are married. To fetch water and make tea for the husband. Include that in your 'responsibilities of a wife' diary book .

Now the ladies have started to realize that obedience is, after all the feminist mambo jambo, the make or break factor in relationships. We have been telling you ladies about this since time immemorial, but you decided in aad Xeerada salkeeda soo taabantaan . 'Tis time you bring out the Raaliyo in you ladies oo aad reerkiina dhaqataan . Shaaha yaan lala soo daahin oo hala ii keeno intaan Joornaal akhrisanayo, hadii kale...

Somalia: AU delays funding peacekeeping mission Tue. May 08, 2007 09:28 am.- By Mohamed Abdi Farah (SomaliNet) The African Union (AU) has delayed paying allowances to the Ugandan peacekeepers in volatile Somalia since they deployed two months ago, Xinhua news agency reports. Maj. Felix Kulayigye, the army spokesman, was quoted by the state owned New Vision on Tuesday as saying that the 1,500 troops who were deployed under the African Union Mission to Somalia (AMISOM) have not yet received their allowances. "They have not been given the money yet," Kulayigye said but noted that the Ugandan Ministry of Defense had paid the troops their normal salaries. In the deal signed with the AU, every soldier on the African peacekeeping mission would receive an allowance of 400 U.S. dollars on top of their normal salary, while another 100 dollars would go to the Ugandan government. According to the agreement, injured soldiers were to be compensated at a rate of between 100,000 dollars and 150,000 dollars depending on the degree of injuries. In case of death, the family was to receive 100,000 dollars. Alpha Konare, chairman of the AU Commission, recently said that lack of funds was hampering the deployment of other peacekeepers. "Countries like Burundi, Nigeria, Ghana and others have pledged troops but they cannot deploy due to financial problems. If other countries do not commit troops soon, it will be a total disaster for Africa," Konare said here late last month. Gen. Aronda Nyakairima, Uganda's Chief of Defense Forces, said that whereas the financial problem exists, the important thing is that the country is now stabilizing. "We are aware of the constraints. But what is more important is that there is no more war in Mogadishu. Our soldiers are participating in humanitarian work. They are doing well as they wait for others to come in," he said. Maj. Gen. Benon Biraaro, who was recently appointed to the AU Planning Unit in Addis Ababa, confirmed that the peacekeepers in Darfur and in Somalia had not yet been paid allowances. An 8,000-strong AU force is needed to stabilize war-ravaged Somalia but only half of that number has been promised. Uganda is so far the only country that has sent 1,500 peacekeepers to Somalia. Source: Xinhua ---- They can't even afford to pay the Generals responsible for Dar Fur and Somalia. They are strapped for cash and even the African Union soldiers that are to come to Somalia have been promised incentives. I have this feeling that other African Union countries are reluctant to send troops because they see Uganda going unpaid. I remember East African coutries sending soldiers to Bosnia in the early 90s and soldiers getting good money. But in Somalia's case, its collecting pennies. And the Africans won't have it. The leaders are used to large amount of bribery and funds swindling.

Ethiopian presence a tinderbox May 08, 2007 By Gamal Nkrumah IT WAS messy. Figures can mislead. It is not just the numbers that kept changing. Nobody knows for sure how many Ethiopian troops are stationed in Somalia, and nobody knows how many Somalis have been killed as a result of the Ethiopian military intervention in Somalia. Statistics tell part of the story. In the past six weeks an estimated 400,000 Somalis have fled the fighting in the war-battered Somali capital Mogadishu. What is certain is that the Ethiopians were and are unwelcome. In an unprecedented move, the African Union (AU) dispatched 1,600 Ugandan peace-keepers to Mogadishu to replace the Ethiopian troops. The Ethiopians remain, and have not indicated when they will leave or even if they will leave. It is unclear if the Ugandans will be as unwelcome as the Ethiopians in Somalia. Somalia under the rule of the Council of Islamic Courts (CICs) was transforming itself from a country of civil war and political chaos into a country with a future, however austere, under the leadership of the CICs. Cries of "totalitarianism" and the institutionalisation of an "oppressive theocratic state" were hurled at it. The legal process was according to Islamic Sharia law. Secularists regarded this as evidence that the country was moving backwards. But, that was far better than the uncontrollable collapse of the society and political system that the Western- backed invasion precipitated. With the Western-backed Transitional Federal Government (TFG) sitting in the wings, under the CICs there was no question of tolerating or even encouraging a vigorous, secular opposition. The embattled TFG was besieged in Baidoa, central Somalia, and had no credibility. Worse, it was incapable of defending itself and was utterly dependent on the Ethiopian army to prop it up. Under these circumstances, for the CICs there could be no room for dissent. Two questions flow from this fact. First, is Western-style democracy the panacea for Africa's woes? Obviously, in the case of Somalia it is not. The people of Somalia wanted law and order -- Islamic-style. Ethiopia has the pretense of some form of democracy, but its meddlesome interference in Somali affairs has alienated it from other countries in the predominantly Islamic Horn of Africa, and aroused the suspicions of Arab and Muslim nations. For a majority of the Somali people, the CICs encouraged the notion of order which was vastly preferable to the political chaos, uncertainty and licence to kill and loot that were the norm during the pre- CICs period. The CICs instituted law and order and, for the first time in Somalia's bloody contemporary history, a semblance of peace and political stability were instituted. And this has particular consequences for Somalia and the entire Horn of Africa. The second issue is whether military intervention US-style is the answer The pounding of Mogadishu by the Ethiopian army in which hundreds of Somalis were killed resulted in deep resentment of the Ethiopian military presence. Muscle-flexing and political violence have never sorted out anything in Somalia. Whatever goodwill the Ethiopians had as backers of the TFG is long gone and Somalis will surely demand good reasons for the result of this Ethiopian misadventure. There are many reasons to welcome the presence of AU peace-keeping troops in the war-battered Somali capital Mogadishu. Chief among them is that the sooner the Ethiopians are gone, the better. However, the TFG is incapable of beefing up its own security capabilities. This could lead to a dangerous outcome as warlords start tearing at each others throats all over again. The deeply fragmentary nature of the TFG that it displayed in Baidoa has remained intact, now that it is "governing" in Mogadishu. Ethiopian troops cannot indefinitely shield the incompetent and indecisive TFG. The bitterness of Somalis and their hatred of the Ethiopian military presence grows daily. Ethiopian Prime Minister Meles Zennawi is incapable of acknowledging that his aggression against Somalia has failed and that he must bring his defeated troops home. Already there is widespread desertion among Ethiopian troops in Somalia and even Ethiopians fleeing to Yemen to avoid the draft. Moreover, the Ethiopian government fears and is trying to reach out to its alienated and restive ethnic Somali minority. The entire eastern wastelands of Ethiopia are inhabited by ethnic Somalis who have close clan and kinship ties with their fellow Somalis across the border. They have their own autonomous region, but they are on the whole a disgruntled lot. The CICs are bound to play a prominent part in Somali politics, even after their recent routing by the Ethiopians. The Ethiopians, for their part, must bow out gracefully if they are not to incur the wrath of Somalis any further. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Gamal Nkrumah is the son of the great Ghanian president and Pan-Africanist Kwame Nkrumah. Source:Al - Ahram

Nabadoonada Jasiirada Madhawaa oo siidaayey 4 Maxbuus oo kamid ahaa maleeshiyadii Beesha Gedo Kudhaa:- Kadib dadaal dheer oo ay galeen odayaasha Beesha [Afmadow] ee Waamo ayaa lagu siidaayey 4 maxbuus oo kamid ahaa maleeshiyo dhawaan weerar ku qaaday jasiirada Madhawaa. 4ta nin ayaa kamid ahaa 9 nin oo la sheegay in lagu dilay Jasiirada Madhawaa ee deegaanka Kudhaa degmada Badhaadhe ee gobalka J/hoose, kadib markii ay weerareen maleeshiyo kasoo jeeda beesha [Gedo] oo kasoo baxay Kismaayo. Dagaalkaasi oo dhacay todobaadkii tagay ayey ku dhinteen 3 qofood oo deegaanka kasoo jeeda halka maleeshiyada ka yimid Kismaayo ay ka dhinteen 5 nin halka 4na nolol looga qabtay kuwaasi oo wararkii horey usoo baxay ay sheegayeen in ay dhinteen. Nabadoonada Jasiirada Madhawaa ee Beesha reer [Puntland] ayaa siidaayey 4taasi nin ayadoo la sheegay in lagu wareejiyey odayaal ka socda beesha [Gedo]. Dhinaca kale waxaa magaalada Kismaayo labadii maalmood ee lasoo dhaafay ku dhintay labo nin oo kasoo jeeda beelaha [Waamo/Puntland]ee (----) labadaasi nin oo la sheegay in ay dileen kooxo ku sugan magaalada Kismaayo. Magaalada Kismaayo ayaa xalay lagu soo rogay Bandow ayadoo maleeshiyo beeleed kamid ah kuwa magaalada gacanta ku haya in ay arrintan doonayaan in ay wax uga qabtaan amni xumada magaalada Kismaayo ka jirta oo maalmihii lasoo dhaafay kasii dareysay. Maxamed Cabdi HorseedNet.com

^^Oo waa lagu gadaaman yahay reer Gedo miyaa? Belo. These folks are takin us back to early 1990kii iyo Jabhadihii isku gadaamey Xamar. Waxa aan ka akhrinayo maqaalka aad soo daabacdey, Dhubadow, haduu dhab yahay, waxay u ekaaneeysaa in goobasho meesha ka jirto. Allow sahal umuuraha.

Did you read the articles I posted? It is the articles, man. There is no rushing involved. Mise waxba ha sheegsheegin ayaad leedahay since you don't know cida laga reyn doono? I can understand your fears, Emperror. So, I will wait till the end, alright? Then we can comment on dhanka ka eryaday- Cayaari waa gelin dambe.

^^If Bokero knows anything about the issue of African integration, he would have known that this is the very idea of integration has cost us what is NFD and Western Somalia during the 1960s. When Kenyatta visited Mogadishu and the Somali primier welcomed him very cordially, at the same time raising the issue of the NFD, the reply we got was 'after the pan=African program was implimented'. We are still waiting- and as a result- our government's policy for Somali unification has been met with hostility in many African quaters. If anything, its that hostility that has made many African countries (for they harboured their own fears) to support Ethiopia/Kenya in their hell-bent scheme to destroy Somalia, which they did. Now, Bokero, the idealist or shall I say, the African Utopianist, believes integration is the way forward! Ofcourse, it can be the way forward... but as the bargain goes, what is in it for me? Will I get back NFD, Western Somalia, and would I be left alone to tend to my own national affairs? Hmm? I don' think so. So what is in it for me as a Somali?