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Its amusing hearing Somalis say we're Kenyans. Claiming to be the same people who raped your mothers and grandmothers, and continue to bully and make mince meat of your poor Somali brothers and sisters in Somalia and Kenya. That's what a Kenyan means.

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Baashi   

One more reason why Somaliweyn platform makes perfect sense. Insha'Allah there will be a time in the near future when the Somali state play its historic role of championing the rights of all Somalis in the region wherever they are. I believe Somalia have a compelling and vested interest in the wellbeing of Somalis in Ethiopia and Kenya. Not to mention economic (water) and security interest in the territories they occupy.

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Cadale   

Baashi;986569 wrote:
One more reason why
Somaliweyn
platform makes perfect sense. Insha'Allah there will be a time in the near future when the Somali state play its historic role of championing the rights of all Somalis in the region wherever they are. I believe Somalia have a compelling and vested interest in the wellbeing of Somalis in Ethiopia and Kenya. Not to mention economic (water) and security interest in the territories they occupy.

Well said Brother.

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Wadani   

Illeen Soomaalidu waa dadka caabiidnimada ugu nugul. Kenya waxa ay u gaysatay dadkeena waa uur ku taalo aan la ilaabin karin oo runtii tiiraanyo iyo murugoba igu reebtay. Balse waxa taa igaga daran dadkan dilka,boobka, jidh-dilka iyo kufsiga loo gaystay iyaga iyo dumarkoodaba haddana Kenyaanimo ku ooyaya. Halka ay aar goosasho iyo gobanimo ka fikiri lahaayeen ayay geedka gunnimada hoostii hadhsadeen. Uff!! Wallee inaydaan u qalmin maal iyo naf midna in la idiin huro.

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Wadani;986621 wrote:
Illeen Soomaalidu waa dadka caabiidnimada ugu nugul. Kenya waxa ay u gaysatay dadkeena waa uur ku taalo aan la ilaabin karin oo runtii tiiraanyo iyo murugoba igu reebtay. Balse waxa taa igaga daran dadkan dilka,boobka, jidh-dilka iyo kufsiga loo gaystay iyaga iyo dumarkoodaba haddana Kenyaanimo ku ooyaya. Halka ay aar goosasho iyo gobanimo ka fikiri lahaayeen ayay geedka gunnimada hoostii hadhsadeen. Uff!! Wallee inaydaan u qalmin maal iyo naf midna in la idiin huro.

The irony makes me laugh. This coming from someone who lives with the white man, holds his passport proudly; the very same white man who did much worse to Somali people, and still does.

 

Plus remember, it was your uncle who sold out the NFD movement to the Kenyan government, leaving the people to be brutally quelled by Kenyatta.

 

Look in the mirror and say "uff", because it's you who rightly deserves it.

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Wadani;986621 wrote:
Illeen Soomaalidu waa dadka caabiidnimada ugu nugul. Kenya waxa ay u gaysatay dadkeena waa uur ku taalo aan la ilaabin karin oo runtii tiiraanyo iyo murugoba igu reebtay. Balse waxa taa igaga daran dadkan dilka,boobka, jidh-dilka iyo kufsiga loo gaystay iyaga iyo dumarkoodaba haddana Kenyaanimo ku ooyaya. Halka ay aar goosasho iyo gobanimo ka fikiri lahaayeen ayay geedka gunnimada hoostii hadhsadeen. Uff!! Wallee inaydaan u qalmin maal iyo naf midna in la idiin huro.

These people have no one that supports them the reason they were butchered was because they wanted to break away now that they dropped their secession aspirations and integrated into Kenyan society the persecution was minimized even though shabab continues to be a threat and Some Somalis are blamed for what shabaab does. The Kenyan Somalis situation was very difficult in the 60s the Somali republic was a regional player and the Kenyans feared Somalis . Now that the former Somali republic had dropped claiming parts of Kenya parts of Ethiopia and that Somalia and Somaliland went their separate ways. The Kenyan Somalis integrated into the Kenyan Society there is no other option why should they fight to free themselves from Kenya for what to be Killed and harassed they need peace.

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Apophis;986624 wrote:
The irony makes me laugh. This coming from someone who lives with the white man, holds his passport proudly; the very same white man who did much worse to Somali people, and still does.

 

Plus remember, it was your uncle who sold out the NFD movement to the Kenyan government, leaving the people to be brutally quelled by Kenyatta.

 

Look in the mirror and say "uff", because it's you who rightly deserves it.

 

 

Waryaa why do you sound like disgruntled African American

Somalis killed more Somalis than Europeans killing Somalis , why do Somalis like to blame Europeans Arabs any one but themselves

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Wadani   

Apophis;986624 wrote:
The irony makes me laugh. This coming from someone who lives with the white man, holds his passport proudly; the very same white man who did much worse to Somali people, and still does.

 

Plus remember, it was your uncle who sold out the NFD movement to the Kenyan government, leaving the people to be brutally quelled by Kenyatta.

 

Look in the mirror and say "uff", because it's you who rightly deserves it.

Ur mixing apples with oranges with the white man comparison. When has Canada commited state sactioned atrocities against Somalis on a large scale? And if ur refering to British occupation, u know full the Brits had a light handed Colonial approach and left the wild nomadic clans to their own devices for the most part. As for Ciqaal, I cannot bear the burden for his political misteps on account of sharing the same clan, nor will I overlook look them either for the same reason.

 

It's not their subjugation by a stronger power that I fault my brothers in NFD, it's their unabashed display of stockholm syndrome and pining for acceptance by their 'benevolent' Kikuyu 'masters'.

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Wadani   

Xaaji Xunjuf;986631 wrote:
These people have no one that supports them the reason they were butchered was because they wanted to break away now that they dropped their secession aspirations and integrated into Kenyan society the persecution was minimized even though shabab continues to be a threat and Some Somalis are blamed for what shabaab does. The Kenyan Somalis situation was very difficult in the 60s the Somali republic was a regional player and the Kenyans feared Somalis . Now that the former Somali republic had dropped claiming parts of Kenya parts of Ethiopia and that Somalia and Somaliland went their separate ways. The Kenyan Somalis integrated into the Kenyan Society there is no other option why should they fight to free themselves from Kenya for what to be Killed and harassed they need peace.

If indeed their claims of being Kenyan are nothing more than pragmatic political subterfuge to ward off further massacres from the Kikuyu more power to them, because unfortunately you're right about them not having anyone in their corner. But if they really feel a connection with the same state that has relegated them to a subhuman existence then everything I wrote above applies to them.

 

I will choose to believe that it's as u say it is Xaaji, because I like to believe in the resiliency of Somali pride and identity. To my NFD brothers and sisters I wish u guul iyo gobanimo, and I apologize if I have offended anyone.

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Khayr   

I don't get the mentatilty of people who are oppressed in another land and still call themselves as equals to their oppressors.

You are not Kenyan and will never be. You are a Somali that has for generations lived in Kenya.

 

This goes for any Somali that has lived in Ethiopia for generations or in the States.

 

This Stockholm syndrome must stop!

 

That documentary was emotional.

I felt like the former minister and the faat aszz policeman were real goons.

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Khayr;986649 wrote:
I don't get the mentatilty of people who are oppressed in another land and still call themselves as equals to their oppressors.

You are not Kenyan and will never be. You are a Somali that has for generations lived in Kenya.

 

This goes for any Somali that has lived in Ethiopia for generations or in the States.

 

This Stockholm syndrome must stop!

 

That documentary was emotional.

I felt like the former minister and the faat aszz policeman were real goons.

 

I think part of the problem is an identity crisis. Some people think that having a passport of particular nation will make them members of that nation. Such people are naive. Identity is a complex issue. As you, khayr, noted in another thread Somalis will be victims until they realize what side they are on. In other words, we have to determine our identity. We have been bestowed with the best of identities, that of the believers. Everything else is secondary. As such, I am hurt by the NFD reality on three levels. First, as fellow believers under the occupation of gaalo. Second, the pain the compounded by the fact that they look like me, talk like me, and dress like me. Third, that the oppression is occurring on a place where I have been and, IA, will be in the near future.

 

Until we realize that our identity is intricately tied to our religion, culture, language, geographical origin and, to some degree, the identity claimed by those who look like us, we shall remain fiddling with our reality.

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Apophis;986393 wrote:
Certainly not. There's no evidence you can present here which would show: all thought lead to words,action,habits and finally into character, as you imply in that sentence.

 

The way I see it, you (and others) are really finding the word problematic because of your "qurbo-joogness", where you've been taught, directly and indirectly, to act and think in a politically correct manner. The Horn, fortunately, does not suffer from that nonsense.

 

It is not the source of the medicine that matters. Rather, its ability to cure.

 

Sheikh Muhammad Abduh, a great Muslim scholar of the 19th century, once said: "I went to the West and saw Islam, but no Muslims; I gets back to the East and saw Muslims, but not Islam."

 

He meant that Muslim had the aqiidah but we were and continue to lack the adhaab (manners) of Al-Islam. Western folk may lack the aqiidah but their human to human interactions will leave little doubt that they have the adhaab.

 

We must strive for both.

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Haatu   

Wadani;986621 wrote:
Illeen Soomaalidu waa dadka caabiidnimada ugu nugul. Kenya waxa ay u gaysatay dadkeena waa uur ku taalo aan la ilaabin karin oo runtii tiiraanyo iyo murugoba igu reebtay. Balse waxa taa igaga daran dadkan dilka,boobka, jidh-dilka iyo kufsiga loo gaystay iyaga iyo dumarkoodaba haddana Kenyaanimo ku ooyaya. Halka ay aar goosasho iyo gobanimo ka fikiri lahaayeen ayay geedka gunnimada hoostii hadhsadeen. Uff!! Wallee inaydaan u qalmin maal iyo naf midna in la idiin huro.

You clearly don't understand. Kenya was an entity created by the British in 1963. Our land in the NEP is included in that entity. We affirm that this is our land and that makes us part of that entity, Kenyans if you like. As the brother said, Kenyans by geography.

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Haatu   

Khayr;986649 wrote:
I don't get the mentatilty of people who are oppressed in another land and still call themselves as equals to their oppressors.

You are not Kenyan and will never be. You are a Somali that has for generations lived in Kenya.

 

This goes for any Somali that has lived in Ethiopia for generations or in the States.

 

This Stockholm syndrome must stop!

 

That documentary was emotional.

I felt like the former minister and the faat aszz policeman were real goons.

You guys are mixing a lot of things. Our land is in Kenya and that makes us Kenyan citizens. We might not like it but it's a reality today. So, when Mohamed asks the question "are you Kenyan", he's really asking "do you see yourself as a Kenyan citizen" which goes without saying. Our identity on the other hand is obviously Somali.

 

As for you guys saying we ought to fight, ask yourselves "what good will it bring"?

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