TACSI Thread AUN/R.I.P

[DoctorKenney]

xabad;935845 wrote:

+1, you make excellent points Doctor. socialism makes no sense to me.

These people want their lives to be controlled saaxib.

 

They want the "all-powerful" Leader to control the economy and tell people what to produce, who to hire, what prices their products should be. It's ridiculous.

[SomaliPhilosopher]

Doctor, much of your arguments are tedious

[Safferz]

DoctorKenney;935850 wrote:

None of it was neoliberal policies. Africa has

stagnated

in the last 50 years.

 

Compare Botswana to Zimbabwe. Which country is richer and more prosperous?

 

Botswana had more open markets and a freer economy, and they are VERY rich by African standards.

lol okay, you're in some sort of parallel universe if you don't consider World Bank and IMF policies neoliberal restructuring, which has had an absolutely devastating effect on the entire continent. Bringing up one country that is an arguable exception to that doesn't change what it's meant for the vast majority of African states. I work with researchers who study Botswana and the picture there isn't as rosy as you seem to think. What's universal healthcare when there is only one cancer ward in the entire country and people are sent home to die?

[DoctorKenney]

Safferz;935863 wrote:

lol okay, you're in some sort of parallel universe if you don't consider World Bank and IMF policies neoliberal restructuring, which has had an absolutely devastating effect on the entire continent. Bringing up one country that is an arguable exception to that doesn't change what it's meant for the vast majority of African states. I work with researchers who study Botswana and the picture there isn't as rosy as you seem to think. What's universal healthcare when there is only one cancer ward in the entire country and people are sent home to die?

Again, I said by African standards, Botswana is very rich. What part of that don't you understand?

 

And BTW, I don't support the World Bank or the IMF. They're nothing more than leeches who are making Africa poorer.

 

Look at how Somalia has FAILED due to Siad Barre's socialism. We Somalis don't like being told what to do. We're an entrepreneurial people, and to have the President tell us how to conduct business will always fail. Always

 

You want to repeat that failed policy?

[xabad]

They you should go to north korea, cuba, venezuela et al. willful ignorance is irritating sometimes.

[xabad]

BWAHAHA :D:D:D , you lost me chief, salaam alaykum. next.

[DoctorKenney]

Apophis;935871 wrote:

Stalinism, Maoism and to a lesser extent, Leninism are all good alternatives to whatever DrKendol is espousing.

After Mao died, China adopted neo-liberal policies....and then they grew extremely fast.

 

Now China is the 2nd richest country in the world. These aren't theories, these are FACTS

 

Conclusion: You know nothing.

[Safferz]

DoctorKenney;935866 wrote:

Again, I said

by African standards

, Botswana is very rich. What part of that don't you understand?

 

And BTW, I don't support the World Bank or the IMF. They're nothing more than leeches who are making Africa poorer.

 

Look at how Somalia has FAILED due to Siad Barre's socialism. We Somalis don't like being told what to do. We're an entrepreneurial people, and to have the President tell us how to conduct business will always fail. Always

 

You want to repeat that failed policy?

There is no such thing as "by African standards," there are indicators for development that enable comparisons to be made across states and continents. It's true that Botswana is faring much better than its neighbours, but that isn't saying a whole lot.

 

And I've said nothing about "repeating failed policies" (and I'm not so narrow as to define socialism in terms of Barre's "socialism"), so put the strawman to rest. The discussion here is about neoliberalism and its human costs, particularly to us as Africans.

[Alpha Blondy]

SomaliPhilosopher;935861 wrote:

Doctor, much of your arguments are tedious

not just tedious but its as if he targets TACSI threads. he did the same with my Hugo Chavez is Dead thread and made the same economic arguments. inaar, ninkuu malaaha get's a kick from appraising the economic policies of the deceased?

 

p.s - Dr. Ken, please respect this TASCI thread.

[xabad]

He is just pulling your leg, who in their right mind even tries to make comparisons between the two systems. waa iska hadal

[Safferz]

DoctorKenney;935874 wrote:

After Mao died, China adopted neo-liberal policies....and then they grew extremely fast.

 

Now China is the 2nd richest country in the world. These aren't theories, these are FACTS

 

Conclusion: You know nothing.

The government of China nationalized industry and has complete and direct control over their economy, which is the type of governance you seem to take issue with above. And who knows nothing here?

[DoctorKenney]

Alpha Blondy;935877 wrote:

not just tedious but its as if he targets TACSI threads. he did the same with my

Hugo Chavez is Dead

thread and made the same economic arguments. inaar, ninkuu malaaha get's a kick from appraising the economic policies of the deceased?

 

p.s - Dr. Ken, please respect this TASCI thread.

Saaxib, I'm not attacking Thatcher at all though. Sure, I attacked Chavez.

 

But this is different.

[xabad]

Habar cadaan u bakhitday baa respect dadka leedahay. isu xishood. this is a new low even for you.

[DoctorKenney]

Safferz;935876 wrote:

There is no such thing as "by African standards," there are indicators for development that enable comparisons to be made across states and continents. It's true that Botswana is faring much better than its neighbours, but that isn't saying a whole lot.

 

And I've said nothing about "repeating failed policies" (and I'm not so narrow as to define socialism in terms of Barre's "socialism"), so put the strawman to rest. The discussion here is about neoliberalism and its human costs, particularly to us as Africans.

I agree, the World Bank and the IMF have done a lot of damage to Africans. I'm with you there.

 

But to claim neoliberalism is like the World Bank is like claiming all Socialists are like Stalin. Dishonest comparison

[xabad]

But those industries are inefficient and being propped up by the government. the chinese are currently privatizing their big public companies and banks. get up to date safferz.