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xiinfaniin;964521 wrote:
Rights to marry between two men ?, hell yes. Just like I would object the claim of right to marry a mother or daughter...

I don't understand why you keep pulling out the incest card, is it only same-sex incest that concerns you?

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^^It means more than that. After today's ruling, gay rights will be the norm not the exception. A precedent has been established.

 

I see a trend awoowe. I understand there are some states that have already crossed the Rubicon, mine included.

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Blackflash;964530 wrote:
I don't understand why you keep pulling out the incest card, is it only same-sex incest that concerns you?

Because those who support this thing argue for it on the basis of individual rights. Just to point out the nonsense

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xiinfaniin;964534 wrote:
Because those who support this thing argue for it on the basis of individual rights. Just to point out the nonsense

That's because most believe that a few abhorrent cases shouldn't be used as justification for denying the rights of many. The precedent for this case was set when laws regarding miscegenation were struck down and much of the arguments in support of the enactments mirrored your own.

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wyre   

ummadihii horee la halaagay, ummad walbaa hal ficil oo khaldan ayaa loo halaagi jiray, ummadaan ficiladii oo idil wey isku wada darsatay, haddey ahaan laheyd khaniisnimo, dhac, shirki iyo wixi kasoo haray, alla ilaahey naxariis badanaa, weli waa kuwan carada iska qulqulayo

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Blackflash;964541 wrote:
That's because most believe that a few abhorrent cases shouldn't be used as justification for denying the rights of many. The precedent for this case was set when laws regarding miscegenation were struck down and much of the arguments in support of the enactments mirrored your own.

Abhorrent is the notion of sleeping with your own sex , your attempt to defend the act is lame .

 

Are you contrarian ?

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wyre;964587 wrote:
^^he is atheist dee, wax fahan
:D

That is the problem with those with no values. I am not a puritan, but the notion of men doing other men is abhorrent to me, and it is not that much different than mother/son relationship ...

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xiinfaniin;964585 wrote:
Abhorrent is the notion of sleeping with your own sex , your attempt to defend the act is lame .

 

Are you contrarian ?

Of course sleeping with your own sex is abhorrent to you, just as it is to me, but what does gay sex have to do with marriage laws? Unless gays have a warped idea of what constitutes chastity, I don't see how this will have any impact on a gay person's sex life.

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As a Stalinist, I don't support these sort of backdoor shenanigans. The state should not be undermining the bedrock of society i.e, traditional family/values.

 

Xiin, I'm with you but from a different path.

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they have values Xinn. They may have different idea of equality, some would even suggest more logical then yours. Furthermore a clear majority of Americans are in Support:

 

 

May 20, 2013

In U.S., Record-High Say Gay, Lesbian Relations Morally OK

Americans' tolerance of a number of moral issues up since 2001

by Frank Newport and Igor Himelfarb

 

PRINCETON, NJ -- Americans' views toward a number of moral issues have shifted significantly since 2001. Their acceptance of gay and lesbian relations has increased the most, up 19 percentage points in the past 12 years -- to a record high of 59% today. Americans' tolerance toward having a baby outside of marriage is also now much greater, up 15 points since 2001, to the current 60%.

 

Change Over Time in Moral Acceptability of 20 Issues, 2011-2013

 

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Americans have also become significantly more accepting of sex between an unmarried man and woman, divorce, embryonic stem cell research, polygamy, and cloning humans. The only issue that Americans have become significantly less accepting of over the last 12 years is medical testing on animals.

 

These data are from Gallup's annual Values and Beliefs survey, most recently conducted May 2-7. Gallup has asked Americans about their views on many of these issues each May since 2001.

 

Americans' views of the moral acceptability of 10 of the 19 items Gallup asked about have not changed significantly over time, shifting less than five points since they were first measured.

 

A majority of Americans continue to say seven of the 19 items measured are morally wrong -- married men and women having an affair, cloning humans, polygamy, suicide, pornography, sex between teenagers (measured for the first time this year), and cloning animals. Attitudes toward two items -- doctor-assisted suicide and abortion -- are fairly evenly split, with less than half of Americans seeing each as either morally acceptable or morally unacceptable.

 

A majority of Americans see all other items included in the list this year as morally acceptable. Birth control tops the list as the most acceptable, seen as such by 91% of Americans, while having an extramarital affair is the least morally acceptable, at 6%.

 

Next, I'm going to read you a list of issues. Regardless of whether or not you think it should be legal, for each one, please tell me whether you personally believe that in general it is morally acceptable or morally wrong. How about -- [RANDOM ORDER]? May 2013 results

 

One of the interesting features of these trend data is Americans' steady and overwhelming disapprobation of married men and women having an affair, with more than nine in 10 continuing to say this is morally unacceptable, within two points of where it was in 2001. Having an affair thus remains at the bottom of the list of morally acceptable behaviors measured, as it was in 2001.

 

Implications

 

Americans have generally become more tolerant of a series of moral behaviors over the past 10-12 years. This trend is particularly evident in views of gay and lesbian relations and having a baby outside of wedlock.

 

Gay and lesbian relations in particular continue to be at the forefront of the news in the U.S. An increasing number of states have legalized same-sex marriage, and the Supreme Court has several pending decisions on same-sex marriage cases. This resulting increase in awareness of and attention being paid to the gay and lesbian community may be affecting Americans' views.

 

The change in attitudes toward having a baby outside of marriage may be an instance of attitudes following behavior, given recent Census Bureau data showing the increasing prevalence in American society of children born to mothers who are not married.

 

More broadly, Americans continue to evince a wide divergence of opinions about the moral acceptability of a number of behaviors. Americans are generally accepting of such things as birth control, divorce, embryonic stem cell research, gambling, sex between unmarried men and women, the death penalty, and having a baby outside of marriage. But they still disapprove of married men and women having an affair, cloning humans, polygamy, suicide, pornography, and teenagers having sex.

Survey Methods

 

Results for this Gallup poll are based on telephone interviews conducted May 2-7, 2013, with a random sample of 1,535 adults, aged 18 and older, living in all 50 U.S. states and the District of Columbia.

 

For results based on the total sample of national adults, one can say with 95% confidence that the margin of sampling error is ±3 percentage points.

 

Interviews are conducted with respondents on landline telephones and cellular phones, with interviews conducted in Spanish for respondents who are primarily Spanish-speaking. Each sample of national adults includes a minimum quota of 50% cellphone respondents and 50% landline respondents, with additional minimum quotas by region. Landline telephone numbers are chosen at random among listed telephone numbers. Cellphone numbers are selected using random digit dial methods. Landline respondents are chosen at random within each household on the basis of which member had the most recent birthday.

 

Samples are weighted to correct for unequal selection probability, nonresponse, and double coverage of landline and cell users in the two sampling frames. They are also weighted to match the national demographics of gender, age, race, Hispanic ethnicity, education, region, population density, and phone status (cellphone only/landline only/both, cellphone mostly, and having an unlisted landline number). Demographic weighting targets are based on the March 2012 Current Population Survey figures for the aged 18 and older U.S. population. Phone status targets are based on the July-December 2011 National Health Interview Survey. Population density targets are based on the 2010 census. All reported margins of sampling error include the computed design effects for weighting.

 

In addition to sampling error, question wording and practical difficulties in conducting surveys can introduce error or bias into the findings of public opinion polls.

 

View methodology, full question results, and trend data.

 

For more details on Gallup's polling methodology, visit www.gallup.com.

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